One of the Good Ones - Sold His Soul

[Bravo]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

Eddie is a stuffed shirt. There has been a young couple from fbch who grew up there and the father is a deacon, who have been attending where I do. I wonder.........
How does Mr. Ed know that all non-denominational churches have no rules and no standards? How does Mr. Ed know that none of them preach the gospel? Like so many other things they preach and teach; It just isn't true.

Ha! Like anything else Eddie says can be believed.

 

[prophet]

The response I am getting is - fear.  Fear of losing wealth (as if HAC payed anything more than minimum wage).  Fear of losing position (and the subsequent power and prestige).  Fear of losing praise of men (friends, authority figure, etc).

What about the Fear of the Lord?

Why were so many so willing to turn a blind eye?  Is this the same phenomenon we see in public, when abuse or crime is happening in public and so few are willing to step in?

Again, maybe the lower rank employees didn't really know what was going on.  But what about those that did - and stayed?  Isn't this the proverbial "selling out?"

I don't know if you implied this or not, but one thing must be added:
Fear of losing a church family.
When your out, your out.
Now, I know what our pastor in California advocated, and I detest this b/c it is wrong:
"If someone leaves the church, you're not to have any contact or fellowship with ex church members."
I don't teach that b/c it is flat wrong and un-Christian.
There is Scriptural mandate not to fellowship with tale-bearers, gossips and critics.
But it's not up to the pastor or anyone else in the church to say who you talk to or not.

But aside from this, when you separate from a church, there is a real sense of dislocation.
Even if everyone in that church treats the ex-church member like gold, there is still a sense of loss and dislocation.
To lose that is difficult, especially if you have a lot of your life invested in the church.
Life long friendships laboring together in the ministry seems for naught.
Weekly and daily fellowship is fractured.
The feeling that you would let your fellow brethren down.
If you have a family, that doubly compounds the complexity of the issue.
Now your wife and children have to leave friends and service in which they have invested their lives.
To the casual church attender, this all means nothing, but to dedicated Christians, it's a reality that stares them in the face and it's hard to just throw it all to the wind.
A church truly is a living organism and to amputate yourself from it sometimes seems unthinkable.
I am in that situation now.
For as many reasons as I can think of to leave my current church, I can think of almost as many reasons to stay.
I've given my sweat, my tears, my life to this place for 8 years now.
I love the people, we're actually friends, we're learning to be patient with each other, some of the people actually look up to me as their pastor.
Yet, I think it's time to leave and have good reasons to go.
But it's not that easy, is it?

But they're over there at Goddard's having Roast Turner, of course.

Anishinaabe

 

[16KJV11]

The response I am getting is - fear.  Fear of losing wealth (as if HAC payed anything more than minimum wage).  Fear of losing position (and the subsequent power and prestige).  Fear of losing praise of men (friends, authority figure, etc).

What about the Fear of the Lord?

Why were so many so willing to turn a blind eye?  Is this the same phenomenon we see in public, when abuse or crime is happening in public and so few are willing to step in?

Again, maybe the lower rank employees didn't really know what was going on.  But what about those that did - and stayed?  Isn't this the proverbial "selling out?"

I don't know if you implied this or not, but one thing must be added:
Fear of losing a church family.
When your out, your out.
Now, I know what our pastor in California advocated, and I detest this b/c it is wrong:
"If someone leaves the church, you're not to have any contact or fellowship with ex church members."
I don't teach that b/c it is flat wrong and un-Christian.
There is Scriptural mandate not to fellowship with tale-bearers, gossips and critics.
But it's not up to the pastor or anyone else in the church to say who you talk to or not.

But aside from this, when you separate from a church, there is a real sense of dislocation.
Even if everyone in that church treats the ex-church member like gold, there is still a sense of loss and dislocation.
To lose that is difficult, especially if you have a lot of your life invested in the church.
Life long friendships laboring together in the ministry seems for naught.
Weekly and daily fellowship is fractured.
The feeling that you would let your fellow brethren down.
If you have a family, that doubly compounds the complexity of the issue.
Now your wife and children have to leave friends and service in which they have invested their lives.
To the casual church attender, this all means nothing, but to dedicated Christians, it's a reality that stares them in the face and it's hard to just throw it all to the wind.
A church truly is a living organism and to amputate yourself from it sometimes seems unthinkable.
I am in that situation now.
For as many reasons as I can think of to leave my current church, I can think of almost as many reasons to stay.
I've given my sweat, my tears, my life to this place for 8 years now.
I love the people, we're actually friends, we're learning to be patient with each other, some of the people actually look up to me as their pastor.
Yet, I think it's time to leave and have good reasons to go.
But it's not that easy, is it?

But they're over there at Goddard's having Roast Turner, of course.

Anishinaabe

Still?  I have often wondered how many Foothill refugees had set up at Goddard's?

 

[prophet]

The response I am getting is - fear.  Fear of losing wealth (as if HAC payed anything more than minimum wage).  Fear of losing position (and the subsequent power and prestige).  Fear of losing praise of men (friends, authority figure, etc).

What about the Fear of the Lord?

Why were so many so willing to turn a blind eye?  Is this the same phenomenon we see in public, when abuse or crime is happening in public and so few are willing to step in?

Again, maybe the lower rank employees didn't really know what was going on.  But what about those that did - and stayed?  Isn't this the proverbial "selling out?"

I don't know if you implied this or not, but one thing must be added:
Fear of losing a church family.
When your out, your out.
Now, I know what our pastor in California advocated, and I detest this b/c it is wrong:
"If someone leaves the church, you're not to have any contact or fellowship with ex church members."
I don't teach that b/c it is flat wrong and un-Christian.
There is Scriptural mandate not to fellowship with tale-bearers, gossips and critics.
But it's not up to the pastor or anyone else in the church to say who you talk to or not.

But aside from this, when you separate from a church, there is a real sense of dislocation.
Even if everyone in that church treats the ex-church member like gold, there is still a sense of loss and dislocation.
To lose that is difficult, especially if you have a lot of your life invested in the church.
Life long friendships laboring together in the ministry seems for naught.
Weekly and daily fellowship is fractured.
The feeling that you would let your fellow brethren down.
If you have a family, that doubly compounds the complexity of the issue.
Now your wife and children have to leave friends and service in which they have invested their lives.
To the casual church attender, this all means nothing, but to dedicated Christians, it's a reality that stares them in the face and it's hard to just throw it all to the wind.
A church truly is a living organism and to amputate yourself from it sometimes seems unthinkable.
I am in that situation now.
For as many reasons as I can think of to leave my current church, I can think of almost as many reasons to stay.
I've given my sweat, my tears, my life to this place for 8 years now.
I love the people, we're actually friends, we're learning to be patient with each other, some of the people actually look up to me as their pastor.
Yet, I think it's time to leave and have good reasons to go.
But it's not that easy, is it?

But they're over there at Goddard's having Roast Turner, of course.

Anishinaabe

Still?  I have often wondered how many Foothill refugees had set up at Goddard's?

Me too.  He seemed so worried about it.  Wonder if it wasn't a very small deal.

Anishinaabe

 

[BALAAM]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

This comment by Mr. Ed is really sticking in my craw. FBCH and HB have something like a 5% - 10% success rate as far as students attending the church and going through the schools who still attend any kind ifb church if I understand correctly. Didn't DH grow up in fbc? Wasn't JS around fbch and hac for almost 40 years? What Mr. Ed says and what is actually true are 2 different things.

I also heard today that Mrs. Schaap has filed for divorce. Can't say that it is true but it is from a pretty high up individual.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

Eddie is a stuffed shirt. There has been a young couple from fbch who grew up there and the father is a deacon, who have been attending where I do. I wonder.........
How does Mr. Ed know that all non-denominational churches have no rules and no standards? How does Mr. Ed know that none of them preach the gospel? Like so many other things they preach and teach; It just isn't true.

Ha! Like anything else Eddie says can be believed.

I just know if, by chance, I am ever pastor at FBCH I'll have somebody else announce I am out due to illness.

 

[16KJV11]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

This comment by Mr. Ed is really sticking in my craw. FBCH and HB have something like a 5% - 10% success rate as far as students attending the church and going through the schools who still attend any kind ifb church if I understand correctly. Didn't DH grow up in fbc? Wasn't JS around fbch and hac for almost 40 years? What Mr. Ed says and what is actually true are 2 different things.

I also heard today that Mrs. Schaap has filed for divorce. Can't say that it is true but it is from a pretty high up individual.

Eddie has a lot of cajones to say tripe like that.

 

[fishinnut]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

This comment by Mr. Ed is really sticking in my craw. FBCH and HB have something like a 5% - 10% success rate as far as students attending the church and going through the schools who still attend any kind ifb church if I understand correctly. Didn't DH grow up in fbc? Wasn't JS around fbch and hac for almost 40 years? What Mr. Ed says and what is actually true are 2 different things.

I also heard today that Mrs. Schaap has filed for divorce. Can't say that it is true but it is from a pretty high up individual.

Eddie has a lot of cajones to say tripe like that.

He's been stuck in that place & stuck on it's ideologies all his life. Sad.....& he was best buds with Davey-boy Hyles. So he "knows" how ridiculous that kind of thinking & teaching really is.

 

[Gonefishin]

They are still trying to use fear. Pastor Wilkerson is away, speaking at a conference in California and visiting the mission team in Thailand. February has been decreed the month of the family, so in pastor's absence, men have been asked to speak who have successfully raised great families. (Successful meaning - their children all serve the Lord full-time and draw their paychecks from a church.)

All well and good, we heard from Bob Hooker for the Sunday morning service and then Pete Cowling for the Sunday evening services.

They were each pretty much as would be expected. Eddie Lapina always gives his own wrap-up after a guest speaker is finished. In his Sunday night wrap-up after Dr. Cowling, he said (as nearly as I can remember to word it exactly):

"Some of you have really been thrown by the events of the past year at this church. In my counseling I notice those that have been thrown the most are the young married couples. You've never had to go through anything like this before, you've never had anything bad happen. Now it has and you are shaken. I talked to a young couple just last week who decided they were going off to a non-denominational church. You know, no rules and no standards. It might seem like an easier way. But, I GUARANTEE, if you do that your children will be affected and your grandchildren will not even know the Lord as their Savior."

I thought it was interesting that he could GUARANTEE people's children would not turn out right unless they stayed at FBC, and he could GUARANTEE someone's grandchildren would not be saved unless they were at FBC.

And of course, he made these statements in his typical threatening and condescending tone.

This goes along with the "fear" theory that has been put forth by some on this thread. The indoctrination runs deep, and is multi-generational. We are the only ones who have the truth. Our standards preserve our holiness. The gospel is ours and ours alone. If you leave this place, you will be lost as will your family forever.

This comment by Mr. Ed is really sticking in my craw. FBCH and HB have something like a 5% - 10% success rate as far as students attending the church and going through the schools who still attend any kind ifb church if I understand correctly. Didn't DH grow up in fbc? Wasn't JS around fbch and hac for almost 40 years? What Mr. Ed says and what is actually true are 2 different things.

I also heard today that Mrs. Schaap has filed for divorce. Can't say that it is true but it is from a pretty high up individual.

Eddie has a lot of cajones to say tripe like that.

He's been stuck in that place & stuck on it's ideologies all his life. Sad.....& he was best buds with Davey-boy Hyles. So he "knows" how ridiculous that kind of thinking & teaching really is.

Eddie is a snake. He is like the KGB agent that knows so much that you have to keep him around.  You can't get rid of him he knows where all the dead bodies (former employees) are buried because he fired them. During the Schaap era he was one of the few whispering in Schaaps ear helping to decide what moves to make.  He was one of the few that knew where money was going.  His mind and philosophy has been warped by Schaap and his serve me and the church philosophy. I will use my people to build my church is now his philosophy.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Eddie is a snake. He is like the KGB agent that knows so much that you have to keep him around.  You can't get rid of him he knows where all the dead bodies (former employees) are buried because he fired them. During the Schaap era he was one of the few whispering in Schaaps ear helping to decide what moves to make.  He was one of the few that knew where money was going.  His mind and philosophy has been warped by Schaap and his serve me and the church philosophy. I will use my people to build my church is now his philosophy.

Eddie was warped long before the Schaap era.

 

[North]

Mrs. Schaap filing divorce? I heard that rumor last year and nothing came of it. Hope its not true.