Irony Thy Name Is Spammy

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It is more than a little ironic that Spammy who, called Jesus the KJB, who teaches that Psalm teaches the inspiration of the KJB, would talk about someone else taking Scripture out of context and call someone else's followers ignorant.  Oh the irony of it all...

http://youtu.be/vvrGYBWeitY
 
I know I'm still "ignorant" of what that huge island on his map, between Greenland and Newfoundland, is supposed to be.

The Magical Kingdom of Oz, perhaps.
 
Anderson has much nuttery, but nothing he said in that video was wrong.  Matter of fact, it was spot on.
 
Ransom said:
I know I'm still "ignorant" of what that huge island on his map, between Greenland and Newfoundland, is supposed to be.

The Magical Kingdom of Oz, perhaps.
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Atlantis?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Anderson has much nuttery, but nothing he said in that video was wrong.  Matter of fact, it was spot on.
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I watched the first minute of it, all I could stand. But in that minute I find one thing to disagree with: I can hear him capitalizing "Word" when he's talking about the Bible. Jesus is the Word, the logos. Jesus is not the Bible.

It's a small thing, but so is a comma. 'Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves.'

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Jesus is not the Bible.

If you're not already familiar with Steven J. Anderson: he says otherwise. Really.
 
Ransom said:
Jesus is not the Bible.

If you're not already familiar with Steven J. Anderson: he says otherwise. Really.
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So I've heard. But that's a rather large and serious heresy. I may be liberal (definitely am by IFB standards) but I am orthodox. Anderson is not.
 
[quote author=Izdaari]I watched the first minute of it, all I could stand. But in that minute I find one thing to disagree with: I can hear him capitalizing "Word" when he's talking about the Bible. Jesus is the Word, the logos. Jesus is not the Bible.[/quote]

Anderson may make some gargantuan leap of equating Jesus with the KJB, but I don't hear what you allege in the opening minute.  Can you clarify at what point he is doing what you are saying he is doing?
 
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=Izdaari]I watched the first minute of it, all I could stand. But in that minute I find one thing to disagree with: I can hear him capitalizing "Word" when he's talking about the Bible. Jesus is the Word, the logos. Jesus is not the Bible.
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Anderson may make some gargantuan leap of equating Jesus with the KJB, but I don't hear what you allege in the opening minute.  Can you clarify at what point he is doing what you are saying he is doing?
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0:57 is where it stands out the most. Of course, at that point he's over-emphasizing nearly everything he says, so maybe I'm hearing that because I already knew he takes that position. And it's because he's being so over-emphatic that I stopping listening: I really hate it when preachers do that.
 
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0:57 is where it stands out the most. Of course, at that point he's over-emphasizing nearly everything he says, so maybe I'm hearing that because I already knew he takes that position. And it's because he's being so over-emphatic that I stopping listening: I really hate it when preachers do that.
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I listened to it again, and from the limited context don't see how it's a fair infernece to assume that he is referring to the KJB.  He cites numerous Scriptures regarding "the word" that support his point that a person is saved by hearing the word of God (he repeated Romans 14  for emphasis).  It seemed to me that he was emphasizing the fact which Augstine stated, that though "all truth is God's truth", for a person to be saved the only scenario that will <ordinarily> bring about a regenerated soul is the proclamation and reception of Scriptural truth <ie, special revelation, "preaching" the gospel, etc>.
 
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=Izdaari]
0:57 is where it stands out the most. Of course, at that point he's over-emphasizing nearly everything he says, so maybe I'm hearing that because I already knew he takes that position. And it's because he's being so over-emphatic that I stopping listening: I really hate it when preachers do that.
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I listened to it again, and from the limited context don't see how it's a fair infernece to assume that he is referring to the KJB.  He cites numerous Scriptures regarding "the word" that support his point that a person is saved by hearing the word of God (he repeated Romans 14  for emphasis).  It seemed to me that he was emphasizing the fact which Augstine stated, that though "all truth is God's truth", for a person to be saved the only scenario that will <ordinarily> bring about a regenerated soul is the proclamation and reception of Scriptural truth <ie, special revelation, "preaching" the gospel, etc>.
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I didn't bring KJVO-ism into it. I don't care which version he thinks is Jesus, because none of them are. And you're right, it wouldn't be fair to infer that from the little bit I heard. But I already knew it from before. 

Otherwise, I agree with the importance of hearing the word preached. I'd rather it not be from him, since he's a known heretic, and since his almost comic over-emphasis is painful to listen to.
 
[quote author=Izdaari]I didn't bring KJVO-ism into it. I don't care which version he thinks is Jesus, because none of them are. And you're right, it wouldn't be fair to infer that from the little bit I heard. But I already knew it from before. 

Otherwise, I agree with the importance of hearing the word preached. I'd rather it not be from him, since he's a known heretic, and since his almost comic over-emphasis is painful to listen to.
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I was merely connecting your inference to the OP, where Tbone made direct reference to Anderson's claim that Jesus *is* the KJB.  I understand that people have disdain and contempt for anybody or thing that has as much baggage as Anderson, but taking the clip at face value, it is spot on.
 
The point of the OP was that an ignoramus like Spamderson has no business proclaiming anyone else's flock ignorant.
 
In the video comments:

You are idolizing the Bible. It is your god. - screamingpigeon1 in reply to sanderson1611 1 year ago
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Yes, the Bible is my God. You're right:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -
sanderson1611 in reply to screamingpigeon1 1 year ago 8
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An avowed heretic has not business proclaiming anyone else ignorant.
 
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=Izdaari]I didn't bring KJVO-ism into it. I don't care which version he thinks is Jesus, because none of them are. And you're right, it wouldn't be fair to infer that from the little bit I heard. But I already knew it from before. 

Otherwise, I agree with the importance of hearing the word preached. I'd rather it not be from him, since he's a known heretic, and since his almost comic over-emphasis is painful to listen to.
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I was merely connecting your inference to the OP, where Tbone made direct reference to Anderson's claim that Jesus *is* the KJB.  I understand that people have disdain and contempt for anybody or thing that has as much baggage as Anderson, but taking the clip at face value, it is spot on.[/quote]

I definitely have to object to the final part (at a minimum) because Anderson clearly (at the end) does equate Jesus to the Bible (as per Izzy's complaint). Heresy, plain and simple.
 
[quote author=rsc2a]I definitely have to object to the final part (at a minimum) because Anderson clearly (at the end) does equate Jesus to the Bible (as per Izzy's complaint). Heresy, plain and simple.
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Is Jesus required for salvation?  Is the word of God required for salvation?  The two statements that Anderson makes, taken at face value in the video, don't amount to bibliolatry, but are fundamentally sound principles of Christian soteriology.
 
Well, it's entirely possible that if I knew nothing about Anderson and his heretical beliefs, and if I were able to stand his style well enough to finish the video, I might approve of what he says in it. Certainly I found nothing objectionable in his actual words during the first minute.
 
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=rsc2a]I definitely have to object to the final part (at a minimum) because Anderson clearly (at the end) does equate Jesus to the Bible (as per Izzy's complaint). Heresy, plain and simple.
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Is Jesus required for salvation?  Is the word of God required for salvation?  The two statements that Anderson makes, taken at face value in the video, don't amount to bibliolatry, but are fundamentally sound principles of Christian soteriology.
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Yes. No.

Jesus + nothing = salvation
 
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Yes. No.

Jesus + nothing = salvation
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False dichotomy.  God has not only appointed/ordained the salvation of souls by His Son, but the means as well, and those "means" is the preached word.  That's basic evangelical doctrine that in no way is set at odds to Sola Christus.
 
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