Now this is what I call 21st Century Christianity

[brianb]

From the Cretzman's Cuba - Facebook page.
"Not sure who all knows/knew of this but we are PROUD to inform everyone that God gave us total peace to donate Azlynns organs. SO, now 2 children can now see with her eyes, and one chiild was blessed to have her heart! We're going to do our best to get pictures of the kids who got the most beautiful eyes ever created and the BEST heart to ever beat. Thanking God for the opportunity to do something for someone that if we(and very well could have been) were in their shoes would have wanted someone to do for us!"

I would never imagine someone seeing out of someone else's eyes especially those of a child of parents who would find it hard to give them up. I didn't know we were that scientifically advanced.
This is God's love working with medical science. The Great Physician collaborating with the lesser physicians.

Here's the link but you have to scroll down. These people are really popular. Wow.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cretzmans-to-Cuba/169962909729571

 

[Ransom]

What a great end to a sad story.

Eye transplants, or at least cornea transplants, have been around for years.  When I was in university, I would often ride the Greyhound between Waterloo and Guelph to visit my girlfriend.  This would have been around 1989-91. One evening, the only other passenger on the bus was a big red thermos containing human eyes.  "Would you mind keeping an eye on that?" the driver asked me.  Ah ha ha!

The younger brother of a high-school friend was accidentally killed a few years ago. It was random - he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when a punch was thrown in a street fight. One of the things that helped his parents cope with his death, was that his liver saved the life of a young man.  I suppose that if I were a parent, I'd be comforted too to know that such great good could come out of such great evil.

 

[HeDied4U]

From the Cretzman's Cuba - Facebook page.
"Not sure who all knows/knew of this but we are PROUD to inform everyone that God gave us total peace to donate Azlynns organs. SO, now 2 children can now see with her eyes, and one chiild was blessed to have her heart! We're going to do our best to get pictures of the kids who got the most beautiful eyes ever created and the BEST heart to ever beat. Thanking God for the opportunity to do something for someone that if we(and very well could have been) were in their shoes would have wanted someone to do for us!"

I would never imagine someone seeing out of someone else's eyes especially those of a child of parents who would find it hard to give them up. I didn't know we were that scientifically advanced.
This is God's love working with medical science. The Great Physician collaborating with the lesser physicians.

Here's the link but you have to scroll down. These people are really popular. Wow.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cretzmans-to-Cuba/169962909729571

Thanks for sharing such an awesome and inspiring story.

As Scott said, it's a great end to a sad story.

 

[JrChurch]

The faith of the young Ctretzman family is strong and inspiring. 

 

[brianb]

I heard that on k-love they reported a number of decisions for Christ were made. This is a phenomenon. Who would of thought a little canadian girl would have an impact like this?

 

[christundivided]

I'm grateful that God can take our foolish actions and bring good out of them. I've personally experience this in my life.

BUT, don't take this the wrong way and I'm not kicking anyone.

I wouldn't know what to do if I lost my daughter because I spun out on some ice and hit a huge "pole". I would first have to forgive myself for my foolishness.. (which would very difficult to do). Second, there is no way I could every think that such events are the direct and divine action of God in my life. Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded.... for those who love to find a way to "explain" how "our foolish actions" are somehow....really God's divine will. Some of the comments on the facebook page are outright silly. I even saw where one person talked of how GOD foreordained this "sacrifice" in their lives.

I tell you what.... people can sure find silly ways to comfort themselves. Our comfort comes in knowing the God can fix what we break. Not, that HE has foreordained "bad" things in our lives. God can personally... DIVINELY.... fix our broken hearts. Real peace doesn't come from laying everything at the feet of "FATE". Real peace comes from the personal, divine, loving comfort of our God.

Just my penny.

 

[Ransom]

Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded....

God's providential control of the world is not "fate."

 

[christundivided]

Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded....

God's providential control of the world is not "fate."

I assume you mean God's providential control......placed this family's van on a "perfect line" to kill that little girl. Not a foot to the right, not a foot to the left. RIGHT ON LINE....

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded....

God's providential control of the world is not "fate."

I assume you mean God's providential control......placed this family's van on a "perfect line" to kill that little girl. Not a foot to the right, not a foot to the left. RIGHT ON LINE....

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

So if God doesn't control death, who does?

 

[christundivided]

Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded....

God's providential control of the world is not "fate."

I assume you mean God's providential control......placed this family's van on a "perfect line" to kill that little girl. Not a foot to the right, not a foot to the left. RIGHT ON LINE....

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

So if God doesn't control death, who does?

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

Talk of "FATE" is often for the weak minded....

God's providential control of the world is not "fate."

I assume you mean God's providential control......placed this family's van on a "perfect line" to kill that little girl. Not a foot to the right, not a foot to the left. RIGHT ON LINE....

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

So if God doesn't control death, who does?

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

I didn't say God killed everyone, though he is sovereign and could if he liked, but he does control death. He allows it to happen. In Job, he allowed Satan to kill all of Job's children, but would not let him kill Job. Job said, and rightly so, "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away."  He killed Ananias and Saphira in the book of Acts for lying to the Holy Spirit. He killed thousands in the O.T. in the wilderness.  He is sovereign, which means he has the right to do what he wants with his creation.  But he is also holy and can do no sin.  We can't imagine that, and it is hard to reconcile in an evil world, but God still brings good things out of difficult situations in the life of a Christian. I had at least 3 times in my life that I could have been killed, twice in automobiles and once serving my country.  All of this happened before I got saved.  Was that just chance?

 

[rsc2a]

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

(Psalm 139:16 ESV)

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If you'd like, I can provide a whole lot more verses pertaining to the absolute sovereignty of God.

 

[Ransom]

CU said:

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

When you base your theology on what you "feel," whether good or bad,  you get bad theology.

What is true is what is revealed in the Scriptures.

"Fate" is an impersonal, arbitrary force. History is being written out by a personal, powerful Creator who loves his creation and wants the best for his people, not by some impersonal "fate."

When someone denies that God's providential control of events can't extend to the exact time and circumstances of even a child's death, they are arguing from a position of effective unbelief, because they have revealed that they do not trust God to do right.

 

[JrChurch]

I wouldn't know what to do if I lost my daughter because I spun out on some ice and hit a huge "pole". I would first have to forgive myself for my foolishness.. (which would very difficult to do).

Even though there had been inclement weather the day before the accident, every law enforcement official stated that the road was clear.  The pictures of the accident scene showed clear roads.  Why the van lost control on a straight road when it hit black ice is something that can not be determined. 

Job 14:5  Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

 

[OZZY]

I wouldn't know what to do if I lost my daughter because I spun out on some ice and hit a huge "pole". I would first have to forgive myself for my foolishness.. (which would very difficult to do).

Even though there had been inclement weather the day before the accident, every law enforcement official stated that the road was clear.  The pictures of the accident scene showed clear roads.  Why the van lost control on a straight road when it hit black ice is something that can not be determined. 

Job 14:5  Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

The night before there were numerous warning on all the local channels about the possibility of black ice the next morning.

 

[christundivided]

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

(Psalm 139:16 ESV)

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If you'd like, I can provide a whole lot more verses pertaining to the absolute sovereignty of God.

Sorta like...

Thine eyes saw my unwrought substance, and all men shall be written in thy book; they shall be formed by day, though there should for a time be no one among them.

You really should get to know the LXX. It might help you a little to understand obscure Hebrew references.

 

[christundivided]

CU said:

Believe such if you want.... I'm sure it makes some people "feel" better.....Everything about such beliefs make me sick to my stomach.

When you base your theology on what you "feel," whether good or bad,  you get bad theology.

What is true is what is revealed in the Scriptures.

"Fate" is an impersonal, arbitrary force. History is being written out by a personal, powerful Creator who loves his creation and wants the best for his people, not by some impersonal "fate."

When someone denies that God's providential control of events can't extend to the exact time and circumstances of even a child's death, they are arguing from a position of effective unbelief, because they have revealed that they do not trust God to do right.

God didn't have anything to do with it Ransom. God didn't make the Van they drove it. God didn't fashion the road the ice formed on. MAN did.

To say God had something to do with it like God giving a man fire to warm himself and man taking that fire to form a weapon to kill his neighbor.

Does your conscience "feel"? I know you know the phrase "conscience seared".

While I do not base on beliefs on "feeling"... don't tell me that your conscience does affect your choices.

 

[Ransom]

God didn't have anything to do with it Ransom. God didn't make the Van they drove it. God didn't fashion the road the ice formed on. MAN did.

To say God had something to do with it like God giving a man fire to warm himself and man taking that fire to form a weapon to kill his neighbor.

Thank you for admitting you're a Deist, not a Christian.

Does your conscience "feel"?

What in Hyles' name does my conscience have to do with it? I don't determine theology by conscience either.

 

[christundivided]

God didn't have anything to do with it Ransom. God didn't make the Van they drove it. God didn't fashion the road the ice formed on. MAN did.

To say God had something to do with it like God giving a man fire to warm himself and man taking that fire to form a weapon to kill his neighbor.

Thank you for admitting you're a Deist, not a Christian.

I openly confess Christ as my Redeemer...... and I'm a firm believer in God's supernatural intervention in the affairs of mankind. I've even stood for the Trinity many times around you. You know I'm not a Deist.

However, this does mean that I accept that everything that occurs in this life comes from the divine hand of God.

Does your conscience "feel"?

What in Hyles' name does my conscience have to do with it? I don't determine theology by conscience either.

You can not talk of "conscience" without talking of "feeling". IF, you do not "feel" what you believe.... then you are past feeling. Feelings do not rule us but they DO comfort us.

 

[rsc2a]

To say God has power over death is different than saying God kills people.

I read one time in the Bible... (you may remember it) where God actually killed someone. In fact, I read it more than once and it happened to more than one person.

Now the Bible doesn't say God KILLS everyone. In fact, I think such things are rather silly.

Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.

(Psalm 139:16 ESV)

---

If you'd like, I can provide a whole lot more verses pertaining to the absolute sovereignty of God.

Sorta like...

Thine eyes saw my unwrought substance, and all men shall be written in thy book; they shall be formed by day, though there should for a time be no one among them.

You really should get to know the LXX. It might help you a little to understand obscure Hebrew references.

"your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." - NIV

"You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed." - NLT

"Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them." - NASB

"Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in Your book and planned before a single one of them began." - HCSB

"but with your own eyes  you saw  my body being formed.  Even before I was born, you had written in your book  everything I would do." - CEV

"Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them." - NKJV

...and for giggles...

"Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth; all the stages of my life were spread out before you,  The days of my life all prepared before I'd even lived one day." - The Message