One Lord, one faith, one baptism.....

What is the "one baptism" mentioned in Eph 4:5?

  • It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • It is the water baptism following a believers salvation

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Total voters
    5
Feel free to dunk yourself in the Jordan, I say. Just don't trivialize actual baptism by getting wet at every holy site you visit. Baptism isn't a vacation destination, or a wedding accessory, or any number of ridiculous things I've heard people get re-baptized for for no reason.
Exactly what I am trying to be mindful of! I believe that Presbys and Covenant Theology types would raise stronger objections to being "Re-Baptized" than would your typical "Baptist." I have heard a good number of Covenant Theologians on Refnet and although I disagree with their position, it brings a good bit of embarrassment when I think of Babtist preechers who "Dunk, Dunk, and Re-Dunk until they finally "get it."
 
Exactly what I am trying to be mindful of! I believe that Presbys and Covenant Theology types would raise stronger objections to being "Re-Baptized" than would your typical "Baptist." I have heard a good number of Covenant Theologians on Refnet and although I disagree with their position, it brings a good bit of embarrassment when I think of Babtist preechers who "Dunk, Dunk, and Re-Dunk until they finally "get it."
I've been dunked twice. In retrospect, the first time was all that was necessary although I rushed it. The second time was when I knew I was saved. I have more memories of the second time so I don't have any regrets going a second time.
 
I've been dunked twice. In retrospect, the first time was all that was necessary although I rushed it. The second time was when I knew I was saved. I have more memories of the second time so I don't have any regrets going a second time.
When I was baptized, I didn't really understand it either. I knew I was saved and that baptism didn't save me (although the "water dogs" up the road tried to convince me otherwise). No one really took the time to explain everything to me but I was saved and it was "Legit" so no "Do-Overs" for me!

My wife and I stopped by the Church I got baptized in a few years ago when we went through Millington, TN


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That's really the sign in front of the church where you were baptized? Why is the "We only use the KING JAMES BIBLE and our wimmin DON'T WEAR NO BREECHES" missing?




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I've been dunked twice. In retrospect, the first time was all that was necessary although I rushed it. The second time was when I knew I was saved. I have more memories of the second time so I don't have any regrets going a second time.

My elderly soulwinning partner (with the Lord now) had a serious moment of doubt at some point in his walk, and after spiritual consultation with the pastor about the state of his salvation, elected to get re-baptized. I get that, but, due to the sensitive nature of his doubts (and in light of the fact that he had been a long-standing member of the church who was known by the congregation to have already trusted the Lord and been scripturally baptized) he elected to be baptized by the pastor in the baptistry at a time when the church did not meet, just him and the preacher. Though I am more than conscientiously sensitive to discreet matters of personal faith, I'm still not completely sure that was the right way to go about that "re-assurance", particularly in light of my understanding as Baptism as an outward symbol of public profession and representation/identification with the local body.
 
That's really the sign in front of the church where you were baptized? Why is the "We only use the KING JAMES BIBLE and our wimmin DON'T WEAR NO BREECHES" missing?




;)
They changed their name since I was there. It used to be "Southside Baptist Church" and it was somewhere between "Bo-Jo" and "Ruckmanite" when I was there. They only used the King James Bible, Wimmen didn't wear britches, and men didn't wear denim (although they gave some slack to us Navy men who had limited wardrobes living in the barracks. My Sunday School teacher left the Church because they were too "Liberale" (He was a PBI grad).
 
My elderly soulwinning partner (with the Lord now) had a serious moment of doubt at some point in his walk, and after spiritual consultation with the pastor about the state of his salvation, elected to get re-baptized. I get that, but, due to the sensitive nature of his doubts (and in light of the fact that he had been a long-standing member of the church who was known by the congregation to have already trusted the Lord and been scripturally baptized) he elected to be baptized by the pastor in the baptistry at a time when the church did not meet, just him and the preacher. Though I am more than conscientiously sensitive to discreet matters of personal faith, I'm still not completely sure that was the right way to go about that "re-assurance", particularly in light of my understanding as Baptism as an outward symbol of public profession and representation/identification with the local body.
This does seem strange. Baptism is a PUBLIC PROFESSION and I believe therefore needs to include the congregation. It is not intended to give "Assurance" of salvation.
 
My elderly soulwinning partner (with the Lord now) had a serious moment of doubt at some point in his walk, and after spiritual consultation with the pastor about the state of his salvation, elected to get re-baptized. I get that, but, due to the sensitive nature of his doubts (and in light of the fact that he had been a long-standing member of the church who was known by the congregation to have already trusted the Lord and been scripturally baptized) he elected to be baptized by the pastor in the baptistry at a time when the church did not meet, just him and the preacher. Though I am more than conscientiously sensitive to discreet matters of personal faith, I'm still not completely sure that was the right way to go about that "re-assurance", particularly in light of my understanding as Baptism as an outward symbol of public profession and representation/identification with the local body.
So was this guy just “faking it” all those years, or did he just deep down really never have assurance? Stories like that…make you wonder….
 
So was this guy just “faking it” all those years, or did he just deep down really never have assurance? Stories like that…make you wonder….

That was privileged communication between a pastor and parishoner, so I never tried to get any in depth info. My speculation was that he wasn't sure that the first time that he got baptized that he had been actually saved prior to the baptism, and that at sometime after the first baptism he got actually saved.
 
That was privileged communication between a pastor and parishoner, so I never tried to get any in depth info. My speculation was that he wasn't sure that the first time that he got baptized that he had been actually saved prior to the baptism, and that at sometime after the first baptism he got actually saved.
Oh gotcha. I misunderstood what you wrote.
 
Hey, a little off topic here but pertinent nonetheless. What about those who take trips to the "Holy Land" and get "Re-Baptized in the Jordan River" just for the experience of being baptized where Jesus was baptized?

Is this something that is acceptable or at least excusable? Serious question as I may be taking a trip to Israel next year and may be facing this dilemma personally. I think the "Experience" would be really cool but I am concerned about doctrinal correctness and doing the right thing!
I'd be a little wary of invoking the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost as you go down into the water. That may border on taking the Name in vain, or profaning the name.
 
This does seem strange. Baptism is a PUBLIC PROFESSION and I believe therefore needs to include the congregation. It is not intended to give "Assurance" of salvation.
First and foremost, it is the initiatory rite into the Covenant. No one is saved by baptism, but no one can be considered a Christian without it. Where was the congregation when Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch?
 
First and foremost, it is the initiatory rite into the Covenant.
I understand this to be the position of those who embrace Covenant Theology. Presbyterians (for example) baptize believers along with their children which places them under the "Covenant." They will not, however, baptize the infant of unbelievers or parents outside of their congregation.

For Baptists holding strictly to "Believer's Baptism," Baptism identifies you as one who has been placed IN CHRIST and RAISED TO WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. It identifies you as a "Christ-Follower" and as a fellow believer. For this reason, I believe the congregation (or representative members thereof) should be present.
No one is saved by baptism, but no one can be considered a Christian without it.
I would agree with this statement. There may be a time period between which a new believer desires to be baptized and when such actually takes place and I have no problem considering them a fellow believer. If someone has not been baptized and REFUSES to do so, I would not consider them a "Christian" as you have stated.
Where was the congregation when Philip baptized the Ethiopian eunuch?
I was wondering whether this would come up and I was thinking about it when making my initial response!

The answer is that Philip is often referred to as "Philip the Evangelist" and the role of such is similar to the Apostles and whatever you would call a "Missionary" during that time (Paul was a "Missionary" and an "Apostle" who was charged with planting Churches and ordaining elders. Philip was likely sent out under the authority of his Church although it seems he had recently been placed in the office of a Deacon in the prior chapter but I digress.

He evidently had the authority to baptize and did so with the intent of planting and establishing churches. The Ethiopian eunuch had an "Entourage" with him who witnessed his baptism. Most likely were not saved but they were witness to his conversion and baptism nonetheless. He would be the beginning of a new congregation the kingdom of Ethiopia. Although little else is recorded, there was likely some Apostle or properly trained elder who followed up and established the congregation in which the Ethiopian Eunuch would be a part.

What about those who are incarcerated who come to faith? Should they or should they not be baptized? Under what authority should a baptism be administered? I believe it should be administered by an authorized representative of a Local Church congregation in the community - perhaps the congregation to which a Prison Chaplain belongs? There are prison chaplains who are on the State Payroll and I don't think they should be the ones baptizing. There are usually "Volunteer Chaplains" who are sent and supported by Churches which should administer the baptism. It may not be feasible for this person to be a member of this congregation but the congregation should take ownership of this individual and their continued spiritual growth. Perhaps some could and should wait until they are released from prison and be baptized by a Church congregation but this may not be a possibility for someone who is serving an extended or life sentence. In such a case, I would say that a prison baptism would be appropriate under the guidelines I have already stated.
 
For Baptists holding strictly to "Believer's Baptism," Baptism identifies you as one who has been placed IN CHRIST and RAISED TO WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE. It identifies you as a "Christ-Follower" and as a fellow believer. For this reason, I believe the congregation (or representative members thereof) should be present.
All of this is contained in the rite, but if it were merely this, or even primarily, then it seems it would be something done regularly, like the Supper. The Bread and the Cup "show" the Lord's death, and it is through that ordinance by which we profess and affirm our unity with Christ and with one another. Baptism is the ordinance by which we enter that union, and it is done one time.


I was wondering whether this would come up and I was thinking about it when making my initial response!
As well as you should have been thinking about it, because that account bespeaks a nature of the ordinance not quite parallel with the typical Baptist teaching on it.


What about those who are incarcerated who come to faith? Should they or should they not be baptized? Under what authority should a baptism be administered? I believe it should be administered by an authorized representative of a Local Church congregation in the community - perhaps the congregation to which a Prison Chaplain belongs?
In extreme circumstances, such as persecution and other distresses, the one that God sent to evangelize may baptize. Authority to baptize comes from the Word of God, and where two are gathered in His name, He is there. Christ is the One who officiates each baptism. He is present in the company of His angels and a great cloud of witnesses.

But where it is at all possible, I believe one who holds a ministerial office in the church should be sent for. The Spirit sent for Ananias to baptize Saul of Tarsus, despite the general persecution of the time.
 
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He evidently had the authority to baptize and did so with the intent of planting and establishing churches. The Ethiopian eunuch had an "Entourage" with him who witnessed his baptism. Most likely were not saved but they were witness to his conversion and baptism nonetheless.
The eunuch had, at least, a driver. Someone else had to be standing and driving the horses while the Ethiopian was seated and reading. And it was unlikely, as you say, that the queen of Ethiopia's treasurer went on a state visit without an entourage of servants and courtiers as well. It wasn't a lone dude in a chariot. It was a caravan.

Also, they weren't merely travelling through the middle of the desert. There was traffic. The road from Jerusalem to Gaza was probably the main thoroughfare between Jerusalem and Egypt--the Roman equivalent of an interstate highway. However many other travellers went past while the baptism was going on, we have no way of knowing--but it was, at the very least, public.
 
Are the ordinances the church’s or the individual believer’s?
 
The eunuch had, at least, a driver. Someone else had to be standing and driving the horses while the Ethiopian was seated and reading. And it was unlikely, as you say, that the queen of Ethiopia's treasurer went on a state visit without an entourage of servants and courtiers as well. It wasn't a lone dude in a chariot. It was a caravan.

Also, they weren't merely travelling through the middle of the desert. There was traffic. The road from Jerusalem to Gaza was probably the main thoroughfare between Jerusalem and Egypt--the Roman equivalent of an interstate highway. However many other travellers went past while the baptism was going on, we have no way of knowing--but it was, at the very least, public.
Still, it is only speculation on your part..none of us were there...we do not know.
 
Are the ordinances the church’s or the individual believer’s?
Christ commissioned the apostles to baptize (Matt. 28:19), and so by extension we can infer the same of the Lord's Supper as well. According to the 1689 Baptist Confession, "these holy appointments are to be administered by those only who are qualified and thereunto called, according to the commission of Christ" (LBCF 28.2). It is they who are "entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed" (1 Cor. 4:1).

The ordinances belong to the church--and baptism specifically is the sign of initiation into the New Covenant community--and should be administered by its officers, or at least those whom they have appointed to the task.
 
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