Now this is what I call 21st Century Christianity

[Ransom]

CU said:

However, this does mean that I accept that everything that occurs in this life comes from the divine hand of God.

OK, so you're a part-time Deist.

You can not talk of "conscience" without talking of "feeling". IF, you do not "feel" what you believe.... then you are past feeling.

"Feeling" has nothing to do with objective truth.  I might "feel" revolted that Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery, but regardless of how I "feel," it's still true that it was God's plan that this evil happened (Gen. 50:20).

 

[christundivided]

CU said:

However, this does mean that I accept that everything that occurs in this life comes from the divine hand of God.

OK, so you're a part-time Deist.

I hear you... I reckon that means that because your use/like the KJV...... you're a part time KJVO'ist.

You can not talk of "conscience" without talking of "feeling". IF, you do not "feel" what you believe.... then you are past feeling.

"Feeling" has nothing to do with objective truth.  I might "feel" revolted that Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery, but regardless of how I "feel," it's still true that it was God's plan that this evil happened (Gen. 50:20).

I imagine such a verse indicates we are all a members of the 12 patriarchs? or a future "high ranking" official in "Egypt".....

Where does the comparison end?

 

[christundivided]

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

(Psalm 139:16 ESV)

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If you'd like, I can provide a whole lot more verses pertaining to the absolute sovereignty of God.

Sorta like...

Thine eyes saw my unwrought substance, and all men shall be written in thy book; they shall be formed by day, though there should for a time be no one among them.

You really should get to know the LXX. It might help you a little to understand obscure Hebrew references.

"your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." - NIV

"You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed." - NLT

"Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them." - NASB

"Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in Your book and planned before a single one of them began." - HCSB

"but with your own eyes  you saw  my body being formed.  Even before I was born, you had written in your book  everything I would do." - CEV

"Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them." - NKJV

...and for giggles...

"Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth; all the stages of my life were spread out before you,  The days of my life all prepared before I'd even lived one day." - The Message

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

 

[rsc2a]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

 

[christundivided]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

The translation I posted wasn't my own. It was the Brenton translation of the LXX.

I never questioned the translation of the Hebrew.

 

[Ransom]

I imagine such a verse indicates we are all a members of the 12 patriarchs?

No, dimbulb, it indicates that God ordains evil acts for his own purposes.  Are you being this obtuse on purpose?

 

[christundivided]

I imagine such a verse indicates we are all a members of the 12 patriarchs?

No, dimbulb, it indicates that God ordains evil acts for his own purposes.  Are you being this obtuse on purpose?

So God ordains all evil acts?

Call me obtuse all you want. Its IS difficult for me to understand how you're taking a statement made concerning God's divine action in the life of Joseph, to mean that God does such in everyone's life. Such is not the case.  Not everyone is a King, Not everyone is Patriarch, Not everyone is an apostle.....

God does somethings.... for some people.... that he does not do for others. Your "proof" verse that God ordained this accident in eternity past is just plain SILLY....

 

[rsc2a]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

The translation I posted wasn't my own. It was the Brenton translation of the LXX.

I never questioned the translation of the Hebrew.

So, are you or are you not saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of Bible translators?

 

[christundivided]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

The translation I posted wasn't my own. It was the Brenton translation of the LXX.

I never questioned the translation of the Hebrew.

So, are you or are you not saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of Bible translators?

Still don't get it?

Most don't even consider the LXX when translating OT passages. The LXX contains the oldest surviving readings of the OT. The Dead Sea Scrolls have more than proven the validity of the LXX renderings. There are at least 3 textual streams for the book of Psalms. In my opinion, ANY GOOD translator would consider the various "streams" before making a choice. MOST do not.

In the last few decades the LXX has gained more of following than years past. Hopefully... this will change.

 

[rsc2a]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

The translation I posted wasn't my own. It was the Brenton translation of the LXX.

I never questioned the translation of the Hebrew.

So, are you or are you not saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of Bible translators?

Still don't get it?

Most don't even consider the LXX when translating OT passages. The LXX contains the oldest surviving readings of the OT. The Dead Sea Scrolls have more than proven the validity of the LXX renderings. There are at least 3 textual streams for the book of Psalms. In my opinion, ANY GOOD translator would consider the various "streams" before making a choice. MOST do not.

In the last few decades the LXX has gained more of following than years past. Hopefully... this will change.

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

 

[christundivided]

All translations from a 9th century Hebrew text of the OT..... You really didn't understand what I wrote did you?????

I understood what you wrote. I also understood that you seem to think you're smarter than the 100s (1000s?) of scholars in Hebrew and Greek who, having access to the exact same material you have access to, translated that passage in a way that clearly states that God appoints the exact number of days for everyone on earth.

The translation I posted wasn't my own. It was the Brenton translation of the LXX.

I never questioned the translation of the Hebrew.

So, are you or are you not saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of Bible translators?

Still don't get it?

Most don't even consider the LXX when translating OT passages. The LXX contains the oldest surviving readings of the OT. The Dead Sea Scrolls have more than proven the validity of the LXX renderings. There are at least 3 textual streams for the book of Psalms. In my opinion, ANY GOOD translator would consider the various "streams" before making a choice. MOST do not.

In the last few decades the LXX has gained more of following than years past. Hopefully... this will change.

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

 

[rsc2a]

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars (both today and historically) reject a 6-day, 24-hr creation account, right?

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars (both today and historically) reject a 6-day, 24-hr creation account, right?

Y'all are digressing here.  What I want to know from cu is whether he thinks that God is omniscient in all things.  Did God know the wreck was going to happen?

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Why did God harden the heart of Pharoah?  From Brenton's translation of the Septuagint:

Exo 7:3  And I will harden the heart of Pharao, and I will multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.

 

[christundivided]

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars (both today and historically) reject a 6-day, 24-hr creation account, right?

Have you literally counted them?.... or are you just blowing smoke?

I vote for the latter....

 

[rsc2a]

Why did God harden the heart of Pharoah?  From Brenton's translation of the Septuagint:

Exo 7:3  And I will harden the heart of Pharao, and I will multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.

"What I believe the text is saying is here is that God allowed Pharaoh to harden his own heart." - Actual quote from a sermon I heard on this passage

 

[christundivided]

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars (both today and historically) reject a 6-day, 24-hr creation account, right?

Y'all are digressing here.  What I want to know from cu is whether he thinks that God is omniscient in all things.  Did God know the wreck was going to happen?

What does God being "Omniscient" have to do with anything I said?

Do you remember when James said.... you have not because you asked not? Did God's Omniscience" change anything to do with the statement?

 

[christundivided]

Why did God harden the heart of Pharoah?  From Brenton's translation of the Septuagint:

Exo 7:3  And I will harden the heart of Pharao, and I will multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.

"What I believe the text is saying is here is that God allowed Pharaoh to harden his own heart." - Actual quote from a sermon I heard on this passage

And pray tell what does God hardening "Pharoh's heart" have to do with anything? Are you saying that God always acts the same way to everyone? Surely you've grown past that little jewel of a "belief".

 

[christundivided]

Why did God harden the heart of Pharoah?  From Brenton's translation of the Septuagint:

Exo 7:3  And I will harden the heart of Pharao, and I will multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.

"What I believe the text is saying is here is that God allowed Pharaoh to harden his own heart." - Actual quote from a sermon I heard on this passage

Pharoah had long rejected God. God hardening a man's heart when he has thoroughly rejected Him has nothing to do with whether God does such for everyone of a certain kind.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

So you are saying you are smarter than 100s (1000s?) of scholars who did the translating, many who have devoted their entire lives to studying the Hebrew and Greek.  :

Just making sure that's clear.

Are you saying that you are smarter than the 100/1000s of scholars who have taught young earth creationism?

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars (both today and historically) reject a 6-day, 24-hr creation account, right?

Y'all are digressing here.  What I want to know from cu is whether he thinks that God is omniscient in all things.  Did God know the wreck was going to happen?

What does God being "Omniscient" have to do with anything I said?

Do you remember when James said.... you have not because you asked not? Did God's Omniscience" change anything to do with the statement?

If you would have actually answered the question, then I would have told you.