Morality has come a long way baby!

[FSSL]

I love Alayman's quote because it represents moralism as opposed to biblical morality.

Sure, why not?  I mean, the FFF mantra is "We're FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee", and demands that culture determine such matters of morality,  moral relativism being their compass.
Cigarettes are great.
AC/DC for our worship music.
Gambling RULES!
Liquor up, Luther did!!
Eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow we die!!!

Genuine, biblical morality has been modified to include smoking, music, gambling, drinking.

The Bible is absolutely silent on smoking. It never addresses the styles of music as one being bad and another good. Gambling... show us some Scripture on that. While drunkenness is not even debatable, drinking with moderation is not a biblical sin.

Why are we focused on these? Why is it that a 1980s Christianity is being used as the standard for biblical living?

Why not focus on some real issues!

• Laziness - 2 Thess 3 speaks about the pernicious sin of idleness. Some are on the forum all day long while they should be preparing for their sermons that evening.
• Flaunting your "Christian" lifestyle - Matt 6 speaks about flaunting the fact that you don't listen to AC/DC, you don't smoke, you are a teetotaler.
• Judging - Matthew 7 makes it clear that judging people on non-issues while you have your own obvious, undealt with, faults is of the devil

Lazy, Flaunting, Judging Christians have created their own freedom from the demands of Scripture while they are expecting others to abide by man-made, cultural rules.

Imagine a world of churches where real sins, such as these, were handled by the loving and gentle spirit of Christians.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I don't smoke, but I don't believe it's sinful, so I'll use smoking as an example. 

Imagine three people, on all outward appearances, all of them seem alike.  They all claim to be Christians.  They all lead relatively normal lives.  One of them smokes.  The other two do not. 

Now suppose that if you could read their minds, you'd discover one of them is just a white-washed tomb. 

I'd bet you 10 to 1 it wouldn't be the smoker. 

 

[Izdaari]

I don't smoke, but I don't believe it's sinful, so I'll use smoking as an example. 

Imagine three people, on all outward appearances, all of them seem alike.  They all claim to be Christians.  They all lead relatively normal lives.  One of them smokes.  The other two do not. 

Now suppose that if you could read their minds, you'd discover one of them is just a white-washed tomb. 

I'd bet you 10 to 1 it wouldn't be the smoker.

Your point is well taken.  :-*

I don't believe smoking is sinful either, but I do believe it's unhealthy and unattractive, and that kissing a smoker really does taste like licking an ashtray.

And also that people with self-destructive tendencies usually have smoking as part of the syndrome. Smoking doesn't necessarily mean you are that way... but if you are that way, you almost certainly smoke.

I would not say smoking is sinful or immoral... but I would say, to me, it's very unappealing. As a rule, I do not date smokers. I've made exceptions... but they have to be really awesome otherwise to overcome such a big negative.

 

[standingtall]

As a rule, I do not date smokers. I've made exceptions... but they have to be really awesome otherwise to overcome such a big negative.

IOW,  he'd have to have a "perfect" tan.  lol.

 

[Izdaari]

As a rule, I do not date smokers. I've made exceptions... but they have to be really awesome otherwise to overcome such a big negative.

IOW,  he'd have to have a "perfect" tan.  lol.

Do you know the Liz Phair song "Supernova"? 

(Though Liz Phair is probably not a very popular artist here. I think I've posted some of her work in the "What are you listening to?" thread, but I had to choose them very carefully.)

 

[ALAYMAN]

lol, seems somebody has a man-crush, and apparently way more time spent on this forum than us "lazy" Christians.


Hey FSSL, I preached to the captives in jail this past Sunday how Christ is their sin offering if they place their faith in Him, and I'll be preaching tonight about our ministry of reconciliation.  You are welcome to come and get some real preaching, if you ain't too busy sipping your daquiris and smokin' your stoagies while jammin' to some Switchfoot. 

 

[Bob]

I don't smoke, but I don't believe it's sinful, so I'll use smoking as an example. 

Imagine three people, on all outward appearances, all of them seem alike.  They all claim to be Christians.  They all lead relatively normal lives.  One of them smokes.  The other two do not. 

Now suppose that if you could read their minds, you'd discover one of them is just a white-washed tomb. 

I'd bet you 10 to 1 it wouldn't be the smoker.

Smoking is not a sin.  Why do Fundies constantly harp on it?

 

[FSSL]

... and apparently way more time spent on this forum than us "lazy" Christians.

Hardly... compare my 2 posts a day to your 7... When preparing a lesson, you would not find me on here.

Hey FSSL, I preached to the captives in jail this past Sunday how Christ is their sin offering if they place their faith in Him, and I'll be preaching tonight about our ministry of reconciliation.  You are welcome to come and get some real preaching, if you ain't too busy sipping your daquiris and smokin' your stoagies while jammin' to some Switchfoot.

I hope you are avoiding Matthew 6:1.

It is spelled daiquiri, and stogie. But no thanks, I might listen to Switchfoot, but I prefer Third Day, Casting Crowns, Matthew West and a bit of Classic Rock is always there.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=FSSL] But no thanks, I might listen to Switchfoot, but I prefer Third Day, Casting Crowns, Matthew West and a bit of Classic Rock is always there.[/quote]

Their latest album is excellent.  8)

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]Hardly... compare my 2 posts a day to your 7[/quote]

So, is your selective school marm chiding limited to only me, or are you going to monitor Tbone and various other posters with similar statistics.

... When preparing a lesson, you would not find me on here.

Well by all means your ethics and priorities ought to be imposed upon everybody else.  How very legalistic of you.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Someone on http://www/stufffundieslike.com recently posted a quote from a radio preacher:

"Legalism is when your conviction becomes my obligation."

 

[Aviator]

Smoking is not a sin.  Why do Fundies constantly harp on it?

'Cause Jack Hyles said it was a sin.

 

[FSSL]

[quote author=FSSL]Hardly... compare my 2 posts a day to your 7

So, is your selective school marm chiding limited to only me, or are you going to monitor Tbone and various other posters with similar statistics.[/quote]

You claimed I was on here all day. Keep your discussion straight... Oh yeah... you are unable to do so.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

I love Alayman's quote because it represents moralism as opposed to biblical morality.

Sure, why not?  I mean, the FFF mantra is "We're FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee", and demands that culture determine such matters of morality,  moral relativism being their compass.
Cigarettes are great.
AC/DC for our worship music.
Gambling RULES!
Liquor up, Luther did!!
Eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow we die!!!

Genuine, biblical morality has been modified to include smoking, music, gambling, drinking.

The Bible is absolutely silent on smoking. It never addresses the styles of music as one being bad and another good. Gambling... show us some Scripture on that. While drunkenness is not even debatable, drinking with moderation is not a biblical sin.

Why are we focused on these? Why is it that a 1980s Christianity is being used as the standard for biblical living?

Why not focus on some real issues!

• Laziness - 2 Thess 3 speaks about the pernicious sin of idleness. Some are on the forum all day long while they should be preparing for their sermons that evening.
• Flaunting your "Christian" lifestyle - Matt 6 speaks about flaunting the fact that you don't listen to AC/DC, you don't smoke, you are a teetotaler.
• Judging - Matthew 7 makes it clear that judging people on non-issues while you have your own obvious, undealt with, faults is of the devil

Lazy, Flaunting, Judging Christians have created their own freedom from the demands of Scripture while they are expecting others to abide by man-made, cultural rules.
Imagine a world of churches where real sins, such as these, were handled by the loving and gentle spirit of Christians.

I don't see where God tells us to be moral.  I don't really like that term, as it is very subjective, and leads to situational ethics, imo.
But God does tell us not to be wordly.  That term is also open to interpretation, and I won't rehash it as we have on another thread.  I think it includes not indulging in the culture when the culture is against God, or promotes ungodliness.  I am sorry, you take up for it, but rock music lyrics are anti-God, anti-family, time and time again.  So you continue there if you like, and we will all see at the Bema Seat. I could say the same thing about the lottery:  It goes against the command to be content with what you have.

We are told to be holy, not conducting ourselves after behavior of this world.  1 Peter 1:15-17 (HCSB)
15 But as the One who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct;
16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy.
17 And if you address as Father the One who judges impartially based on each one

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=jimmudcatgrant]That term is also open to interpretation, and I won't rehash it as we have on another thread.  I think it includes not indulging in the culture when the culture is against God, or promotes ungodliness.  I am sorry, you take up for it, but rock music lyrics are anti-God, anti-family, time and time again.  So you continue there if you like, and we will all see at the Bema Seat. I could say the same thing about the lottery:  It goes against the command to be content with what you have.[/quote]

Since you never answered before, I'll ask again...


Feeling like a refugee
Like it don't belong to me
The colors flash across the sky

This air feels strange to me
Feeling like a tragedy
I take a deep breath and close my eyes
One last time
One last time

Storms on the wasteland
Dark clouds on the plains again
We were born into the fight

But I'm not sentimental
This skin and bones is a rental
And no one makes it out alive

Until I die I'll sing these songs
On the shores of Babylon
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Where the weak are finally strong
Where the righteous right the wrongs
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Feels like we're just waiting, waiting
While our hearts are just breaking, breaking
Feels like we've been fighting against the tide

I wanna see the earth start shaking
I wanna see a generation
Finally waking up inside

Until I die I'll sing these songs
On the shores of Babylon
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Where the weak are finally strong
Where the righteous right the wrongs
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

This body's not my own
This world is not my own
But I still can hear the sound
Of my heart beating out
So let's go boys, play it loud

On the final day I die
I want to hold my head up high
I want to tell You that I tried
To live it like a song

And when I reach the other side
I want to look You in the eye
And know that I've arrived
In a world where I belong
In a world where I belong
In a world where I belong

Where I belong
Where I belong

Where I belong

Where I belong

I still believe we can live forever
You and I we begin forever now
Forever now
Forever
I still believe in us together
You and I we're here together now
Together now
Forever now
Forever now
Forever now
Forever
Forever


...go ahead and show me where those lyrics "questions whether there is a God, promotes immorality by glorifying it, [and] promotes rebellion against parents" and I'll add "anti-God, anti-family".

Would you rather acknowledge that the lyrics are teaching solid Biblical truths, or do I need to smack you over the head with the verses?

 

[brianb]

I don't smoke, but I don't believe it's sinful, so I'll use smoking as an example. 

Imagine three people, on all outward appearances, all of them seem alike.  They all claim to be Christians.  They all lead relatively normal lives.  One of them smokes.  The other two do not. 

Now suppose that if you could read their minds, you'd discover one of them is just a white-washed tomb. 

I'd bet you 10 to 1 it wouldn't be the smoker.

Your point is well taken.  :-*

I don't believe smoking is sinful either, but I do believe it's unhealthy and unattractive, and that kissing a smoker really does taste like licking an ashtray.

And also that people with self-destructive tendencies usually have smoking as part of the syndrome. Smoking doesn't necessarily mean you are that way... but if you are that way, you almost certainly smoke.

I would not say smoking is sinful or immoral... but I would say, to me, it's very unappealing. As a rule, I do not date smokers. I've made exceptions... but they have to be really awesome otherwise to overcome such a big negative.

They are also highly addictive to most smokers - most smokers are very grouchy if they can't have a cigarette when they have a craving.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=FSSL]Hardly... compare my 2 posts a day to your 7

So, is your selective school marm chiding limited to only me, or are you going to monitor Tbone and various other posters with similar statistics.

You claimed I was on here all day. Keep your discussion straight... Oh yeah... you are unable to do so.
[/quote]

Either you're losing it, or maybe a bit schizoid buddy.  Here's the statement YOU made in the OP...


Laziness - 2 Thess 3 speaks about the pernicious sin of idleness. Some are on the forum all day long while they should be preparing for their sermons that evening.

Yeah, try to keep your discussion straight, cuz goodness knows your theology Hoovers.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

They are also highly addictive to most smokers - most smokers are very grouchy if they can't have a cigarette when they have a craving.

They are also highly addictive to most coffee drinkers - most coffee drinkers are very grouchy if they can't have coffee when they have a craving.

 

[jimmudcatgrant]

[quote author=jimmudcatgrant]That term is also open to interpretation, and I won't rehash it as we have on another thread.  I think it includes not indulging in the culture when the culture is against God, or promotes ungodliness.  I am sorry, you take up for it, but rock music lyrics are anti-God, anti-family, time and time again.  So you continue there if you like, and we will all see at the Bema Seat. I could say the same thing about the lottery:  It goes against the command to be content with what you have.

Since you never answered before, I'll ask again...


Feeling like a refugee
Like it don't belong to me
The colors flash across the sky

This air feels strange to me
Feeling like a tragedy
I take a deep breath and close my eyes
One last time
One last time

Storms on the wasteland
Dark clouds on the plains again
We were born into the fight

But I'm not sentimental
This skin and bones is a rental
And no one makes it out alive

Until I die I'll sing these songs
On the shores of Babylon
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Where the weak are finally strong
Where the righteous right the wrongs
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Feels like we're just waiting, waiting
While our hearts are just breaking, breaking
Feels like we've been fighting against the tide

I wanna see the earth start shaking
I wanna see a generation
Finally waking up inside

Until I die I'll sing these songs
On the shores of Babylon
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

Where the weak are finally strong
Where the righteous right the wrongs
Still looking for a home
In a world where I belong

This body's not my own
This world is not my own
But I still can hear the sound
Of my heart beating out
So let's go boys, play it loud

On the final day I die
I want to hold my head up high
I want to tell You that I tried
To live it like a song

And when I reach the other side
I want to look You in the eye
And know that I've arrived
In a world where I belong
In a world where I belong
In a world where I belong

Where I belong
Where I belong

Where I belong

Where I belong

I still believe we can live forever
You and I we begin forever now
Forever now
Forever
I still believe in us together
You and I we're here together now
Together now
Forever now
Forever now
Forever now
Forever
Forever


...go ahead and show me where those lyrics "questions whether there is a God, promotes immorality by glorifying it, [and] promotes rebellion against parents" and I'll add "anti-God, anti-family".

Would you rather acknowledge that the lyrics are teaching solid Biblical truths, or do I need to smack you over the head with the verses?
[/quote]

Those verses do not speak of God either. They are too general in nature to know what they mean.  But in your mind, I guess they are the gospel. If so, that is ridiculous.  BTW, I did answer.  I said I could show you multiple songs that are anti-God and anti-family, etc.  Would you like for me to do that?  You know I can.  Do you defend those songs? 

 

[FSSL]

So, is your selective school marm chiding limited to only me, or are you going to monitor Tbone and various other posters with similar statistics....Here's the statement YOU made in the OP...

Here is the statement YOU made which is what I was posting about:
"... and apparently way more time spent on this forum than us "lazy" Christians."

That is why monitoring Tbone (et al) has nothing to do with this. Keep up.