Mission Boards

[Tarheel Baptist]

The problem with the SBC is not they have a cooperative mission program.  It is that churches have very little control on where the money goes.  They are all required to give to one big fund that is controlled by the convention (at least that is how I understand it.)  They might spend money on colleges that have atheists as teachers.  They might support organizations that go against what the church believes.  Independent Baptists control where the mission money goes.  We can still give cooperatively, remain independent, and ensure that the money our members give to missions is spent in a way the church agrees upon.

As one who was an IFB Pastor for 30 years and an SBC Pastor for 3 years (all in the same church), I have not found that to be true...at all!

 

[cpizzle]

Don't just tell me that my post is wrong (I very well may have a misunderstanding of the SBC missions program), please tell me how it actually does work.  If I have the wrong idea, set me straight. 

I know that the teaching of evolution at Baylor was one of the main catalysts for the Independent Baptist movement. 

I got an accredited BS from a Cumberland Presbyterian college after graduating HAC.  One of my teachers was a homosexual atheist.  Now, he did not teach any Bible courses (he taught business courses).  However, on our first day, he told us that the Bible was just written by a bunch of men that put in what they wanted.  He also showed a video that had naked women (fully exposed) causing me to politely leave the class for the day.  Part of his salary was paid by the tithes and offerings of Cumberland Presbyterian church members.  A portion of their giving went to a cooperative mission program that also supported this school. 

Do you want one penny of your spiritual giving to pay the salary of someone who tries to hurt the faith of students?

How is this any different from SBC missions?  I am sure they send money to some schools or other causes that people might have a problem with.  Honest question?

 

[FSSL]

Look at the various scallywags who profited from the tuition at HAC...

IFBs do not have a clean record in using cooperative money.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Don't just tell me that my post is wrong (I very well may have a misunderstanding of the SBC missions program), please tell me how it actually does work.  If I have the wrong idea, set me straight. 

I know that the teaching of evolution at Baylor was one of the main catalysts for the Independent Baptist movement. 

I got an accredited BS from a Cumberland Presbyterian college after graduating HAC.  One of my teachers was a homosexual atheist.  Now, he did not teach any Bible courses (he taught business courses).  However, on our first day, he told us that the Bible was just written by a bunch of men that put in what they wanted.  He also showed a video that had naked women (fully exposed) causing me to politely leave the class for the day.  Part of his salary was paid by the tithes and offerings of Cumberland Presbyterian church members.  A portion of their giving went to a cooperative mission program that also supported this school. 

Do you want one penny of your spiritual giving to pay the salary of someone who tries to hurt the faith of students?

How is this any different from SBC missions?  I am sure they send money to some schools or other causes that people might have a problem with.  Honest question?

You are, I believe, going on what was once true, perhaps. As to colleges in the SBC, the conservative leadership in the convention has severed financial ties because of such conflicts.

With the exception of the five theological colleges associated with SBC seminaries, the Southern Baptist Convention has no direct connection with any of these (undergraduate)institutions. It provides no funding. It elects no trustees.

There has been an on-going battle in the convention for the past 20 years or so over many issues from the past that have resulted in major changes. That also goes for changes in the requirements for foreign and domestic missionaries.

Our church joined the SBC about 3 years ago and the only thing that has changed is that we send a monthly gift, which we designate, to the state SBC. In the past 3 years, we have received programs, consulting services and an abundance of material from the SBC...with no conditions, restrictions or strings attached.

To join the SBC, we signed a doctrinal statement...one which I think any fundamentalist could sign...and we sent them a check....no minimum amount was required or requested. To stop being an SBC church, we could begin to declare an un Biblical belief or practice...last year 2 churches in the state were excommunicated by the SBC over gay marriage, I believe.

Frankly, there was much more pressure to be a certain way in the local IFB fellowship than I've felt in the entire stat SBC association.

 

[Fresh Air]

Frankly, there was much more pressure to be a certain way in the local IFB fellowship than I've felt in the entire stat SBC association.

You are measuring prematurely. There will be an accumulated generational pressure that you will not live to see.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Frankly, there was much more pressure to be a certain way in the local IFB fellowship than I've felt in the entire stat SBC association.

You are measuring prematurely. There will be an accumulated generational pressure that you will not live to see.

Tom, you and I are forever set in our conclusions to this 'argument'.

But in spite of that ....
That is a broad statement based in no semblance of fact or evidence.
As opposed to keeping ones family in First Baptist in Hammond for decades all the while having to explain why we disagree with our pastor and church policy and actions?

I have found the SBC to be refreshing as to interaction among Pastors and churches...again as opposed to my experience in I FB circles.

And they have not had a bad influence on me, Tom...we had a screen and drums before we joined!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

As to how the SBC missions program works.

A few years ago, we had a couple in our church 'surrender to serve in a foreign country as missionaries. They had to get accepted by a mission board, try to get meetings to present their ministry in churches.....a horribly long and exasperating ordeal in itself.....wait for theses highly inefficient churches to decide if and then how much they would give them. Almost 4 years later, they go to the field, slightly under-funded.

Last year, we had another couple do the same. They applied to the SBC as Missionaries. They jumped through some hoops, mainly as to doctrinal agreement, and went through extensive training. Then they went to the field, fully funded.