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I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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It depends on how the Holy Spirit leads you.  It also depends on your level of spiritual maturity.

There's a guy here in the ward that was, believe it or not, saved in a non-denominational rock-n-rock CCM type church.  But after about 4 months, he started to see things in a different way.  He was growing in the Lord.  The Lord led him to an IFB church where he's been for years.

It's obvious to me that some people are in the church they are in out of rebellion.  So be it.

It's also obvious that some people are in solid Bible churches and are deader than a doornail. 

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I just felt like typing a lot of words.
 
Twisted said:
It depends on how the Holy Spirit leads you.  It also depends on your level of spiritual maturity.

There's a guy here in the ward that was, believe it or not, saved in a non-denominational rock-n-rock CCM type church.  But after about 4 months, he started to see things in a different way.  He was growing in the Lord.  The Lord led him to an IFB church where he's been for years.

It's obvious to me that some people are in the church they are in out of rebellion.  So be it.

It's also obvious that some people are in solid Bible churches and are deader than a doornail. 

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I just felt like typing a lot of words.

If you are growing in the LORD you will leave whatever church you are in and join an IFB church?  That is rich!


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owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Speaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]

Interesting question, and deserves a better answer that can be given shortly.

In theory, non-denominational churches don't have a hierarchy, and each church is (again, in theory), unique - this is supposed to what IFB churches are like.  However, man worship has crept into a lot of IFB churches, and may have crept into non-denominational churches as well.

The real evaluation of a church (of any stripe) is the Scripture.  Every believer should study the Scriptures and evaluate how the various churches in his area line up with the Scriptures.  We are commanded to attend church; we need it for the teaching as well as for the fellowship (Acts 2).

One of the big problems in America is that we get influenced by the "success syndrome" that pervades the business world -- we think that "successful" equals "good", and therefore a "successful" church - usually measured in numbers is therefore a good church. People who have "big" churches believe that they are doing something right and have conferences and symposiums on how do do things "right" in order to be "successful".

There are some things that I think should mark a Scriptural church... it should have Christians at all stages of spiritual life; it should have new-born Christians; it should have Christians who are young in the faith; it should have mature Christians, and Christians in between. If everyone in the church has been saved for 30 years or more, there is a problem; likewise, if the church has nothing but immature believers (say, saved less than 5 years), that's another red flag -- and I'm talking about an established church. If, as people begin to grow in the Lord, they leave, that's a red flag.

Furthermore, just because someone has been in a church 20 years does not mean that he is a mature Christian - some people attend church for 20 years and are still just a babe in Christ.

I think the pastor should be the overseer of the church according to the Scripture, but at the same time, he is not to be a dictator or a cult leader.  This seems to be a hard balance to achieve, but by the grace of God, some men do.

I'm sure that there are good non-denominational churches; however, my experience has been that that such churches tend to compromise standards and weaken over time.

 
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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Well.........maybe you are just stuck in your little FBCH/IFB box where you cannot believe that  any other church can be anything but questionable. Maybe some of us who think for ourselves have purposefully checked out, by going there, a non-dom church & found it refreshing, fresh, alive, on fire biblical preaching & teaching focused on Jesus rather than someone on a pedestal..............at least that is true for my family.

But then you did say..........."or go."
 
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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Willis Athey said:
Twisted said:
It depends on how the Holy Spirit leads you.  It also depends on your level of spiritual maturity.

There's a guy here in the ward that was, believe it or not, saved in a non-denominational rock-n-rock CCM type church.  But after about 4 months, he started to see things in a different way.  He was growing in the Lord.  The Lord led him to an IFB church where he's been for years.

It's obvious to me that some people are in the church they are in out of rebellion.  So be it.

It's also obvious that some people are in solid Bible churches and are deader than a doornail. 

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I just felt like typing a lot of words.

If you are growing in the LORD you will leave whatever church you are in and join an IFB church?  That is rich!

LOL!  I know you're not a moron, you just play one on the forum.

That's what *HE* did.  You or anyone else's mileage may vary.
 
Twisted said:
Willis Athey said:
Twisted said:
It depends on how the Holy Spirit leads you.  It also depends on your level of spiritual maturity.

There's a guy here in the ward that was, believe it or not, saved in a non-denominational rock-n-rock CCM type church.  But after about 4 months, he started to see things in a different way.  He was growing in the Lord.  The Lord led him to an IFB church where he's been for years.

It's obvious to me that some people are in the church they are in out of rebellion.  So be it.

It's also obvious that some people are in solid Bible churches and are deader than a doornail. 

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I just felt like typing a lot of words.

If you are growing in the LORD you will leave whatever church you are in and join an IFB church?  That is rich!

LOL!  I know you're not a moron, you just play one on the forum.

That's what *HE* did.  You or anyone else's mileage may vary.

Was it Exodus2016?


WAH
 
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".
 
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Wrong. Check your facts. PCA is NOT the church of DJT.  You really are touched in the head aren't you?  Did someone at FBCH molest you?  Get counseling dude.


WAH
 
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH
 
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA
 
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH
 
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH

Why are you not satisfied with your President being a member of your denomination? He didn't grab your presbytery elders yet?
 
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH

Why are you not satisfied with your President being a member of your denomination? He didn't grab your presbytery elders yet?

It only takes a minute amount of yeast, you know, to permeate an entire loaf of bread.  Trump is a degenerate and a black eye on our republic!



WAH
 
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH

Why are you not satisfied with your President being a member of your denomination? He didn't grab your presbytery elders yet?

It only takes a minute amount of yeast, you know, to permeate an entire loaf of bread.  Trump is a degenerate and a black eye on our republic!



WAH

But you voted for him.
 
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH

Why are you not satisfied with your President being a member of your denomination? He didn't grab your presbytery elders yet?

It only takes a minute amount of yeast, you know, to permeate an entire loaf of bread.  Trump is a degenerate and a black eye on our republic!



WAH

But you voted for him.

Nope. Gary Johnson.


WAH
 
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
TheRealJonStewart said:
Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

PCA is the church of Donald Trump, if you want to be associated with "grab em by the presbyterian".

Presbyterian Church (USA) is much different than Presbyterian Church (PCA) and everyone outside of your corner of West Virginia knows that!


WAH

Trump is PCA

Whatever you say. PCA actually practices Biblical church discipline so he must not be a member. Now if you said Trump was a Fundy, it would make sense. Nobody is held accountable for anything even when convicted in a court!  Hilarious and SAD.


WAH

Why are you not satisfied with your President being a member of your denomination? He didn't grab your presbytery elders yet?

It only takes a minute amount of yeast, you know, to permeate an entire loaf of bread.  Trump is a degenerate and a black eye on our republic!



WAH

But you voted for him.

Nope. Gary Johnson.


WAH

The Aleppo guy? Do you realize that the person in your photo isn't Willis Athey?
 
Walt said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Speaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]

Interesting question, and deserves a better answer that can be given shortly.

In theory, non-denominational churches don't have a hierarchy, and each church is (again, in theory), unique - this is supposed to what IFB churches are like.  However, man worship has crept into a lot of IFB churches, and may have crept into non-denominational churches as well.

The real evaluation of a church (of any stripe) is the Scripture.  Every believer should study the Scriptures and evaluate how the various churches in his area line up with the Scriptures.  We are commanded to attend church; we need it for the teaching as well as for the fellowship (Acts 2).

One of the big problems in America is that we get influenced by the "success syndrome" that pervades the business world -- we think that "successful" equals "good", and therefore a "successful" church - usually measured in numbers is therefore a good church. People who have "big" churches believe that they are doing something right and have conferences and symposiums on how do do things "right" in order to be "successful".

There are some things that I think should mark a Scriptural church... it should have Christians at all stages of spiritual life; it should have new-born Christians; it should have Christians who are young in the faith; it should have mature Christians, and Christians in between. If everyone in the church has been saved for 30 years or more, there is a problem; likewise, if the church has nothing but immature believers (say, saved less than 5 years), that's another red flag -- and I'm talking about an established church. If, as people begin to grow in the Lord, they leave, that's a red flag.

Furthermore, just because someone has been in a church 20 years does not mean that he is a mature Christian - some people attend church for 20 years and are still just a babe in Christ.

I think the pastor should be the overseer of the church according to the Scripture, but at the same time, he is not to be a dictator or a cult leader.  This seems to be a hard balance to achieve, but by the grace of God, some men do.

I'm sure that there are good non-denominational churches; however, my experience has been that that such churches tend to compromise standards and weaken over time.
Lol@ "according to scripture"

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Willis Athey said:
owen_miller said:
I hope this isn't too general, but I was thinking about What are some good reasons not to go (or go) to a non-denominational (or any other denomination besides IFB honestly) church? [Soeaking as a frequent attender of FBCH]


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I would read "9 Marks of a Healthy Church" in order to get your framework right. Make sure any church you choose holds to the authority of the Word and is ruled by a plurality of elders. Plenty of solid non-denominational and PCA churches that fit this mold.


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Exactly.

I had to laugh at the ridiculous claim that a pastor is THE overseer "according to scripture".

Talk about cult...

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