Modern, unsound, nonscriptural doctrine of KJV-onlyism
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To what end? There are only Received Text sources in the King James.
The manuscripts supplied by Erasmus, who published and noted the Received Text and in no means created it, simply passed on the traditional and received text. Even Westcott and Hort admitted this. That text, known at the time of the translation as the Byzantine text (also known as the “Syrian” “Antiochian” and “Received” texts) was the text from the original Gospel accounts and letters of the Apostles. That source...
It is a fact that 99% of the manuscripts used agreed. Or at least it was a fact. And we could go round and round all day on this particular road. I don't intend to
So then, let me ask you a question... Where did Origen get his material from to create the Alexandrian text?
So then, let me ask you a question... Where did Origen get his material from to create the Alexandrian text?
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My friend, if you are using books translated from the WH texts, your most certainly are dealing with Origens work. Neither here nor there. though. And I don't consider what they are asserting as lies. Thanks for your time. I'm done.
From the Novum Testamentum Graece website:
"The 26th edition, which appeared in 1979, featured a fundamentally new approach. Until then the guiding principle had been to adopt the text supported by a majority of the critical editions referred to. Now the text was established on the basis of source material that had been assembled and evaluated in the intervening period. It included early papyri and other manuscript discoveries, so that the 26th edition represented the situation of textual criticism in the 20th century. Its text was identical with that of the 3rd edition of the UBS Greek New Testament (GNT) published in 1975, as a consequence of the parallel work done on both editions. Already in 1955 Kurt Aland was invited to participate in an editorial committee with Matthew Black, Bruce M. Metzger, Alan Wikgren, and at first Arthur Vööbus, later Carlo Martini (and, from 1982, Barbara Aland and Johannes Karavidopoulos) to produce a reliable hand edition of the Greek New Testament."
So unless Origen ran around the world altering the writings of the church fathers, then planted various papyri and manuscripts, the modern translations are not beholden to Origens work alone-there is plenty out there to compare and contrast it against.
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SC1 said: "These guys [Westcott and Hort] spent more time dabbling in the occult, than they did the "Good things of God". . . . Is that where you put your trust of your source material?"
Naaaaah - I put my trust in the racist, wife-bruising, original manuscript-rejecting, false-date-setting-for-the-Rapture heretic Peter Ruckman, who publicly admitted that he was demon-possessed. All hail to Dead Petey, wherever he is now.
Naaaaah - I put my trust in the racist, wife-bruising, original manuscript-rejecting, false-date-setting-for-the-Rapture heretic Peter Ruckman, who publicly admitted that he was demon-possessed. All hail to Dead Petey, wherever he is now.
Appears the newest KJVO-ite ran out of talking points. If it helps he could subscribe to Gail's newsletter.
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Maybe this would do SC1 more good for deprogramming purposes. If we are going to reject Westcott and Hort for being occultists, then logically we have to reject Rucky and Gail the Ripper and all of their "scholarship" on the same basis.
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This is an excellent refutation of the occultist and false teacher, Gail A. Riplinger, who claims to have been married only one time, but in fact has been married three times (divorced twice). It has been proven to me by this book and other books that I have read that Riplinger is a pathological liar. Waite states that he has the documentation to prove it and I believe him. Stringer has proof that Riplinger is an occultist and has a "messiah" complex. Moreover, O'Brien has documented irrefutable proof that Riplinger has great difficulty telling the truth.
This book is an item by item rebuttal of Gail Riplinger's 61 page diatribe entitled "Treason," in which she apparently libeled the Waites and others. Much of it reads like a soap opera, so it is quite entertaining, but on the other hand, it is eye-opening, because the reader gets to 'see' inside of the heads of Waite and Riplinger by their writings at a level that you wouldn't otherwise get to see. For this reason alone, the book is worth reading even if you don't agree with Waite on all points. This is because it becomes quickly apparent that Riplinger is a liar and false teacher on many points.
Furthermore, Riplinger's multiple inspiration theory is just plain baloney. There is NOTHING in Scripture to support that idea. Psalm 12:6-7 doesn't support it except by EXTREME conjectural thinking and neither does ANY OTHER PASSAGE in Scripture. You folk that think otherwise need to READ some more books. Don't just read books that support your position, read books in opposition to your viewpoint AND filter it ALL through the Bible. Quit listening to Ruckman and Riplinger and start listening to the Holy Spirit. Satan wants you to believe this false KJ inspiration stuff so he can deceive the next generation.
5.0 out of 5 stars The Truth and Nothing but the Truth [Amazon Review]
Reviewed in the United States on September 6, 2015
This is an excellent refutation of the occultist and false teacher, Gail A. Riplinger, who claims to have been married only one time, but in fact has been married three times (divorced twice). It has been proven to me by this book and other books that I have read that Riplinger is a pathological liar. Waite states that he has the documentation to prove it and I believe him. Stringer has proof that Riplinger is an occultist and has a "messiah" complex. Moreover, O'Brien has documented irrefutable proof that Riplinger has great difficulty telling the truth.
This book is an item by item rebuttal of Gail Riplinger's 61 page diatribe entitled "Treason," in which she apparently libeled the Waites and others. Much of it reads like a soap opera, so it is quite entertaining, but on the other hand, it is eye-opening, because the reader gets to 'see' inside of the heads of Waite and Riplinger by their writings at a level that you wouldn't otherwise get to see. For this reason alone, the book is worth reading even if you don't agree with Waite on all points. This is because it becomes quickly apparent that Riplinger is a liar and false teacher on many points.
Furthermore, Riplinger's multiple inspiration theory is just plain baloney. There is NOTHING in Scripture to support that idea. Psalm 12:6-7 doesn't support it except by EXTREME conjectural thinking and neither does ANY OTHER PASSAGE in Scripture. You folk that think otherwise need to READ some more books. Don't just read books that support your position, read books in opposition to your viewpoint AND filter it ALL through the Bible. Quit listening to Ruckman and Riplinger and start listening to the Holy Spirit. Satan wants you to believe this false KJ inspiration stuff so he can deceive the next generation.
I'll say it for them. "Isn't it amazing how God can work through wicked men".Maybe this would do SC1 more good for deprogramming purposes. If we are going to reject Westcott and Hort for being occultists, then logically we have to reject Rucky and Gail the Ripper and all of their "scholarship" on the same basis.
5.0 out of 5 stars The Truth and Nothing but the Truth [Amazon Review]
Reviewed in the United States on September 6, 2015
This is an excellent refutation of the occultist and false teacher, Gail A. Riplinger, who claims to have been married only one time, but in fact has been married three times (divorced twice). It has been proven to me by this book and other books that I have read that Riplinger is a pathological liar. Waite states that he has the documentation to prove it and I believe him. Stringer has proof that Riplinger is an occultist and has a "messiah" complex. Moreover, O'Brien has documented irrefutable proof that Riplinger has great difficulty telling the truth.
This book is an item by item rebuttal of Gail Riplinger's 61 page diatribe entitled "Treason," in which she apparently libeled the Waites and others. Much of it reads like a soap opera, so it is quite entertaining, but on the other hand, it is eye-opening, because the reader gets to 'see' inside of the heads of Waite and Riplinger by their writings at a level that you wouldn't otherwise get to see. For this reason alone, the book is worth reading even if you don't agree with Waite on all points. This is because it becomes quickly apparent that Riplinger is a liar and false teacher on many points.
Furthermore, Riplinger's multiple inspiration theory is just plain baloney. There is NOTHING in Scripture to support that idea. Psalm 12:6-7 doesn't support it except by EXTREME conjectural thinking and neither does ANY OTHER PASSAGE in Scripture. You folk that think otherwise need to READ some more books. Don't just read books that support your position, read books in opposition to your viewpoint AND filter it ALL through the Bible. Quit listening to Ruckman and Riplinger and start listening to the Holy Spirit. Satan wants you to believe this false KJ inspiration stuff so he can deceive the next generation.
Remember it's only an issue if it's someone who is involved with the newer versions. All the KJV side we aren't to judge.
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That certainly would have expaneded his horizons.
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Heck . . . Riplinger calls Herman C. Hoskier (or Hermann, as she can't decide on the spelling) "the world's pre-eminent manuscript scholar" (New Age Bible Versions, 4). If Westcott and Hort are alleged to have been involved in the occult, then the KJVers are really in trouble. From Hoskier's Concerning the Text of the Apocalypse:
I have laid under tribute, for what it may be worth, one of the most reliable and successful of our investigators of psychic (or intercosmic) phenomena by dragging to my net at xxi.4 the only example of which I have cognisance of spirit-communication from an entity who was a bit of a textual critic, or at any rate one who was acquainted with various readings. I refer to a communication of the whole of this verse from the air, obtained by Baron Goldenstubbe on the 28 Oct. 1856, in the presence of a reliable witness (Count D'Ourches).... This is quite an interesting adjunct to our studies. It was not a case of automatic writing. In all these experiments the writing was done by the communicator without human hands or instruments. See Goldenstubbe, "La réalité des Esprits," Paris 1857. (Hoskier, Concerning the Text of the Apocalypse, vol. 1 [London: Bernard Quaritch, 1929], xxxviii, emphasis added.)
He then cites that same work by Goldenstubbe, La Réalité des Esprits, in his apparatus on Rev. 21:4 (vol. 2, p. 575). Which is to say Herman[n] Hoskier actually believed "spirit-communication" from a supposed dead textual critic provided information about the text of Revelation significant enough to put in a scholarly work of textual criticism!
KJVers like to make much of Westcott and Hort's supposed (and mythical) connection to the Society for Psychical Research. Baron Goldstubbe, on the other hand, was actually published in their journals.
Just chat on. It's best to just leave a fool in his folly!