I've found the new FFF theme song---A Beer with Jesus

Castor Muscular said:
That's a great song.  Thanks for sharing.
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Theology of alcohol consumption aside, your musical acumen may need a bit of adjustment.  ;)
 
I'd love to have a beer or three with Jesus.  I bet he'd enjoy our time together, too. 
 
It would be great to sit and socialize (with whatever beverage) with the Jesus of the gospels. However, I believe when the Jesus of Revelation shows up (which is the Jesus we will see), I think I will be too busy worshiping. I appreciate the sentiments of the singer, and the questions he'd like to ask. But the reality is that those questions will seem insignificant in the presence of the God of the universe (IMO).
 
samspade said:
It would be great to sit and socialize (with whatever beverage) with the Jesus of the gospels. However, I believe when the Jesus of Revelation shows up (which is the Jesus we will see), I think I will be too busy worshiping. I appreciate the sentiments of the singer, and the questions he'd like to ask. But the reality is that those questions will seem insignificant in the presence of the God of the universe (IMO).
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the song was meant to be viewed through the lens of the prophesied return of Jesus.
 
Castor Muscular said:
samspade said:
It would be great to sit and socialize (with whatever beverage) with the Jesus of the gospels. However, I believe when the Jesus of Revelation shows up (which is the Jesus we will see), I think I will be too busy worshiping. I appreciate the sentiments of the singer, and the questions he'd like to ask. But the reality is that those questions will seem insignificant in the presence of the God of the universe (IMO).
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the song was meant to be viewed through the lens of the prophesied return of Jesus.
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I vote for you being wrong.  :P
 
samspade said:
It would be great to sit and socialize (with whatever beverage) with the Jesus of the gospels. However, I believe when the Jesus of Revelation shows up (which is the Jesus we will see), I think I will be too busy worshiping. I appreciate the sentiments of the singer, and the questions he'd like to ask. But the reality is that those questions will seem insignificant in the presence of the God of the universe (IMO).
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I saw this song/video first on Wretched TV (Todd Friel) and their response was similar to what you've stated.  I think our level of revernce and recognition of God's transcendance is generally woefully lacking.  When I say "we" I am speaking of Christians in general, of which Akin may or may not be one.  He went to a Christian Bible college and in his own words "married a sweet Christian girl", so the chances are reasonable that he is singing from a heart that genuinely seeks to know Christ more intimately, albeit cloaked in pop-culture's syrupy country music lyrics.  The general criticism I have, aside from the temptation to launch into a tirade about licentious Christian soaks ;), is that we ought not be less precise in our theological communications, but as precise as permits given the intended audience.  And at worst, I fear it is nothing more than pandering to the sloppy religious sentimentality that accompanies redneck country music.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I saw this song/video first on Wretched TV (Todd Friel) and their response was similar to what you've stated.  I think our level of revernce and recognition of God's transcendance is generally woefully lacking.  When I say "we" I am speaking of Christians in general, of which Akin may or may not be one. 
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So you question his salvation based on the fact that he'd like to have a beer with Jesus?

EDIT:  Since I don't know who Akin is, perhaps I should modify the question:

Would you question the salvation of someone because he'd like to have a beer with Jesus?

 
Castor Muscular said:
So you question his salvation based on the fact that he'd like to have a beer with Jesus?


EDIT:  Since I don't know who Akin is, perhaps I should modify the question:

Would you question the salvation of someone because he'd like to have a beer with Jesus?
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No, I am an abstentionist, not a prohibitionist/teetotaler, so I wouldn't question a person's salvation merely because they choose to drink a beer.  I might question their tastebud's ability to discern between bug pee and sweet nectar however. ;)

The sense in which I said that he "may or may not be a Christian" was more in line with the idea that we as Christians have a moral responsibility to be clear in our communication of theological concepts, particularly when we know our audience is going to be largely composed of people who need the Truth. In that regard, if Akin is a Christian, then I hold him to a higher standard of such "teaching".  If he is not a Christian, then his culpability regarding theological precision is irrelevant, as most likely his goal is not in any way spiritual but rather motivated by finance and fame.
 
ALAYMAN said:
The sense in which I said that he "may or may not be a Christian" was more in line with the idea that we as Christians have a moral responsibility to be clear in our communication of theological concepts, particularly when we know our audience is going to be largely composed of people who need the Truth.
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So if one is not clear in his/her communication of theological concepts when addressing people who need the Truth, that makes you question if he/she is really a Christian? 

Seriously?  What if someone is perfectly clear in his/her communication but you don't agree with some point in their theology?  And I'm not talking soteriology or even the basics of salvation, I'm talking theology. 

I mean - we're talking here about having a beer with Jesus and how that fits or does not fit with his prophesied return, even though that has nothing whatsoever to do with the point of the song.  We're not talking about whether or not Jesus was the archangel Michael or the brother of Satan or something. 

 
Castor Muscular said:
So if one is not clear in his/her communication of theological concepts when addressing people who need the Truth, that makes you question if he/she is really a Christian? 
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I'm not questioning whether he is a Christian.  I'm saying that if he is a Christian then he ought to be clear about Christ in ways that the Bible gives clarity and truth to answers posed in his song, rather than offering ambiguous wonderment.

I don't know if he is or isn't a Christian, as people can sing about Christian concepts, and do so in the country music industry with some regularity, and not espouse any real claim to the Christ of the Bible.  *IF* he is a believer, then rather than raising doubt and ambiguity, it seems more appropriate to give solid Biblical answers in song, rather than pandering to an unbelieving demographic's amusement with "spirituality".
 
Castor Muscular said:
ALAYMAN said:
The sense in which I said that he "may or may not be a Christian" was more in line with the idea that we as Christians have a moral responsibility to be clear in our communication of theological concepts, particularly when we know our audience is going to be largely composed of people who need the Truth.
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So if one is not clear in his/her communication of theological concepts when addressing people who need the Truth, that makes you question if he/she is really a Christian? 

Seriously?  What if someone is perfectly clear in his/her communication but you don't agree with some point in their theology?  And I'm not talking soteriology or even the basics of salvation, I'm talking theology. 

I mean - we're talking here about having a beer with Jesus and how that fits or does not fit with his prophesied return, even though that has nothing whatsoever to do with the point of the song.  We're not talking about whether or not Jesus was the archangel Michael or the brother of Satan or something.
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Actually, and I must apologize for doing so, I turned the conversation that way because I'm wrestling right now with the two-fold image of Jesus we have in Christianity. I understand and sympathize with the sentiment of the song (and, unlike Alayman, I like country music  :)). And I understand the idea that Jesus is an approachable God who we know on a personal level. Where I'm struggling is with the fact that when given the opportunity, the hosts of angels describe Christ as "Holy, Holy, Holy." It seems like we (American Christianity) have forgotten that holiness is Jesus' overriding characteristic. And I include myself in that list. I guess thinking about this song triggered me to verbalize some of my internal struggle with how to view Jesus as approachable and open to questions without forgetting that He is the Holy God of all creation.
 
samspade said:
I guess thinking about this song triggered me to verbalize some of my internal struggle with how to view Jesus as approachable and open to questions without forgetting that He is the Holy God of all creation.
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He is both. 

IMO, he is the one who makes the choice in how we react to his presence by how he appears.  He called his disciples and others close to him, like Lazarus, "friends."  And he was accused of being a winebibber and sinner because he drank wine with (and was friends with) a tax collector.  (I guess the tax collector was having a "beer" with Jesus.)

But when he appeared in the transfiguration, the disciples were struck dumb (stupid) with awe, not having a clue what to say.  I figure it will be different when we are changed -- we'll have a clue what to say, and it may even be "Holy Holy Holy".  But that doesn't erase the former aspect, especially for now. 

 
I personally think it will be something like "Holy, holy, holy - our most intimate friend and brother, Almighty."
 
Castor Muscular said:
samspade said:
I guess thinking about this song triggered me to verbalize some of my internal struggle with how to view Jesus as approachable and open to questions without forgetting that He is the Holy God of all creation.
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He is both. 

IMO, he is the one who makes the choice in how we react to his presence by how he appears.  He called his disciples and others close to him, like Lazarus, "friends."  And he was accused of being a winebibber and sinner because he drank wine with (and was friends with) a tax collector.  (I guess the tax collector was having a "beer" with Jesus.)

But when he appeared in the transfiguration, the disciples were struck dumb (stupid) with awe, not having a clue what to say.  I figure it will be different when we are changed -- we'll have a clue what to say, and it may even be "Holy Holy Holy".  But that doesn't erase the former aspect, especially for now.
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Well put. I think I'm a little sensitive to this issue because I was deeply involved in a church that decided to go down the "seeker sensitive" path (a "church for those who don't like church"?). At least in that church, the holiness of Jesus was considered off-putting to hurting people and so was never talked about. We got a distorted view of Christ that is taking several years to get back in balance.
 
ALAYMAN said:
samspade said:
It would be great to sit and socialize (with whatever beverage) with the Jesus of the gospels. However, I believe when the Jesus of Revelation shows up (which is the Jesus we will see), I think I will be too busy worshiping. I appreciate the sentiments of the singer, and the questions he'd like to ask. But the reality is that those questions will seem insignificant in the presence of the God of the universe (IMO).
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I saw this song/video first on Wretched TV (Todd Friel) and their response was similar to what you've stated.  I think our level of revernce and recognition of God's transcendance is generally woefully lacking.  When I say "we" I am speaking of Christians in general, of which Akin may or may not be one.  He went to a Christian Bible college and in his own words "married a sweet Christian girl", so the chances are reasonable that he is singing from a heart that genuinely seeks to know Christ more intimately, albeit cloaked in pop-culture's syrupy country music lyrics.  The general criticism I have, aside from the temptation to launch into a tirade about licentious Christian soaks ;), is that we ought not be less precise in our theological communications, but as precise as permits given the intended audience.  And at worst, I fear it is nothing more than pandering to the sloppy religious sentimentality that accompanies redneck country music.
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Who is Akin? The singer is Thomas Rhett, a moderately well-known country star, maybe a Christian but definitely not a theologian. IMO, the sentiment is admirable if not very deep.

I think it's a pretty good song, though maybe just short of making the cut for my playlist, since I'm not a big country fan, more into rock (particularly metal and punk), jazz and blues.
 
Izdaari said:
Who is Akin?
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Sorry, I swapped his name with his dad's name (Rhett Akin), who was also a county music star in the day.
 
ALAYMAN said:
If I didn't know any better I'd swear this dude has a posting history on the FFF. :D


Thomas Rhett - Beer With Jesus
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Just because you have a disdain for the FFF and CCM, does not mean YOU of all people ( I mean seriously) can arbitrarily proclaim that piece of crap as the theme song for this Website. Maybe if you had some credibility....or respect. Go away moron. Ain't gonna happen! Nope. Not here. Maybe you could go to the CLOWN forum....and they will accomodate you there.
 
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