Joy Evans Ryder petition to roll back 5 year statue of limitations in Indiana

[lnf]

Ugh, ugh, ugh...the whole thing makes me sick!  Shame on us, that we would ever allow our children to be abused and then brush it off with the reasoning of "he is God's anointed"...or "he is the son on God's anointed"! 

I'm not talking only about this particular case of "covered" sin.  It's common enough in Christianity, it seems, from the problems in the Catholic church all the way through to our own Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches and beyond.   

 

[prophet]

Joy names her rapist, her youth pastor.

Update on petition.


http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Indiana-petition-to-change-sexual-assault-law-gains-momentum-254991651.html

Out of all the things at FBC and HAC that are nuts, I think this must be one of the worst.  How was Mr. HAC (called that many times by Jack Hyles), Wendell Evans ok with his 15 year old daughter being raped by the FBC youth pastor?  As a father, I don't understand at all his lack of action for the last 30+ years.

I totally agree Timmy. Makes you think on the phrase he repeated many times, "Do Right until the stars fall".

Balaam

It seems for all the big talk and pithy statements there wasn't a lot of manhood to go around.

Sadly, I find this in myself. 



Anishinaabe

 

[sword]

Other than Joy how many other girls did Dave prey on. How were they able to keep them all quiet.

How many staff members knew but never warned the Church in Texas.

How can people still say Jack Hyles knew nothing about Dave activities  in as youth pastor in Hammond?

 

[Sherryh]

Joy told her dad what dh was doing because she had her dad come to hotel to see for himself. Bro Hyles knew about dh why he did nothing is unknown. unknown about staff members but every security guard knew about dh

 

[brainisengaged]

Don't you scratch your head in bewilderment every time you read where Lot offered up his daughters? He thought he was doing the right thing, and saw his daughters as 'collateral damage'.

As bewildering as the account is to read, the very thing was played out in the life of Wendell & Marlene Evans. They saw their daughter as collateral damage in their quest to align with Jack Hyles and save the world. They probably think that their sacrifice was necessary in order to achieve the greater good. They may be looking forward to considerable reward in Heaven one day....but I have to wonder if God won't instead bring up 1Ti 5:8    "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Joy told her dad what dh was doing because she had her dad come to hotel to see for himself.

huh?  Care to elaborate, without graphic details?

 

[RAIDER]

It is so hard to figure out the truth in this mixed up mess.  While it is easy to say, "this and this happened" it is also hard to believe if it was known so openly why "this and this" did not happen.  Very confusing indeed.

 

[Ev]

It is so hard to figure out the truth in this mixed up mess.  While it is easy to say, "this and this happened" it is also hard to believe if it was known so openly why "this and this" did not happen.  Very confusing indeed.

Considering the threats and firings associated most recently with Jack Schaap, I'm surprised any information EVER leaked from FBCH through the years.  Good for Joy for moving forward to help others even though DH will never see a day of jail.

 

[patriotic]

Joy names her rapist, her youth pastor.

Update on petition.


http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Indiana-petition-to-change-sexual-assault-law-gains-momentum-254991651.html

Out of all the things at FBC and HAC that are nuts, I think this must be one of the worst.  How was Mr. HAC (called that many times by Jack Hyles), Wendell Evans ok with his 15 year old daughter being raped by the FBC youth pastor?  As a father, I don't understand at all his lack of action for the last 30+ years.

I totally agree Timmy. Makes you think on the phrase he repeated many times, "Do Right until the stars fall".

....and he often added after a pause, ".....and then still do right!" 

 

[bgwilkinson]

Joy names her rapist, her youth pastor.

Update on petition.


http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Indiana-petition-to-change-sexual-assault-law-gains-momentum-254991651.html

Out of all the things at FBC and HAC that are nuts, I think this must be one of the worst.  How was Mr. HAC (called that many times by Jack Hyles), Wendell Evans ok with his 15 year old daughter being raped by the FBC youth pastor?  As a father, I don't understand at all his lack of action for the last 30+ years.

I totally agree Timmy. Makes you think on the phrase he repeated many times, "Do Right until the stars fall".

....and he often added after a pause, ".....and then still do right!"

Then under their breath they would say so you wouldn't hear it, "in my own eyes".

 

[RAIDER]

I may have missed it in an earlier post, but did Joy say that her mom and dad knew what was going on?

 

[lnf]

I may have missed it in an earlier post, but did Joy say that her mom and dad knew what was going on?

True or not true, I certainly do not know by first-hand observation...but it has been presented on these forums that the Evans' were fully aware of what DH did to their daughter.  If this is not true, I need to repent of my thoughts and the posts I have made here.  I don't know these people at all, but it grieves me that any parent would let this sort of thing go unprosecuted.  If the Evans' are not guilty of this crime against their daughter, I take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about them.

And the same goes for JH.  If he was not aware that his son was a pedophile, then I also take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about him, too.

God knows who did what and who knew what.  I commented, thinking that the facts of this case had been verified.  I'm sorry if I have muddied the truth with my comments.     

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I became a teen after all this had gone down.  As DH came back and things were being said and JH was preaching how we ought to welcome back the prodigal as redeemed, forgiven and acceptable, I started asking questions.

I was told that JH had information brought to his attention, but JH could not accept the accounts.  It certainly seemed JH was heartbroken when, upon Dave's return, Dave wrote a letter telling his dad that all of it was true and even more.  JH seemed truly distraught and broken hearted from the pulpit as he announced it to the church.  I think there was even a short apology to the church from JH. 

I was told, yes, Dr. Evans has a daughter.  She got herself in some trouble a long while back and moved away.  She really doesn't have much to do with her dad, it is really sad.  Next I hear of her is almost a decade later when she is in Paupau New Guinea and WE can't say enough good about her.

 

[Sherryh]

Joy told her dad what dh was doing because she had her dad come to hotel to see for himself.

huh?  Care to elaborate, without graphic details?

All I can remember is she tried to tell her dad ....he did see dh was at hotel and Dr Evans told Bro Hyles he was leaving or dh was leaving...we never understood why it continued and no one did anything.

 

[prophet]

I became a teen after all this had gone down.  As DH came back and things were being said and JH was preaching how we ought to welcome back the prodigal as redeemed, forgiven and acceptable, I started asking questions.

I was told that JH had information brought to his attention, but JH could not accept the accounts.  It certainly seemed JH was heartbroken when, upon Dave's return, Dave wrote a letter telling his dad that all of it was true and even more.  JH seemed truly distraught and broken hearted from the pulpit as he announced it to the church.  I think there was even a short apology to the church from JH. 

I was told, yes, Dr. Evans has a daughter.  She got herself in some trouble a long while back and moved away.  She really doesn't have much to do with her dad, it is really sad.  Next I hear of her is almost a decade later when she is in Paupau New Guinea and WE can't say enough good about her.

Yup, that's about how it went, from our perspective.

One day, O asked my older sister, (who is in that group that had Doc Auc. as a principal at HBHS,  and won't step foot in a Baptist Church again) if there were any rumors as to why Doc.  was moved there, after they had just restructured the Grade School into junior and senior divisions, with Mike Sisson at the helm of the junior, and Doc at the senior, mid year the year before.
We even had all new sports jerseys made up, and the seniors were called the Eagles.

She told me that Dr.Staab, the former Principal, was at odds with leadership, over DH's impropriety.
He was moved out to HAC, to relative obscurity.  Doc.Auc. was brought in, and quickly run off, by the H.S. students.
She said there was more than one girl that they all talked about, that was sleeping with DH.

My sister never trusted Bro.Hyles after this. 
She goes to a Reformed Church.
Many of my friends want nothing to do with Baptists...

To many who post here, this is not so close to home, as it is to a couple of us.
We have dear, dear people to us, who reject us, because of all of this.
Keep this in mind, when you see our perceived "attitude", in our posts.

We are not angry with God.
We are on His side, angry at what offenses have been done in His name.

Anishinaabe

 

[brainisengaged]

prophet said: Keep this in mind, when you see our perceived "attitude", in our posts.

We are not angry with God.
We are on His side, angry at what offenses have been done in His name.

Well said.

 

[brainisengaged]

And in loosely related news, after triumphantly proving Jesus could not have been crucified on 'Good Friday', Bob Gray is now decrying whispering slanderers. Check out the comments at the end of the article...surprised he has not removed them.

http://www.bobgraysr.com/

 

[brainisengaged]

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that when Wendell Evans found out about what was going on involving DH and his daughter, he made an ultimatum to JH that "either he goes or I go" ('he' meaning DH), as Sherryh said. Was Wendell Evans president of HAC at that time, or was he then awarded the Presidency?

She told me that Dr.Staab, the former Principal, was at odds with leadership, over DH's impropriety. He was moved out to HAC, to relative obscurity

I never knew that about Larry Staab. He and his wife are still there to this day. I have always wondered, as I understand him to have a large amount of children because JH used to joke about it...I wondered why all of his children and seemingly all of the children of that era all went away.

Yes, by the time I arrived Joy and Jeff Ryder were exemplary missionaries to Papua New Guinea (which I always admired...and at the time I knew absolutely zero of her past)

 

[RAIDER]

I may have missed it in an earlier post, but did Joy say that her mom and dad knew what was going on?

True or not true, I certainly do not know by first-hand observation...but it has been presented on these forums that the Evans' were fully aware of what DH did to their daughter.  If this is not true, I need to repent of my thoughts and the posts I have made here.  I don't know these people at all, but it grieves me that any parent would let this sort of thing go unprosecuted.  If the Evans' are not guilty of this crime against their daughter, I take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about them.

And the same goes for JH.  If he was not aware that his son was a pedophile, then I also take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about him, too.

God knows who did what and who knew what.  I commented, thinking that the facts of this case had been verified.  I'm sorry if I have muddied the truth with my comments.   

I, like you, have no idea if Dr. Evans knew or not.  Everyone has their, "I heard" story.  I would like to know if Joy says that her dad knew what was going on.

 

[prophet]

I may have missed it in an earlier post, but did Joy say that her mom and dad knew what was going on?

True or not true, I certainly do not know by first-hand observation...but it has been presented on these forums that the Evans' were fully aware of what DH did to their daughter.  If this is not true, I need to repent of my thoughts and the posts I have made here.  I don't know these people at all, but it grieves me that any parent would let this sort of thing go unprosecuted.  If the Evans' are not guilty of this crime against their daughter, I take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about them.

And the same goes for JH.  If he was not aware that his son was a pedophile, then I also take back every single thing I've either posted or thought about him, too.

God knows who did what and who knew what.  I commented, thinking that the facts of this case had been verified.  I'm sorry if I have muddied the truth with my comments.   

I, like you, have no idea if Dr. Evans knew or not.  Everyone has their, "I heard" story.  I would like to know if Joy says that her dad knew what was going on.

SherryH knows, cuz her husband was on security at the time, as she has stated.

Anishinaabe