Jack Trieber Wants Your Money

[FSSL]

This discussion reminds me of a person who left our church because we started to use the overhead screen for singing.

He contributes articles to a publication called......


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The Projector!

 

[Just John]

Irony?

http://nvpublications.org/booklets/preaching-with-screens-dr-jack-trieber

NVBC Prayer Request - Auditorium LCD Project on Vimeo

But hey, if you buy 5 copies the price drops from 2.95 to 1.95!

You could buy in quantity and start a crusade!!!!  And help them raise money for their screens....

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[Sherryh]

Just john what can we say but you're brilliant 8)

 

[subllibrm]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

 

[kaba]

I'm not fond of screens either. Our church uses them to put the words up of the choir special. Really! What for!!

What is the reason for four pianos? Sell two or three and you would have plenty for screens.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

I find it interesting that he is trying to save the bus ministry. This happened to the church I was in back in the late 90's and he reduced the bus ministry from 8 routes to 2 virtually overnight and never added another route after that. I was captain over one of the remaining routes and the bus was still a bag of bolts piece of junk. But we still bought our new screens and Apple I-Mac to run it. Having said that, I still love the bus ministry and appreciate that Dr. Trieber wants to save it.  He could simply drop it and save himself a lot of heartache and expense. I wonder if he has looked into a leasing/ rental option?

Wonder if Sylvia retired to California?

 

[Fresh Air]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

It's already a problem without screens.  "Church" turned into a theater experience some 1500 years ago. Screens are just part of a logical progression.  If you're okay with "church" being theater, then you should be okay with screens.  If you're not okay with "church" being theater, then you've got a lot of other reversing to do in order to get it back to a true assembly of believers. 

 

[subllibrm]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Not going to argue the point other than to say that hasn't been my experience. One church. One congregation. One screen. Many speakers. I don't even notice the screen.

Now "satellite church" where there is one preacher who is broadcast to several locations where church members gather to watch him would seem to be in line with our concerns. After all, why not just stay home and watch Charles Stanley? Oh, too late. Our local multi site mega church has made it possible for their members to not even bother to go to one of the "campus" buildings. They can stay home and watch the whole thing via on line streaming. I am not sure how that fit with assembling together but they got a lot of press coverage for the "progress" they are making in utilizing technology.

FWIW I do miss using the hymnals when we sing songs with parts. I love harmony but don't do well making up my own. Following the bass line just makes the music richer IMO. That doesn't work with the screen. Small potatoes over all.

 

[sword]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Not going to argue the point other than to say that hasn't been my experience. One church. One congregation. One screen. Many speakers. I don't even notice the screen.

Now "satellite church" where there is one preacher who is broadcast to several locations where church members gather to watch him would seem to be in line with our concerns. After all, why not just stay home and watch Charles Stanley? Oh, too late. Our local multi site mega church has made it possible for their members to not even bother to go to one of the "campus" buildings. They can stay home and watch the whole thing via on line streaming. I am not sure how that fit with assembling together but they got a lot of press coverage for the "progress" they are making in utilizing technology.

FWIW I do miss using the hymnals when we sing songs with parts. I love harmony but don't do well making up my own. Following the bass line just makes the music richer IMO. That doesn't work with the screen. Small potatoes over all.

With the stay at home and watch church model, who would take the offering. I have heard of the direct deposit idea suggested a time or to but I don't know of any churches that do it.

Is the supply of good preachers (pastors) so low we need satellite churchs.

I remember when churches used to support "new" works until they on their feet then they would cut them loose. Soon you would have 2 growing churches to continue the process. That was before "mega churches" were king I guess.

 

[subllibrm]

Is the supply of good preachers (pastors) so low we need satellite churches.

That actually my question when this group built their third building with a 1500 seat auditorium. Out of all of those people there isn't anyone else able to preach?

I am old enough to remember when this church started and built their first building (maybe held 200). It had grown from a home bible study the pastor started in his living room. They moved a couple of times and used school facilities in between building projects. Huge growth. Very well known in the community. Passed all the other megas. And to the tomato's point, they put on a really good show. Just a weird way to "do" church IMO.

 

[16KJV11]

BTW, I'm one of the rare guys still around against screens ...

Just curious why you are against them.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Not going to argue the point other than to say that hasn't been my experience. One church. One congregation. One screen. Many speakers. I don't even notice the screen.

Now "satellite church" where there is one preacher who is broadcast to several locations where church members gather to watch him would seem to be in line with our concerns. After all, why not just stay home and watch Charles Stanley? Oh, too late. Our local multi site mega church has made it possible for their members to not even bother to go to one of the "campus" buildings. They can stay home and watch the whole thing via on line streaming. I am not sure how that fit with assembling together but they got a lot of press coverage for the "progress" they are making in utilizing technology.

FWIW I do miss using the hymnals when we sing songs with parts. I love harmony but don't do well making up my own. Following the bass line just makes the music richer IMO. That doesn't work with the screen. Small potatoes over all.

With the stay at home and watch church model, who would take the offering. I have heard of the direct deposit idea suggested a time or to but I don't know of any churches that do it.

Is the supply of good preachers (pastors) so low we need satellite churchs.

I remember when churches used to support "new" works until they on their feet then they would cut them loose. Soon you would have 2 growing churches to continue the process. That was before "mega churches" were king I guess.

Might it have something to do with 'control'?

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I remember when churches used to support "new" works until they on their feet then they would cut them loose. Soon you would have 2 growing churches to continue the process. That was before "mega churches" were king I guess.

Might it have something to do with 'control'?
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IMO, it has everything to do with pride and gluttony.  Pride of the church leadership that no one else could do this as well as us, so everyone should come here.  Gluttony of the church as a whole.  If new works are started, the big church loses money.  If new works are started, conveniences are lost.  If new works are started, the luxury items are lost and the programs are cut.

 

[Ransom]

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Someone once asked me why I'm against hymnals and pew Bibles in church.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of people bringing in novels and magazines, i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with hymnals and pew Bibles are simply entertainment centres. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Someone once asked me why I'm against hymnals and pew Bibles in church.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of people bringing in novels and magazines, i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with hymnals and pew Bibles are simply entertainment centres. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Killjoy.  I need something to read while the preacher drones on with a message I've heard 100 times before. 

 

[Ransom]

Killjoy.  I need something to read while the preacher drones on with a message I've heard 100 times before. 

Well, I didn't say I had anything against screens, so feel free to be inappropriately entertained by announcements of ladies' socials, Scripture readings, hymn lyrics, and pictures of missionaries.

 

[Fresh Air]

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of becoming something that people watch i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with screens are simply entertainment centers. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Someone once asked me why I'm against hymnals and pew Bibles in church.

The short version is that they inevitably move the church service in the direction of people bringing in novels and magazines, i.e. to be entertained. I'm not saying that all churches with hymnals and pew Bibles are simply entertainment centres. I am saying that I think it moves the arrow in the direction of that eventually becoming a problem.

Exactly. Because churches filled with novels and magazines are a serious problem, but churches with services structured as entertainment venues isn't. Thanks for clearing that up...

 

[Ransom]

Exactly. Because churches filled with novels and magazines are a serious problem, but churches with services structured as entertainment venues isn't.

Apparently, you missed the point.

 

[Just John]

My church starts both new satellite churches and brand new church plants. I think to say "mega-churches are all about money" is very short-sighted and frankly wrong.

There is also a view by too many that all mega-churches are the same. That's really a pretty silly pov. It's as if all IFB churches are the same. They aren't.

 

[JrChurch]

Keep your doctrine pure, focus on the truth.  Screens, hymnals, satellite TV, I mean, church is all peripheral.  Let the local assembly determine its own incidentals.