Preference or Biblical Standard

JustABigKid

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So I grew up hearing alot of preaching about somethings that were taught as Biblical Standard but in reality are simply preferences. I want to get a few comparisons from others. Short and simple remarks for each

Example:

Facial Hair - I find no where that this is a Biblical standard but simply a preference by some pastors for control over what people do.

Modest Appearal - I believe the Bible speaks alot about modest appearal not only for women but men as well. (Now I know this can be another issue in itself but not going there on this thread.) I believe modest appearal is a Biblical Standard now how far you take it is another story.

Any other comparisons?
 
The word "biblical standard" is kind of ironic.  There isn't any mention of "standards" in scripture.  Not so much as once.
When most IFB people talk about standards, they are usually referring to common sense applications of biblical principles.  If your church has an institution like a school or college, those principles have to become concrete rules.  But I think the word "standards" is toxic and should be avoided.  When I hear it, it brings back memories of hundreds of sermons growing up where the Bible was absent but standards were always mentioned.
Now, by most people's definition, our family has standards (my wife doesn't wear pants, no theatre, KJV, etc.) but I absolutely refuse to talk about it in the pulpit because there is no Bible on it.  I cover things like modest apparel or entertainment in the context of Bible passages, I never treat them as an end or subject unto themselves.
 
I don't believe in those kind of standards at all, except for what can directly be found in the Bible. It does commend modest dress, but IMO Paul is talking there more about avoiding extravagant displays of wealth in how one dresses for church more than anything else. And IMO sexual modesty in dress is completely culturally relative.

I'm not IFB, but Episcopalutheran (TEC & ELCA).
 
Most pastor instituted standards for members to follow off site are all about control. It is not the pastor's business if our family goes to the movies, if I am wearing shorts and a tank top, or if I have a bottle of wine in my shopping cart.

 
So maybe I didn't explain myself very well in the OP. I guess I slipped back into my growing up days of using the word standard. I know many of us on here have different beliefs about things so I want to hear them.

I am looking to see some comparisons of what you believe are preferences sometimes preached as biblical and things that you believe are biblical.

 
JustABigKid said:
So maybe I didn't explain myself very well in the OP. I guess I slipped back into my growing up days of using the word standard. I know many of us on here have different beliefs about things so I want to hear them.

I am looking to see some comparisons of what you believe are preferences sometimes preached as biblical and things that you believe are biblical.

Preferences:
No open toed shoes to be worn by ladies.
Have to ware panty hose outside the home.
Your hair can't touch your ears for men

wait, let me go get the OBC or Hyles or Providence handbook and type it all in straight from them.

on and on it goes.

As for Biblical, hmmmmmm have to think about that one for a while
 
Well, it's 84 here today, hotter than we Seattleites are used to, so I'm wearing a tank top, shorts and flip-flops. And if my pastor don't like it, tough.  :P

(Though I know he doesn't mind. I've worn similar outfits to church many times.)
 
Well, if you are looking for examples of things that are taught as Biblical truth but are actually preferences, here:

Music: Some preach that a beat is evil. That is a preference.

Bible Versions: Some believe only one is acceptable and twist the bible to teach it.  It is a preference.

Contraception: Some believe that the "Quiver full" is a command, whereas it is just an observation: It is a preference.

 
Torrent v.3 said:
Well, if you are looking for examples of things that are taught as Biblical truth but are actually preferences, here:

Music: Some preach that a beat is evil. That is a preference.

Bible Versions: Some believe only one is acceptable and twist the bible to teach it.  It is a preference.

Contraception: Some believe that the "Quiver full" is a command, whereas it is just an observation: It is a preference.

Thank you,

Exactly what I was looking for.
 
JustABigKid said:
So I grew up hearing alot of preaching about somethings that were taught as Biblical Standard but in reality are simply preferences. I want to get a few comparisons from others. Short and simple remarks for each

Example:

Facial Hair - I find no where that this is a Biblical standard but simply a preference by some pastors for control over what people do.

Modest Appearal - I believe the Bible speaks alot about modest appearal not only for women but men as well. (Now I know this can be another issue in itself but not going there on this thread.) I believe modest appearal is a Biblical Standard now how far you take it is another story.

Any other comparisons?

A biblical standard is something that is determined between you and God. Modesty is a principle in scripture and some think it should be determined by the culture but real Biblical modesty is truly counter-culture - it begins in the heart and expresses itself in the appearance - but it is not any particular type of clothing - a long dress for example can be considered very immodest.
 
AmazedbyGrace said:
Most pastor instituted standards for members to follow off site are all about control. It is not the pastor's business if our family goes to the movies, if I am wearing shorts and a tank top, or if I have a bottle of wine in my shopping cart.

Actually, it is your pastor's business, but most pastors take their responsibility to an unhealthy extreme. They'll be held accountable for how they oreached the whole counsel of God. They exceed their authority when they try and force their members to accept and act on their warnings if they want to be "right with God."

...for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
 
Liberty is a biblical principle. Church enforced "standards" violate this principle.

Home school/church school/public school is a good example of a choice to be made by the parents and the parents only. Sadly, many people feel that their choice is the one everyone else should also choose. This phenomena can come from any of these options. The home schoolers can't understand why anyone would trust their kids to another. Some church school advocates are convinced that this option should be mandatory for all church family members. Public school proponents argue that they are teaching their kids to be in the world but not of it. I say they are all absolutely correct. For themselves. As to what other parents choose? It's none of your business.
 
JustABigKid said:
So maybe I didn't explain myself very well in the OP. I guess I slipped back into my growing up days of using the word standard. I know many of us on here have different beliefs about things so I want to hear them.

I am looking to see some comparisons of what you believe are preferences sometimes preached as biblical and things that you believe are biblical.

The KJVO is preached as a standard when it is a preference.

Hair for men (off the ears and off the collar) is preached as a standard when it is a preference.

1700's music style is preached as a standard when it is a preference.

 
Citadel of Truth said:
AmazedbyGrace said:
Most pastor instituted standards for members to follow off site are all about control. It is not the pastor's business if our family goes to the movies, if I am wearing shorts and a tank top, or if I have a bottle of wine in my shopping cart.

Actually, it is your pastor's business, but most pastors take their responsibility to an unhealthy extreme. They'll be held accountable for how they oreached the whole counsel of God. They exceed their authority when they try and force their members to accept and act on their warnings if they want to be "right with God."

...for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


No, it is not.

"Watching for your souls" does not mean he gets to make me jump through the hoops of his personal opinions.
 
AmazedbyGrace said:
Citadel of Truth said:
AmazedbyGrace said:
Most pastor instituted standards for members to follow off site are all about control. It is not the pastor's business if our family goes to the movies, if I am wearing shorts and a tank top, or if I have a bottle of wine in my shopping cart.

Actually, it is your pastor's business, but most pastors take their responsibility to an unhealthy extreme. They'll be held accountable for how they oreached the whole counsel of God. They exceed their authority when they try and force their members to accept and act on their warnings if they want to be "right with God."

...for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


No, it is not my pastor's business.

"Watching for your souls" does not mean he gets to make me jump through the hoops of his personal opinions.
 
subllibrm said:
Liberty is a biblical principle. Church enforced "standards" violate this principle.

I love what you had to say about the schooling choices.  But on a scriptural basis, personal liberty is modified by consideration of others.  We are not to take personal liberty to an excess, disregarding our brethren.

Galatians 5:13  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1Cor 8:9  But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

A selfish view of certain liberties leads to ungodliness.  Above in Galatians 5:13, Paul directly warns of using such claims of freedom as opportunities to wicked practices.

Peter especially addresses this issue, making mention of it in both his epistles.  In the first, he cautions about using liberty to hide hatred of others instead of serving one another.

1Peter 2:16  As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

In the second, he warns of licentiousness being used as a bait.  Lack of restraint does not lead to true freedom, it takes you to the bondage of sin.

2Peter 2:19  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

When this subject comes up, invariably a lot is said by those who detest the idea of holiness or godliness about how little they actually care about what others may think.  That is a very selfish view.

Paul states that we should not be so much about our own pleasures, but endure the constraints on our liberties placed by those who are weaker.

Romans 15:1  We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

I suppose one of the most obnoxious "standards" to us is hair style.  Yet everyone who wants to cry, "foul!" when such issues are brought up ignore the fact that the Bible does have many things to say about hair, dress, what we eat or drink, and whom we marry.  In 1Cor 11, dealing with hair particularly, Paul's admonishment to those believers about their unusual hair style was based, in part, upon his own customs and that of other churches. (1Cor 11:16)

Since the Bible does deal with these subjects, it cannot be rightly claimed that they are in any way, "unbiblical."  Instead, we should be more interested in a proper understanding of what God expects of each of us through His word instead of a selfish attitude of "doing what I want."  It does not take much study to realize that the basis for convictions is to liberate the Christian from the bondage of the world and the power of sin, instead of granting us total freedom from the judgments or expectations of godly brethren.

Satan is a master at reversing perceptions, so that what is good becomes evil to us, or what is evil appears to be good.  When we appear more like the world so that there is no difference -- no separation can be detected between what is Christian and what is the ungodly, non-Christian society around us -- then Satan has succeeded, again.  Fussing and fighting about the specific details of separation, like a pharisee arguing about just exactly how many steps could be taken on the Sabbath day, is ignorant if you lose sight of the purpose.

Jude 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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