Psalm 12 and KJVO misuse

rsc2a said:
Thinking about this...

"bibleprotector" understands this passage to be saying God has preserved the Scripture.  Given his moniker,  isn't "bibleprotector" seeing himself equal to God? :-D

It is like how God preserved the Jews. He has instruments of Providence.

Es 4:14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this?
 
FSSL said:
a Protestant approach to interpretation ... error of multiple meanings?

Here are folks from your own side:

B. Ramm, in PROTESTANT Biblical Interpretation, says, "There is the possibility of multiple fulfilment."

A. Pink, who wrote, "Even if it were true that the grammatical meaning of a verse be only one, nevertheless it may have a double reference, as is certainly the case with some of the prophecies in Holy writ, which possess a major and a minor fulfilment."
 
And you are that self-appointed instrument?

Talk about illusions of grandeur...
 
I'm not the one calling myself a bible protector...
 
"My side"??? No sir. That is your side. You are grasping from anything you can get your hands on. Your interpretations are capricious and seek multiple meanings. You have learned well from Roman Catholicism!

"'Come in, -- come in! and know me better, man!" You misrepresent Bernard Ramm... He DID teach that a single passage has a single meaning: "“But here we must remember the old adage: ‘Interpretation is one, application is many.’ " His statement on multiple fulfillments has no bearing on a single passage having a singular meaning.

Here is a journal article consistent with Protestant tradition and my understanding: http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj12c.pdf
 
FSSL said:
"My side"??? No sir. That is your side. You are grasping from anything you can get your hands on. Your interpretations are capricious and seek multiple meanings.

Not at all, my side, the Protestant side, is structured and believes in a high view of Scripture, so that the pattern of multiple senses will be very rigid in formation.

FSSL said:
You have learned well from Roman Catholicism!

That's mere rhetoric, whereas, there is a direct and definite link between your views and Infidelity.

FSSL said:
"'Come in, -- come in! and know me better, man!" You misrepresent Bernard Ramm... He DID teach that a single passage has a single meaning: "“But here we must remember the old adage: ‘Interpretation is one, application is many.’ " His statement on multiple fulfillments has no bearing on a single passage having a singular meaning.

There are in fact a large variety of different views of how and how much there are multiple meanings. The point is that Ramm is someone from YOUR side, who at least does not limit Scripture to just one and only one fulfilment. I have whole quotes from Ramm and others in my book on this subject.

FSSL said:
Here is a journal article consistent with Protestant tradition and my understanding: http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj12c.pdf

And yet, your own side admits that there are many others, on your own side, who do not take a singularist view.

The MacArthurite view is far too narrow and wooden, and ironically gives credence to a doubtful view of Scripture (and yet MacArthur and his pals think that they are able to stand up for the inerrancy and infallibility of Scripture as great witnesses, when they have such meagre views on Scripture).

I have answered and addressed R. L. Thomas' modernism and improper approach in my book on the subject.

Sadly, you are opting for a view which seeks to explain away so much of the Scripture, to lock away so much of the proper teaching of Scripture by your modernistic, one meaning onlyism.

The problem is that your specific part of the spectrum of your side uses dishonest propaganda against everyone else, accusing all and sundry of being as guilty as an Alexandrian, and susceptible to wild allegoricalism.

Notice that R. L. Thomas' foundation is also not a Gospel-based understanding, for he claims that interpretations not conforming to a MacArthurist view, and variety of interpretations, must all be the work of Satan. He says, "The entrance of sin in Genesis 3 brought a confusion in this area that has continued ever since."

Whereas, a Gospel based understanding says that proper understanding is the work of God, and is possible and resolvable by the Spirit.

What R. L. Thomas is actually advocating is the modernistic adage that men cannot attain to knowledge of the perfect (which is why Infidelity is the key component behind the attack on the KJB).

Anyway, I address all this and related issues in my book, Multiple Fulfilments of Bible Prophecy by Matthew Verschuur.
 
FSSL said:
Here is a journal article consistent with Protestant tradition and my understanding: http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj12c.pdf

You are therefore advocating a single meaning in Genesis chapters 1, 2 and 3?

So, when God said, in Gen. 1:3, Let there be light, you think it only means the scientific meaning, and no bearing on Gospel knowledge manifest through creation?

And when God told Adam and Eve about the seed crushing the head of the serpent, how do you interpret that with only one single meaning?

Was the seed the line of Seth? The line of Shem? Abraham's? David's? Was it Christ Jesus? Or was it all after the order of the sons of God, in whom Christ lives too?

And was the serpent Satan alone, or His entire kingdom?

Your "single" view is as incorrect as a magisterium sole-authority view.
 
bibleprotector said:
You are therefore advocating a single meaning in Genesis chapters 1, 2 and 3?

Start a new thread... you are avoiding Psalm 12.7
You have YET to give an exegetical position.

Your "single" view is as incorrect as a magisterium sole-authority view.

Last time I checked... I am not the one who calls myself an "apostle" and sole "protector" of the Bible
 
FSSL said:
you are avoiding Psalm 12.7
You have YET to give an exegetical position.

I have given the interpretation, which is not the unbelieving "exegetical" method based on your modernistic hermenutics. Because I don't use your side's Infidel-influenced approach, you pretend that I have not given an overview of the meaning of Psalm 12, as though unless I give one according to your flawed and unbelieving method, I have said nothing at all.

FSSL said:
Last time I checked... I am not the one who calls myself an "apostle" and sole "protector" of the Bible

This is fake, because I also have not called myself "apostle", not claimed to be SOLE protector of the Bible.
 
bibleprotector said:
rsc2a said:
I'm not the one calling myself a bible protector...

That sounds like you are admitting to be a Bible doubter.

You really have reading comprehension problems,  don't you?
 
rsc2a said:
bibleprotector said:
rsc2a said:
I'm not the one calling myself a bible protector...

That sounds like you are admitting to be a Bible doubter.

You really have reading comprehension problems,  don't you?

How else can one interpret your mockery of the idea of protecting the Bible, but that it would imply that you wish to harm it, i.e. it sounds like you are admitting to be a Bible doubter. Disagreeing with me, a genuine believer, also gives me that idea too.
 
For your next trick,  are you going to nail yourself to a cross?
 
bibleprotector said:
FSSL said:
"My side"??? No sir. That is your side. You are grasping from anything you can get your hands on. Your interpretations are capricious and seek multiple meanings.

Not at all, my side, the Protestant side, is structured and believes in a high view of Scripture, so that the pattern of multiple senses will be very rigid in formation.

FSSL said:
You have learned well from Roman Catholicism!

That's mere rhetoric, whereas, there is a direct and definite link between your views and Infidelity.

FSSL said:
"'Come in, -- come in! and know me better, man!" You misrepresent Bernard Ramm... He DID teach that a single passage has a single meaning: "“But here we must remember the old adage: ‘Interpretation is one, application is many.’ " His statement on multiple fulfillments has no bearing on a single passage having a singular meaning.

There are in fact a large variety of different views of how and how much there are multiple meanings. The point is that Ramm is someone from YOUR side, who at least does not limit Scripture to just one and only one fulfilment. I have whole quotes from Ramm and others in my book on this subject.

FSSL said:
Here is a journal article consistent with Protestant tradition and my understanding: http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj12c.pdf

And yet, your own side admits that there are many others, on your own side, who do not take a singularist view.

The MacArthurite view is far too narrow and wooden, and ironically gives credence to a doubtful view of Scripture (and yet MacArthur and his pals think that they are able to stand up for the inerrancy and infallibility of Scripture as great witnesses, when they have such meagre views on Scripture).

I have answered and addressed R. L. Thomas' modernism and improper approach in my book on the subject.

Sadly, you are opting for a view which seeks to explain away so much of the Scripture, to lock away so much of the proper teaching of Scripture by your modernistic, one meaning onlyism.

The problem is that your specific part of the spectrum of your side uses dishonest propaganda against everyone else, accusing all and sundry of being as guilty as an Alexandrian, and susceptible to wild allegoricalism.

Notice that R. L. Thomas' foundation is also not a Gospel-based understanding, for he claims that interpretations not conforming to a MacArthurist view, and variety of interpretations, must all be the work of Satan. He says, "The entrance of sin in Genesis 3 brought a confusion in this area that has continued ever since."

Whereas, a Gospel based understanding says that proper understanding is the work of God, and is possible and resolvable by the Spirit.

What R. L. Thomas is actually advocating is the modernistic adage that men cannot attain to knowledge of the perfect (which is why Infidelity is the key component behind the attack on the KJB).

Anyway, I address all this and related issues in my book, Multiple Fulfilments of Bible Prophecy by Matthew Verschuur.

Well there you go again hawking your book.

There is every reason to believe your book is as poorly reasoned and written as your many vacuous screeds in this forum.

If one can not abide your writing here what is there to make one believe your book is one wit an improvement?
 
bibleprotector said:
This is fake, because I also have not called myself "apostle", not claimed to be SOLE protector of the Bible.

Don't you wonder why you have a credibility issue?

“The seven particular variations in the Pure Cambridge Edition were examined, judged and resolved by the Elders of Victory Faith Centre, operating under a divine ordination and apostolic ministry as guardians of the pure Word.”
 
FSSL said:
bibleprotector said:
This is fake, because I also have not called myself "apostle", not claimed to be SOLE protector of the Bible.

Don't you wonder why you have a credibility issue?

“The seven particular variations in the Pure Cambridge Edition were examined, judged and resolved by the Elders of Victory Faith Centre, operating under a divine ordination and apostolic ministry as guardians of the pure Word.”

Henry Morris was apostolic in raising up creationism. Are you going to attack him now because he did that? (Especially if a person thinks that six day young earth creation is wrong.) Are you just offended at the use of the word "apostolic"?
 
That's funny... I have never heard Henry Morris suggest, even slightly, that he had apostolic authority.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that you have apostolic authority.
 
It must be true because he said it and he's an apostle.  ;)
 
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