One Lord, one faith, one baptism.....

What is the "one baptism" mentioned in Eph 4:5?

  • It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit

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  • It is the water baptism following a believers salvation

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • I don't know

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Is the "one baptism" in Ephesians 4:5 a water baptism, or is it the baptism of the Holy Ghost at salvation? I've heard it preached both ways....but, I tend to believe it's about the Holy Spirit, not water. What is the consensus here on the FFF? Please, tell us why or why not you believe your position is correct.
 
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Baptized into Christ - Rom 6:3-5
 
It's water baptism, by immersion. Those who say it's Spirit baptism would have two baptisms, not one (unless they go hyper-dispensational and say that water baptism is not for today (Bullinger, Cornelius R. Stam, etc) in which case, then they would be back down to one baptism.
 
In the absence of any internal evidence suggesting Paul's using the word "baptism" figuratively, I take Paul's words at face value. He's talking about the one baptism that identifies all Christians with the death, burial, and resurrection of their Lord.

Read the Bible literally unless otherwise indicated, and figuratively when obvious.
 
Not sure, but either way it is interpreted it seems the context per verse 3 points us to unity among Christians, and neither interpretation violates that understanding. Is there other applications and implications behind your question?
 
Not sure, but either way it is interpreted it seems the context per verse 3 points us to unity among Christians, and neither interpretation violates that understanding. Is there other applications and implications behind your question?
I agree. It's open to interpretation.
 
In light of this verse, what should we make of certain Baptists who insist upon rebaptizing anyone not baptized with Baptist baptism as a condition for membership in their Church?

And how about those who keep on "Dunking and Re-Dunking" people who "Pray and accept Christ," who have continual doubts and keep going forward to "Get Saved" over and over again?
 
Renegade's first question has to do with the question of "alien immersion" - that is, many Baptist churches have a policy that if the candidate for membership was already immersed in a church that is not Baptistic, they will not recognize that baptism. If they did recognize such baptisms, this would imply recognition that it was administered by a true church, which in turn would imply that they logically are agreeing to grant letters of transfer for their own members to join such a church. As a matter of principle, there are many Baptist churches who will not recognize baptisms from a non-Baptistic church. Most denominations, not just Baptists, have some restrictions and regulations as to what baptisms they will or will not accept. The Roman Catholic Church and the United Methodist Church will not accept Mormon baptism because the LDS church is non-trinitarian. I don't think this is the issue that Paul is dealing with in Ephesians 4:5 or1 Corinthians 12:13.

Renegade's second question is with regard to Baptist churches that re-baptize folks who were previously baptized in an unsaved condition. Many Baptist churches have a policy that baptisms administered to a person who was later found to be unsaved are declared to be "null and void." Since baptism must be preceded by salvation, the newly saved person should be re-baptized, which is regarded as their actually receiving scriptural baptism for the first time. The accusation has been made that churches that re-baptize their members who "get saved" again are motivated by a desire to pad their baptism statistics, but I don't think we have a right to make that kind of judgment. Here again, this practice is not what Paul is talking about.

So, what is Paul's point when he says "one baptism?" In the context, Paul is emphasizing the need to "keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace" (Ephesians 4:3). The Ephesian church was composed of both Jews and Gentiles, but God had broken down the walls of division between those two ethnic groups (Ephesians 2:11-14). They now had a oneness of faith, based around acceptance of one Lord, one faith, one form of baptism, one God and Father of all.

Pulpit Commentary on 1 Corinthians 12:13: "We were all baptized. Whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free. Moreover, as these were national and social differences, they were all obliterated by baptism, which made us all equal members of one holy brotherhood (Galatians 3:28)."

Gill's Commentary on Ephesians 4:5: "There is but one baptism, literally and properly so called, which is water baptism; and which is to be administered in one and the same way, by immersion in water; and on one and the same subjects, believers in Christ; and in one and the same name, the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and to be performed but once, when rightly administered." (Gill appears to recognize the propriety of re-baptism for those whose previous baptism was not "rightly administered)." Most Baptists would say that baptism that is not administered by a scriptural church, or was administered on an unsaved subject, was not "rightly administered."
 
Renegade's first question has to do with the question of "alien immersion" - that is, many Baptist churches have a policy that if the candidate for membership was already immersed in a church that is not Baptistic, they will not recognize that baptism. If they did recognize such baptisms, this would imply recognition that it was administered by a true church, which in turn would imply that they logically are agreeing to grant letters of transfer for their own members to join such a church. As a matter of principle, there are many Baptist churches who will not recognize baptisms from a non-Baptistic church. Most denominations, not just Baptists, have some restrictions and regulations as to what baptisms they will or will not accept. The Roman Catholic Church and the United Methodist Church will not accept Mormon baptism because the LDS church is non-trinitarian. I don't think this is the issue that Paul is dealing with in Ephesians 4:5 or1 Corinthians 12:13.

Renegade's second question is with regard to Baptist churches that re-baptize folks who were previously baptized in an unsaved condition. Many Baptist churches have a policy that baptisms administered to a person who was later found to be unsaved are declared to be "null and void." Since baptism must be preceded by salvation, the newly saved person should be re-baptized, which is regarded as their actually receiving scriptural baptism for the first time. The accusation has been made that churches that re-baptize their members who "get saved" again are motivated by a desire to pad their baptism statistics, but I don't think we have a right to make that kind of judgment. Here again, this practice is not what Paul is talking about.

So, what is Paul's point when he says "one baptism?" In the context, Paul is emphasizing the need to "keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace" (Ephesians 4:3). The Ephesian church was composed of both Jews and Gentiles, but God had broken down the walls of division between those two ethnic groups (Ephesians 2:11-14). They now had a oneness of faith, based around acceptance of one Lord, one faith, one form of baptism, one God and Father of all.

Pulpit Commentary on 1 Corinthians 12:13: "We were all baptized. Whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free. Moreover, as these were national and social differences, they were all obliterated by baptism, which made us all equal members of one holy brotherhood (Galatians 3:28)."

Gill's Commentary on Ephesians 4:5: "There is but one baptism, literally and properly so called, which is water baptism; and which is to be administered in one and the same way, by immersion in water; and on one and the same subjects, believers in Christ; and in one and the same name, the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and to be performed but once, when rightly administered." (Gill appears to recognize the propriety of re-baptism for those whose previous baptism was not "rightly administered)." Most Baptists would say that baptism that is not administered by a scriptural church, or was administered on an unsaved subject, was not "rightly administered."
I guess that acceptance of a baptism from another group implies "Communion" with that group?

Therefore, if a Baptist Church welcomes someone into their membership who was baptized in an Assembly of God Church, this is implicit that this Baptist Congregation is in "Communion" with said Assemblies of God congregation (or even the denomination itself)? I can understand and appreciate the mindset although I am not sure I would agree.

I do believe that Baptism needs to be "Rightly Administered" and by this, I believe that a baptism should be trinitarian, should be by immersion, and should accompany a profession of faith that has been examined satisfactorily by the eldership of the Church that is administering the baptism. I furthermore believe that baptism is an ordinance of THE LOCAL CHURCH and is not to be administered by "Freelance" ministers operating outside the context of this local Church setting. I believe that those who baptize MUST BE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO by the authority of their local congregation. Some may restrict this to licensed and ordained clergy and if this is the policy of the respective congregation, so be it. Other congregations allow (for example) parents to baptize their children and so long as it is done in an officially sanctioned congregational setting, I would accept this. I spent a few years in a Non-Denominational Bible Church of which the eldership authorized baptisms to be performed in "Small Group" settings (which had oversight of elders and deacons). I am OK with this as well.

Where it comes into question is with Covenant Theologians such as Presbyterians. Presbyterians baptize adult converts based upon a legitimate profession of faith but children of believers are baptized "Into the Covenant" and are not re-baptized upon coming to faith (Confirmation, making their calling and election sure, etc.). RC Sproul and many other "Presbys" are adamantly against any sort of "Re-baptism" although they would probably agree with Gill's statement and not accept a non-trinitarian baptism (they would not) or perhaps one that implies baptismal regeneration?

The "Getting Saved over and over again" with the subsequent "Dunking and Re-Dunking" has much more to do with poor, sloppy evangelism tactics and very, very bad theology! I would hate to be the one standing before God who has been preaching a gospel that is NOT THE GOSPEL and I believe this has much to do with all the false professions and those who cannot find assurance of their salvation! My Church in San Diego ran buses all over the city and they would "Dunk" kids all the time whenever they made a "Profession" with their Sunday School Teacher or in Children's Church. It would usually be that very same Sunday and would be done so without the consent of their parents (of which I pushed back against quite hard). Many of us had very little knowledge beyond the "1-2-3, Pray After Me" methodology and kids were often quite confused and clueless about what they were doing! Some saw it as a "Game" seeing how many times they could get "Baptized!"

I therefore believe that a baptism candidate should be thoroughly examined by someone who has been properly trained and has sufficient oversight in which they are accountable to the Lord and will REFUSE baptism to anyone they deem unworthy or unprepared (no evidence of a regenerate life). Our church has baptism classes taught by one of our elders and we perform baptisms perhaps once a quarter.
 
I suppose the bottom line is that each local church has the right to determine their own baptism policies. I agree with Renegade that the administrator of baptism need not be ordained clergy, but of course if a congregation wants to make that a requirement for themselves, that is their right. I also agree that the requirement of parental permission for a child to be baptized is wise. It might help avoid the baptism of a child who has no clue as to what is going on - they say there are bus kids who come home and tell their parents that the church let them have a swim in their pool. The parental permission requirement might also prevent a lawsuit from irate Jewish or Catholic parents who do not want their kids to receive Protestant baptism - and I believe they have the right to object to that. (Not to mention irate Baptist parents who rightly object to their kids being run through 1-2-3 Pray With Me profession and baptism assembly line).

As for "re-dunking," some churches no doubt are pushing that to unrealistic proportions. I was told by a young man that he had been baptized at First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana 360 times. I would not accuse any church of being motivated to pad their baptism stats if they re-baptize a young person a second or third time after they got "really saved," but 360 times is a bit too much.
 
I suppose the bottom line is that each local church has the right to determine their own baptism policies. I agree with Renegade that the administrator of baptism need not be ordained clergy, but of course if a congregation wants to make that a requirement for themselves, that is their right. I also agree that the requirement of parental permission for a child to be baptized is wise. It might help avoid the baptism of a child who has no clue as to what is going on - they say there are bus kids who come home and tell their parents that the church let them have a swim in their pool. The parental permission requirement might also prevent a lawsuit from irate Jewish or Catholic parents who do not want their kids to receive Protestant baptism - and I believe they have the right to object to that. (Not to mention irate Baptist parents who rightly object to their kids being run through 1-2-3 Pray With Me profession and baptism assembly line).

As for "re-dunking," some churches no doubt are pushing that to unrealistic proportions. I was told by a young man that he had been baptized at First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana 360 times. I would not accuse any church of being motivated to pad their baptism stats if they re-baptize a young person a second or third time after they got "really saved," but 360 times is a bit too much.
Bottom line is that water baptism is an ordinance given to the local Church. Any baptism performed outside this authority IS NOT a valid baptism.

Secondly, a baptism must pass a doctrinal "Smell Test." Non-trinitarian baptisms should be rejected as well as one that implies baptismal regeneration. Such would render invalid any baptism from Unitarian, Church or Christ (Campbellite Restorationist), Jehovah Witnesses, LDS, United Pentecostal (Jesus Only Apostolic), and Roman Catholic congregations.

I therefore believe that a baptism by immersion preceded by a public profession of faith by any Church that is orthodox in doctrine may be accepted as a condition for membership.
 
It's water baptism.

Christ is not divided (1 Corinthians 1:13). There is no Baptist christ, or Presbyterian christ, or even a Catholic christ. There is only Christ and Him crucified. Therefore, the baptism administered in the name of Christ by any body, despite the mode, is the same baptism.
 
While I agree with Baptist renegade on much of what he says, I would differ in a couple of areas. The mode of baptism is very important for a Baptist, and I could not therefore, in good conscience, accept a Methodist adult sprinkling baptism as a proper candidate for transfer of membership.

Secondly, for adults, those who make a profession of faith and desire immediate baptism there is no need for any kind of catechism or waiting period. I would further point out that I think it appropriate when somebody makes a profession of faith to encourage them to be baptized as soon as they are ready. If they would like to enroll in some class to make sure they understand what they’re about to do that’s fine too.
 
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One symbolizes the other. No work saves or sanctifies us, Gal 3.

Romans 6:3-5
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 
Hey, a little off topic here but pertinent nonetheless. What about those who take trips to the "Holy Land" and get "Re-Baptized in the Jordan River" just for the experience of being baptized where Jesus was baptized?

Is this something that is acceptable or at least excusable? Serious question as I may be taking a trip to Israel next year and may be facing this dilemma personally. I think the "Experience" would be really cool but I am concerned about doctrinal correctness and doing the right thing!
 
Hey, a little off topic here but pertinent nonetheless. What about those who take trips to the "Holy Land" and get "Re-Baptized in the Jordan River" just for the experience of being baptized where Jesus was baptized?

Is this something that is acceptable or at least excusable? Serious question as I may be taking a trip to Israel next year and may be facing this dilemma personally. I think the "Experience" would be really cool but I am concerned about doctrinal correctness and doing the right thing!
Re-baptized in the Jordan... absolutely unnecessary. But purely for nostalgia's sake, I don't see a problem. I'd advise keep it in perspective. Remember what baptism is and why you did it. Now, later on, if you want the experience, it's your choice. Just make sure you're doing it in good faith... you know the concept.

A question arises... "baptized where Jesus was"... who says? There are monuments all over the place. I'm sure if the cat-licks thought they knew the spot where Jesus was baptized, they'd have built a church there. The best you're ever going to do is be in the general vicinity and be dependent upon someone's opinion. Besides, I hear that the Jordan is a muddy stream most of the year.

Just saying...
 
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Now, if you're looking for somewhere to baptize/be baptized, we have two great spots in this region.

Along the Snake River at Hells Gate State Park. "Baptize 'em at the gates of hell!"

Then there's Wallowa Lake, about a mile south of Joseph Oregon. At the southern end of the lake is a beautiful state park. I've witnessed baptisms here. In May. Get baptized here and you'll come up out of the water speaking in tongues!
 
I think the "Experience" would be really cool but I am concerned about doctrinal correctness and doing the right thing!
People go in churches and get “remarried” a second time for their 25th or even 50th anniversary. I don’t really see any difference with baptism. You already understand it’s a tourist trap and you’re just doing it for the sake of being able to tell people you did it.
 
Me, and strictly speaking for me...nope, couldn't do it. At least not calling it a baptism. I might get in the water, but couldn't simulate an act for any reason other than what Scripture indicates its purpose is to be. Not tryin' to be a Debbie Downer, just keepin' it real.
 
Hey, a little off topic here but pertinent nonetheless. What about those who take trips to the "Holy Land" and get "Re-Baptized in the Jordan River" just for the experience of being baptized where Jesus was baptized?

Feel free to dunk yourself in the Jordan, I say. Just don't trivialize actual baptism by getting wet at every holy site you visit. Baptism isn't a vacation destination, or a wedding accessory, or any number of ridiculous things I've heard people get re-baptized for for no reason.
 
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