On Jason Collins' "heroism" for coming out of the closet.

[ALAYMAN]

Chris Broussard, a respected sports figure and professing Christian, had this to say about Jason Collins (a black NBA center and presumably self-professed Christian) coming out annoucement....

"... Personally, I don't believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you're openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that's a sin. If you're openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian."

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Good on Broussard. 

All the news and social media is gushing about Collins' "heroic" deed of announcing his gayness, and any oppostion (which has been vocally almost non-existant) is shouted down with epithets of "bigot", "homophobe", and worse.  Another conservative commenator who spoke against the glowing media onslaught which praised Collins said of the "heroic" act...
“Collins is a hero? Our standard for heroism has dropped quite a bit since Normandy"

lol

Broussard's livelihood is at stake, just as much as Jimmy the Greek was castigated and fired for his racist remarks, you'll be villified if you take a stand against the ever-increasing gay agenda machine. 

Are you ready to suffer persecution?

 

[ALAYMAN]

And the political correctness stomps on another NFL athlete who dared to question Collins and the gay agenda....

NBA player Mike Wallace has landed in hot water over one of his recent tweets. "All these beautiful women in the world and guys wanna mess with other guys SMH...," so the wide receiver wrote. The homophobic tweet was posted hot on heels of a public confession made by fellow basketball star Jason Collins saying he was gay.

He quickly justified his tweet as backlashes came flooding his way. He deleted the controversial post and said, "I'm not bashing anybody don't have anything against anyone I just don't understand it." He then removed his initial explanation, instead writing, "Never said anything was right or wrong I just said I don't understand!! Deeply sorry for anyone that I offended."

Miami Dolphins where he currently plays has also reacted to his tweet. "Mike Wallace has apologized for his comments, and we have addressed the matter with him," a rep said. "Mike's comments do not reflect the views of the Miami Dolphins. We believe in a culture of inclusiveness and respect, and any statements to the contrary are in no way acceptable to our organization."

"We will address the entire team about our policy of inclusion and make sure they all understand the importance of respecting individual choices," the representative continued.

All the guy said was that he didn't understand how one dude could look at another dude the way a dude looks at a dudette, and "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"!

I used to laugh at or scoff at the notion of conspiracy theorists and chicken-little types who  predicted that condemning homosexuality as a sin or preaching against it would someday be a crime in the USA.  I ain't laughin' no more.

 

[Ransom]

Chris Broussard, a respected sports figure and professing Christian, had this to say about Jason Collins (a black NBA center and presumably self-professed Christian) coming out annoucement . . .

Good on Broussard. 

All the news and social media is gushing about Collins' "heroic" deed of announcing his gayness, and any oppostion (which has been vocally almost non-existant) is shouted down with epithets of "bigot", "homophobe", and worse.

Hm.  You more or less echo my initial thoughts. Who is more "brave" or "heroic":

• the NBA star who comes out of the closet and is immediately fawned over by a sympathetic press (amazingly, he was the top story on last night's Canadian news, overshadowing even the rising death toll in Bangladesh and an illegal strike by prison guards in Alberta); or
• a sports commentator, who happens to be a Christian, and who sticks to his guns and says what is exactly true about homosexuality, in spite of his friendship with the NBA star and the sure knowledge that the press is going to be not only hostile, but viciously hostile to his counterpoint?

I know which one I'd rather have in my corner when things get tough.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Contrast Collins hero status with the Tebow needs to be quiet about his personal religion treatment.

It is what it is.....

 

[Recovering IFB]

The sports radio show I was listening to in Chicago, turned into a bash Christian show after news was released about his sexuality. Was pretty scary...

 

[brianb]

He's part of the "judge not" crowd that ignores the holiness of God.  He probably goes to a church that doesn't teach the Bible or just the nice parts like "tolerance and understanding" (quoting Collins). They don't believe love and judgement can co-exist.  There's more to this than just homosexuality. Bad theology is at the root of it.

 

[HeDied4U]

The sports radio show I was listening to in Chicago, turned into a bash Christian show after news was released about his sexuality. Was pretty scary...

Was it WSCR "The Score?" I was listening to it yesterday and things sure did take a turn for the nasty towards Christians. It got to the point where I had to change stations....to K-Love; much more edifying.

 

[brianb]

The sports radio show I was listening to in Chicago, turned into a bash Christian show after news was released about his sexuality. Was pretty scary...

Was it WSCR "The Score?" I was listening to it yesterday and things sure did take a turn for the nasty towards Christians. It got to the point where I had to change stations....to K-Love; much more edifying.

Some would say that it wasn't about bashing Christians per se (because Collins claims to be a Christian) but against any one who is "intolerant" regardless of their beliefs. There are atheists who would say that Collins isn't really a Christian in the Biblical and historical sense. I wonder what they would think about that.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Was it WSCR "The Score?" I was listening to it yesterday and things sure did take a turn for the nasty towards Christians. It got to the point where I had to change stations....to K-Love; much more edifying.

Yeah, the Boers/ Bernstein show... usually when they stay on sports, they are the best. But, Dan Bernstein gets on his high horse when it turns to political/ social issues, and don't you disagree with him, he'll embarrass you on the radio.

 

[Timothy]

The sports radio show I was listening to in Chicago, turned into a bash Christian show after news was released about his sexuality. Was pretty scary...

God help us when that sort of "hate" becomes more mainstream

 

[HereIStand]

I applaud Chris Broussard for saying what he said. Sad that a perfectly sound understanding of the Bible would be so vilified. 

The media reaction to Collins' disclosure has been really embarrassing. Added to that President Obama makes a point to call Collins to offer support.
Obama made history with that phone call -- his first to a black D.C. resident. 

 

[HeDied4U]

Was it WSCR "The Score?" I was listening to it yesterday and things sure did take a turn for the nasty towards Christians. It got to the point where I had to change stations....to K-Love; much more edifying.

Yeah, the Boers/ Bernstein show... usually when they stay on sports, they are the best. But, Dan Bernstein gets on his high horse when it turns to political/ social issues, and don't you disagree with him, he'll embarrass you on the radio.

Yep, that says it all right there. Bernstein is a world class jackwagon.

 

[brianb]

This is from the Sports Illustrated article.
I'm from a close-knit family. My parents instilled Christian values in me. They taught Sunday school, and I enjoyed lending a hand. I take the teachings of Jesus seriously, particularly the ones that touch on tolerance and understanding. On family trips, my parents made a point to expose us to new things, religious and cultural. In Utah, we visited the Mormon Salt Lake Temple. In Atlanta, the house of Martin Luther King Jr. That early exposure to otherness made me the guy who accepts everyone unconditionally.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jason-collins-gay-nba-player/#ixzz2S0dcZgVf

You'll notice he doesn't say that he is a Christian or that he was born again or saved. He attributes his Christianity to his parents. It wasn't until Broussard said something that Collins said he was a Christian and that Jesus thinks he's a Christian. He says that his parents taught mainly about tolerance and understanding. Was that was Jesus was all about? Does he think Jesus was persecuted and killed for being tolerant and understanding? Jesus wasn't tolerant of the religious leaders or Herod. He said things about them that weren't very nice. Think about it. If God were just tolerant and understanding would he send his Son into the world to die for our sins? No, he'd just accept them into heaven with all their flaws. But the truth is God is holy and can't tolerate sin. Even if Collins didn't commit a homosexual act, he is still depending on his good works rather than the grace of God which he must receive now.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I witnessed/read one more facepalm facet of this conversation today.  Jerry Stackhouse, an NBA player and friend of Collins, has stated that in order to insure that Collins' doesn't face retaliation for coming out of the closet, that the commissioner of the NBA ought to guarantee that he gets a contract next season.    Nevermind that Collins' NBA career would be best described as that of a "journeymen", and that a person's ability to contribute based on their competency ought to be the determining factor in any job.  Now we want to have gay quotas. Unstinkingbelievable!

 

[brianb]

I witnessed/read one more facepalm facet of this conversation today.  Jerry Stackhouse, an NBA player and friend of Collins, has stated that in order to insure that Collins' doesn't face retaliation for coming out of the closet, that the commissioner of the NBA ought to guarantee that he gets a contract next season.    Nevermind that Collins' NBA career would be best described as that of a "journeymen", and that a person's ability to contribute based on their competency ought to be the determining factor in any job.  Now we want to have gay quotas. Unstinkingbelievable!

We need to pray much more for our society. People are deceived more than ever because of relativism. Fifty years ago most people thought everything that God called sin was sin but now most people think the opposite. They think of God as tolerant which taken to its logical conclusion means any one can do anything - even murder - and God will just ignore it.  They call themselves Christians because somehow it's better than calling themselves humanists which is what they are essentially.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=brianb]We need to pray much more for our society. People are deceived more than ever because of relativism. Fifty years ago most people thought everything that God called sin was sin but now most people think the opposite. They think of God as tolerant which taken to its logical conclusion means any one can do anything - even murder - and God will just ignore it.  They call themselves Christians because somehow it's better than calling themselves humanists which is what they are essentially.
[/quote]

Fifty years ago, people thought it was okay to make people who looked a little different sit at the back of the bus and use separate water fountains. Fifty years ago, people thought beating a child into submission was acceptable parenting. Fifty years ago, people believed marital rape was an logical impossibility.

Are some things worse today? Absolutely! Are something things better? Absolutely! But, all and all, things are just different, not better, not worse.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Are some things worse today? Absolutely! Are something things better? Absolutely! But, all and all, things are just different, not better, not worse.

This is the type of stuff you should keep spouting, so that more people on the FFF will see how absolutely insane you can be at times.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=brianb]We need to pray much more for our society. People are deceived more than ever because of relativism. Fifty years ago most people thought everything that God called sin was sin but now most people think the opposite. They think of God as tolerant which taken to its logical conclusion means any one can do anything - even murder - and God will just ignore it.  They call themselves Christians because somehow it's better than calling themselves humanists which is what they are essentially.

Fifty years ago, people thought it was okay to make people who looked a little different sit at the back of the bus and use separate water fountains. Fifty years ago, people thought beating a child into submission was acceptable parenting. Fifty years ago, people believed marital rape was an logical impossibility.

Are some things worse today? Absolutely! Are something things better? Absolutely! But, all and all, things are just different, not better, not worse.
[/quote]

Again, your saying something doesn't make it true....sad, I'm sure, but very, very true.
Sometimes, your saying it makes it less likely to be true....

 

[rsc2a]

Are some things worse today? Absolutely! Are something things better? Absolutely! But, all and all, things are just different, not better, not worse.

This is the type of stuff you should keep spouting, so that more people on the FFF will see how absolutely insane you can be at times.

You see...

...some of us think it was just as terrible for there to be a society where one's worth was evaluated by the color of one's skin as it is where sexual perversion is celebrated.

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=brianb]We need to pray much more for our society. People are deceived more than ever because of relativism. Fifty years ago most people thought everything that God called sin was sin but now most people think the opposite. They think of God as tolerant which taken to its logical conclusion means any one can do anything - even murder - and God will just ignore it.  They call themselves Christians because somehow it's better than calling themselves humanists which is what they are essentially.

Fifty years ago, people thought it was okay to make people who looked a little different sit at the back of the bus and use separate water fountains. Fifty years ago, people thought beating a child into submission was acceptable parenting. Fifty years ago, people believed marital rape was an logical impossibility.

Are some things worse today? Absolutely! Are something things better? Absolutely! But, all and all, things are just different, not better, not worse.
[/quote]

Really?  I guess one of two things is true then either your head is in the clouds or in the sand. Either way your just wrong on this one as reality does not support your statement.