Immigration Ban

[Smellin Coffee]

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[Smellin Coffee]

In addition to keeping out non-existent terrorists and potentially killing people including infants, did Trump ever consider how the ban will affect our own nation's health community? By banning and potentially deporting some of the best physicians in the world, how is that making America great again?

Source: New England Journal of Medicine

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

There was virtually NO legal immigration in this country for 40 years....mid 20's thru the mid 60's. And there was no universal outbreak of hysterical overreaction and melodrama.

Who could be against a temporary ban on 7 countries OBAMA put on a watch list until the Trump administration can set up their vetting process?
People with a political agenda, for starters.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

There was virtually NO legal immigration in this country for 40 years....mid 20's thru the mid 60's. And there was no universal outbreak of hysterical overreaction and melodrama.

Who could be against a temporary ban on 7 countries OBAMA put on a watch list until the Trump administration can set up their vetting process?
People with a political agenda, for starters.

Including Republicans.

BTW, hope you didn't lose any voters in the Bowling Green Massacre of 2011!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

There was virtually NO legal immigration in this country for 40 years....mid 20's thru the mid 60's. And there was no universal outbreak of hysterical overreaction and melodrama.

Who could be against a temporary ban on 7 countries OBAMA put on a watch list until the Trump administration can set up their vetting process?
People with a political agenda, for starters.

Including Republicans.

BTW, hope you didn't lose any voters in the Bowling Green Massacre of 2011!

Exactly! Republicans can have politically motivated agendas as well.

Hope you didn't lose any living, breathing humans you cared for in 9-11 and continuing through these:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Hmmm...

Iraq - 4,486 Americans
Libya - 4 Americans at Benghazi

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Hope you didn't lose any living, breathing humans you cared for in 9-11 and continuing through these:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I didn't, but what makes people I love like, say my children, more important than a Syrian child who has lost a parent, sibling or two and a home? Should that child be turned away, back into a war zone for the safety of my child? Does my child deserve more of a chance than the refugee?

I'm not saying we shouldn't do vetting. We absolutely should. What I am suggesting is every life is valuable, not just the American life. You believe in collateral damage as you believe in the necessity of war. In essence, this is the same thing; risking American lives as collateral to save lives of those who are fleeing other places.

Whether my child dies by the hand of a terrorist, the vehicle of the drunk, the gun of the inner-city gangster or the horrific effects of cancer, I would be devastated. No question. But to equate our lives as being "of better value" than another is not what God had in mind when He consistently told Israel to "welcome the stranger".

 

[sword]

Hope you didn't lose any living, breathing humans you cared for in 9-11 and continuing through these:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I didn't, but what makes people I love like, say my children, more important than a Syrian child who has lost a parent, sibling or two and a home? Should that child be turned away, back into a war zone for the safety of my child? Does my child deserve more of a chance than the refugee?
I'm not saying we shouldn't do vetting. We absolutely should. What I am suggesting is every life is valuable, not just the American life. You believe in collateral damage as you believe in the necessity of war. In essence, this is the same thing; risking American lives as collateral to save lives of those who are fleeing other places.
Whether my child dies by the hand of a terrorist, the vehicle of the drunk, the gun of the inner-city gangster or the horrific effects of cancer, I would be devastated. No question. But to equate our lives as being "of better value" than another is not what God had in mind when He consistently told Israel to "welcome the stranger".

There are 1.2 billion people on the African continent. Most of them have a standard of living far below ours. In the spirit of care and compassion we should send ships and bring them here. At a rate of 10 million a year we could double our population every 30 years. It would take 100 years to bring them all and at the rate their population is growing it would take much longer than that to move them all.

Every life matters, but why are refugees from the middle east more important than the 5 million Africans who starve to death each year. I am for sending food and aid and setting up refugee camp but I am not for destroying our country like has happened all over Europe.

If you think 1000's and 1000's of refugees moved here is a good idea then you have clearly not spent any time in the new Europe. We should help them in their culture not destroy ours. Maybe you should sell everything and give it to the poor. Problem is then your family would starve and people would still be poor. We must care for our own problems not create more.

 

[Twisted]

Hope you didn't lose any living, breathing humans you cared for in 9-11 and continuing through these:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I didn't, but what makes people I love like, say my children, more important than a Syrian child who has lost a parent, sibling or two and a home? Should that child be turned away, back into a war zone for the safety of my child? Does my child deserve more of a chance than the refugee?
I'm not saying we shouldn't do vetting. We absolutely should. What I am suggesting is every life is valuable, not just the American life. You believe in collateral damage as you believe in the necessity of war. In essence, this is the same thing; risking American lives as collateral to save lives of those who are fleeing other places.
Whether my child dies by the hand of a terrorist, the vehicle of the drunk, the gun of the inner-city gangster or the horrific effects of cancer, I would be devastated. No question. But to equate our lives as being "of better value" than another is not what God had in mind when He consistently told Israel to "welcome the stranger".

There are 1.2 billion people on the African continent. Most of them have a standard of living far below ours. In the spirit of care and compassion we should send ships and bring them here. At a rate of 10 million a year we could double our population every 30 years. It would take 100 years to bring them all and at the rate their population is growing it would take much longer than that to move them all.

Every life matters, but why are refugees from the middle east more important than the 5 million Africans who starve to death each year. I am for sending food and aid and setting up refugee camp but I am not for destroying our country like has happened all over Europe.

If you think 1000's and 1000's of refugees moved here is a good idea then you have clearly not spent any time in the new Europe. We should help them in their culture not destroy ours. Maybe you should sell everything and give it to the poor. Problem is then your family would starve and people would still be poor. We must care for our own problems not create more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHtrcXGYck

 

[Jo]

Hope you didn't lose any living, breathing humans you cared for in 9-11 and continuing through these:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I didn't, but what makes people I love like, say my children, more important than a Syrian child who has lost a parent, sibling or two and a home? Should that child be turned away, back into a war zone for the safety of my child? Does my child deserve more of a chance than the refugee?
I'm not saying we shouldn't do vetting. We absolutely should. What I am suggesting is every life is valuable, not just the American life. You believe in collateral damage as you believe in the necessity of war. In essence, this is the same thing; risking American lives as collateral to save lives of those who are fleeing other places.
Whether my child dies by the hand of a terrorist, the vehicle of the drunk, the gun of the inner-city gangster or the horrific effects of cancer, I would be devastated. No question. But to equate our lives as being "of better value" than another is not what God had in mind when He consistently told Israel to "welcome the stranger".

There are 1.2 billion people on the African continent. Most of them have a standard of living far below ours. In the spirit of care and compassion we should send ships and bring them here. At a rate of 10 million a year we could double our population every 30 years. It would take 100 years to bring them all and at the rate their population is growing it would take much longer than that to move them all.

Every life matters, but why are refugees from the middle east more important than the 5 million Africans who starve to death each year. I am for sending food and aid and setting up refugee camp but I am not for destroying our country like has happened all over Europe.

If you think 1000's and 1000's of refugees moved here is a good idea then you have clearly not spent any time in the new Europe. We should help them in their culture not destroy ours. Maybe you should sell everything and give it to the poor. Problem is then your family would starve and people would still be poor. We must care for our own problems not create more.

Decades ago, I worked for a very wealthy and intelligent man.  Organizations around the country asked for funds to help with their missions. One organization asked for funds to accomplish something in space. I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember his response.  It was similar to Sword's.

 

[LongGone]

Immigration has ebbed and flowed since the founding of this nation, depending on the current administration.  Immigration used to be up to the States.  There is quite a history in our immigration policy.

However, since Reagan/Ted Kennedy opened the floodgates, America is changing.  Why?  Because before, an immigrant came here to become an American.  To work and support themselves.  They had to be healthy and have a sponsor.  No taxpayer aid.

Now, the taxpayer supports freeloaders who come here, not to become Americans, but to CHANGE America.

This, of course, is the plan of some.

I say BRAVO to Mr. Trump for DOING SOMETHING.  If it were me, I'd halt ALL immigration for at least 10 years.  I'd have minimal green-cards issued.  This would give us time to weed out the illegals and deadbeats.

Of course, if it were up to me, I'd want to be a dictator.  Free Snickers for everyone!

How does America support freeloaders who come here?

It is estimated illegals cost federal, state and local governments over 100 billion a year.

Education of illegals cost local governments at least 50 billion a year alone.

Though most illegals are willing to work and are very hard workers most make so little they get all their taxes back when they file their return. I disagree most are freeloaders or that most want to change America. I do agree illegal immigration is very costly and presents risks to our safety.

The legal system needs fixed and the illegals need to be stopped from coming here.

So illegals should be stopped. Why do we have a refugee ban?

 

[LongGone]

I grew up on the border of Mexico.  I doubt that the many people I saw cross the border were vetted; however,  you raise some good points.

My main point is that there are difficult decisions to be made.

Last year I spent the day in an IRS office.  The room was filled with mostly Hispanics.  Occasionally, the workers would announce that if anyone had come to pay, they should get in the line on the right.  In the hours that I observed, only 3 people were in the paying line. All of them were older white men.  A white man sat next to me and told me he would become an expatriate if only his wife would leave the country with him.

Health care is a serious issue.  If only I could see any doctor I wanted.)

Once again you are mixing illegal immigrants with refugees. Mexicans who come across the border are illegal immigrants. Just suppose you were poor and needed to support your family would you not try to get to a place where you could make a decent life for your family? We need to control illegal immigration but the attitude that "these people broke the law" is ridiculous. I believe most of us would do the same in the same situation.

My guess is the Mexicans would not be in the IRS office if they were not paying taxes at all and are most likely much poorer than the three elderly white men. I am not sure we can draw conclusions from what we see in an IRS office.  Even most white ethnic groups came into the country poor and work hard to attain a level of comfort. Many Mexicans work hard too...that is why some people accuse them of stealing jobs.

I have what would be considered good insurance and I can't see any doctor I want. Poor people on Medicaid also have limited options especially when it comes to seeing specialists. I have no problem agreeing with you that healthcare is a serious issue.

 

[Jo]

1.  You're right.  I would do whatever I could to get help for family members, including cross the border.

2.  I was not drawing conclusions from my day at the IRS office.  I was using my observation as an illustration.  I agree that there are many hard working people of every color.

3.  I am no expert on the topic of refugees.  My heart breaks for the people around the world who are suffering. 

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[prophet]

Hmmm...

This list is complete b.s.


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