President Jimmy Carter - RIP

Ransom said:
Not directly. But the remark was one of his missteps during the only 1980 debate in which he and Reagan faced off (famously also the one in which Reagan first used his "There you go again" catchphrase, and in his closing speech asked whether Americans felt better off than four years earlier). He lost the debate badly, and Reagan surged ahead of him in the polls afterward--and then Carter lost the election badly, and that ended his career.

I think more concrete issues contributed more to his downfall--foreign policy, the economy, gas lines, the Iran hostage crisis--so Amy Carter's opinions on nukeyer proliferation weren't the thing that cost him his career. But it was a thing.
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I belonged to no party until Carter was president and I had to stand in the gas lines... Guess which party I chose.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:

Jimmy Carter embodied the ‘road not taken’ by many White evangelical Christians​

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Jimmy Carter embodied the ‘road not taken’ by many White evangelical Christians | CNN

As the world pays homage to former President Jimmy Carter, some people overlook a primary source of inspiration for his politics: his distinctive brand of White evangelical Christianity, which remains hidden from most Americans.
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Anything specific you would target for commentary within that article?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Anything specific you would target for commentary within that article?
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I think I pretty much knew about everything in the article, but I wasn’t familiar with the progressive element of the SBC in the 60s and 70s:

He (Carter) does represent the road not taken by the denomination,” Ammerman says. “Through the ’60s and the ‘70s, the (Southern Baptist) denomination had been moving into a more progressive direction.”

Additionally, I found it interesting that Carter may have single-handedly mixed politics and religion in an open manner in modern America for the first time:

It was Carter, though, who is arguably more responsible than any modern politician for rousing White evangelicals from their political hibernation. When he successfully ran for president in 1976, he introduced evangelical terms like “born again” into political discourse and talked openly about his faith in a way that no modern politician had before.

No other president had spoken publicly about his “personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” confessed in a famous magazine interview that “I’ve committed adultery in my heart many times,” and vowed that he would never lie to the American people.
 
"Carter revealed an inordinate confidence in how he personally felt and how he personally imagined Jesus—while rejecting the clear teachings of Scripture."
(Emphasis mine.)

From Al Mohler's article.
 
abcaines said:
"Carter revealed an inordinate confidence in how he personally felt and how he personally imagined Jesus—while rejecting the clear teachings of Scripture."
(Emphasis mine.)

From Al Mohler's article.
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I think Carter ended up in political no-man’s land. He was shunned by many on the Left for being too conservative, and he was shunned by many on the Right for being too liberal. Some of his adopted more radical views didn’t really appear in his life until he was advanced well into his 90s. I take some of those views with a grain of salt given his extremely advanced age and would question his mental acuity at that point in life (just pure speculation on my part). BTW, the same can be viewed as true of the Bush and Cheney families: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-h-w-bush-serves-witness-same-sex-wedding-flna8c11263561
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I think I pretty much knew about everything in the article, but I wasn’t familiar with the progressive element of the SBC in the 60s and 70s:

He (Carter) does represent the road not taken by the denomination,” Ammerman says. “Through the ’60s and the ‘70s, the (Southern Baptist) denomination had been moving into a more progressive direction.”

Additionally, I found it interesting that Carter may have single-handedly mixed politics and religion in an open manner in modern America for the first time:

It was Carter, though, who is arguably more responsible than any modern politician for rousing White evangelicals from their political hibernation. When he successfully ran for president in 1976, he introduced evangelical terms like “born again” into political discourse and talked openly about his faith in a way that no modern politician had before.

No other president had spoken publicly about his “personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” confessed in a famous magazine interview that “I’ve committed adultery in my heart many times,” and vowed that he would never lie to the American people.
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I know several people who admire Carter for his humanitarian kindness, but that sort of advocacy for what people often term "social justice" seems to be missing the mark in regards to the way Christianity has been defined and practiced for centuries.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I know several people who admire Carter for his humanitarian kindness, but that sort of advocacy for what people often term "social justice" seems to be missing the mark in regards to the way Christianity has been defined and practiced for centuries.
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Which views of Carter’s would you consider social justice?
 
4everfsu said:
I belonged to no party until Carter was president and I had to stand in the gas lines... Guess which party I chose.
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it was obama and the comination of the gay marriage issue plus what he did to health care that finally pushed me to vote only republican.... either one of those 2 things alone would have pushed me away from anything democrat... but both of those things together gauranteed i would stay away from them...
 
President Carter’s term as President was horrible due to his policies and lack of competence!
In many ways, it was like the Biden presidency…just not a lot of ‘good’ there.

As to his Christian profession, one day we will know for sure.
 
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Jason Carter: “My grandfather sang of the goodness of God”

 
Meanwhile, they sang that atheistic anthem, "Imagine." I've heard this at so many ostensibly "Christian" services iby now, I wonder if they're not just rubbing our noses in it.
 
Ransom said:
Meanwhile, they sang that atheistic anthem, "Imagine." I've heard this at so many ostensibly "Christian" services iby now, I wonder if they're not just rubbing our noses in it.
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I never knew it was considered the anthem for atheists. That’s unfortunate because it’s a beautiful song.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I never knew it was considered the anthem for atheists. That’s unfortunate because it’s a beautiful song.
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Well, I said it was atheistic, but not necessarily a song for atheists.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky....
And no religion, too​


Well, RIP, Jimmy, whatever abyss you've fallen into.
 
Ransom said:
Well, I said it was atheistic, but not necessarily a song for atheists.

Imagine there's no heaven​
It's easy if you try​
No hell below us​
Above us, only sky....​
And no religion, too​


Well, RIP, Jimmy, whatever abyss you've fallen into.
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How many of you sang this in your head?! Time to 'fess up!!
 
Ransom said:
Well, I said it was atheistic, but not necessarily a song for atheists.

Imagine there's no heaven​
It's easy if you try​
No hell below us​
Above us, only sky....​
And no religion, too​


Well, RIP, Jimmy, whatever abyss you've fallen into.
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I feel quite confidently he’s not fallen into any abyss. He’s with God now. 😇
 
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