John 3:16 kosmos doesn't mean all?

[Ransom]

LAMER said:

So long as you amen him where he explicitly affirms that the scope of God's love in some sense is not limited to the lucky lottery winners we're all good.  Of course if you'd have done that a couple of pages ago you could have spared us the melodrama.

Such as here, for example? Try to keep up, LAMER, it's your thread.

 

[redgreen5]

etc.

This makes no sense. 

It seems obvious that context is the guide here, not some deep hidden meaning of kosmos.  Sometimes it's limited ("all the world should be registered"), but then applying that same scope to other verses results in nonsense.

The following texts use the same Greek kosmos, and they are not limited to the immediate group of people around Palestine, or to the known lands at that time:


Matt 13:38
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

Matt 18:7
7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!


Matt 26:13
13 Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.

 

[wheatpenny]

etc.

It seems obvious that context is the guide here, not some deep hidden meaning of kosmos.  Sometimes it's limited ("all the world should be registered"),

That verse doesn't use the word Kosmos. The word translated "world" is "oikoumene".

 

[redgreen5]

etc.

It seems obvious that context is the guide here, not some deep hidden meaning of kosmos.  Sometimes it's limited ("all the world should be registered"),

That verse doesn't use the word Kosmos. The word translated "world" is "oikoumene".

The word in John 3:16 is kosmos:
kosmon
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world

All the verses in Matthew I cited above are also kosmos. You can verify it here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=world%2A+G2889&t=KJV

 

[wheatpenny]

I was referring to Luke 2:1 where it says "all the world". Sorry if I misunderstood what you were referring to.

 

[ALAYMAN]

LAMER said:

So long as you amen him where he explicitly affirms that the scope of God's love in some sense is not limited to the lucky lottery winners we're all good.  Of course if you'd have done that a couple of pages ago you could have spared us the melodrama.

Such as here, for example? Try to keep up, LAMER, it's your thread.

Here's what you said in that link...




Right. Fundamentally the point of the verse is not to explain the extents of God's love - it's to demonstrate the manner of God's love: he loves sinners such that he sent his Son to die so those who believe will not perish.

There's enough ambiguity and equivocation in that statement to slither your way out I suppose, but the case under discussion via the OP was that God loves all sinners (in some sense), and in that regard it is most certainly worthwhile of Luther, Calvin, et al to make the case that the extents of God's love is generally for the kosmos, the whole world.

 

[Ransom]

There's enough ambiguity and equivocation in that statement to slither your way out I suppose

Did mommy teach you those nickel words? Next time, maybe she can teach you what they mean.

 

[ALAYMAN]

There's enough ambiguity and equivocation in that statement to slither your way out I suppose

Did mommy teach you those nickel words? Next time, maybe she can teach you what they mean.

Mea culpa.  I'll be sure and try to use monosyllabic expressions when I'm talkin' to hosers from here on out.

 

[Bob H]

Charles Spurgeon once walked by a blacksmith shop and saw a sign on it which said "much twisting and turning done in here". This thread reminds me of a blacksmith's shop.