I see that Liberty.....

ChuckBob said:
The last thing that I want to hear at any graduation is a sermon. I just want the speaker to hurry up, shut up and sit down. I think that ypu will find that the vast majority of the graduates and parents feel the same way.

I also agree with the statement that, "We can argue theology after we save the country." If Romney's speech gained one more vote against Obama then it was worth it. I'm for letting Romney talk where ever and when ever he can get the chance. I don't care if the man's a druid if he can defeat Obama.


ChuckBob
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Quite frankly a number of years ago I would have been right with you on this one.  However, following the debacle of the 80's where the Reagan conservatives took power and all the evangelicals/fundieswere giddy with a new dawn, but we raised a generation that only chased money, followed to a lesser degree by the Gingrich/Bush renewal, and we again raised a generation whose "god is their belly," I honestly prayed in 2008 that God would only allow that which was best for the furtherance of the Gospel. Though I completely despise everything Obama, if his presidency is the answer to my prayer, I am truly thankful that he is in there.  And that is my prayer for 2012 as well.

History bears out that persecution and hardship are good for the Gospel, and if that is what is required I'm for it.  So I am not willing to entertain that which is contrary to the Gospel in order to oust Obama, though I completely despise him and practically everything he stands for. 
 
Anchor said:
ChuckBob said:
The last thing that I want to hear at any graduation is a sermon. I just want the speaker to hurry up, shut up and sit down. I think that ypu will find that the vast majority of the graduates and parents feel the same way.

I also agree with the statement that, "We can argue theology after we save the country." If Romney's speech gained one more vote against Obama then it was worth it. I'm for letting Romney talk where ever and when ever he can get the chance. I don't care if the man's a druid if he can defeat Obama.


ChuckBob


I say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. The Gospel will survive and will be spread. Those that are susposed to hear and believe will hear and believe. Too many have given blood and sacrifced to build this country since its inception. We are now in a battle for its very survival. This is for our children and their children yet to be born. Whatever alliances must be formed. Whatever deals must be made. We must prevail.

ChuckBob
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Quite frankly a number of years ago I would have been right with you on this one.  However, following the debacle of the 80's where the Reagan conservatives took power and all the evangelicals/fundieswere giddy with a new dawn, but we raised a generation that only chased money, followed to a lesser degree by the Gingrich/Bush renewal, and we again raised a generation whose "god is their belly," I honestly prayed in 2008 that God would only allow that which was best for the furtherance of the Gospel. Though I completely despise everything Obama, if his presidency is the answer to my prayer, I am truly thankful that he is in there.  And that is my prayer for 2012 as well.

History bears out that persecution and hardship are good for the Gospel, and if that is what is required I'm for it.  So I am not willing to entertain that which is contrary to the Gospel in order to oust Obama, though I completely despise him and practically everything he stands for.
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ChuckBob said:
I say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. The Gospel will survive and will be spread. Those that are susposed to hear and believe will hear and believe. Too many have given blood and sacrifced to build this country since its inception. We are now in a battle for its very survival. This is for our children and their children yet to be born. Whatever alliances must be formed. Whatever deals must be made. We must prevail.

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Quite literally I am stunned speechless.

 
ChuckBob said:
The last thing that I want to hear at any graduation is a sermon. I just want the speaker to hurry up, shut up and sit down. I think that ypu will find that the vast majority of the graduates and parents feel the same way.

I also agree with the statement that, "We can argue theology after we save the country." If Romney's speech gained one more vote against Obama then it was worth it. I'm for letting Romney talk where ever and when ever he can get the chance. I don't care if the man's a druid if he can defeat Obama.


ChuckBob
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So, you say, the weapons of our warfare are carnal and not spiritual?
 
Anchor said:
ChuckBob said:
I say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. The Gospel will survive and will be spread. Those that are susposed to hear and believe will hear and believe. Too many have given blood and sacrifced to build this country since its inception. We are now in a battle for its very survival. This is for our children and their children yet to be born. Whatever alliances must be formed. Whatever deals must be made. We must prevail.

ChuckBob
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Quite literally I am stunned speechless.
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I'll join with Catholics, Mormons and snake hanling pentecostals if that's what it takes to amass the force needed to carry the day. Everybody can go back to their doctrinal debates after the election.

ChuckBob
 
Perhaps if LU had a pro abortion, pro gay marriage speaker at commencement, the comparison might be valid.

Instead, they invited a flip-flopping, antichrist polytheist. Woohoo, that's much better!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Perhaps if LU had a pro abortion, pro gay marriage speaker at commencement, the comparison might be valid.
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They DID if Romney spoke there.

No, wait. Romney used to be that way, but he's not anymore. Right?
 
Let's not forget the whole Ergun Caner debacle. It seems to me that Liberty is foremost a mouthpiece and training ground for establishment GOP acolytes. Second, it is about protecting the outward appearance of its rock star "fundamentalists." Instead of taking the high ground and conducting a true investigation into Caner's lies and dismissing him, they tried to brush it all under the rug until they were finally squeezed. Then, they gave Caner a little slap on the wrist to appease the critics and Caner silently slipped out.

Liberty University is the epitome of why I get disgusted at the unhealthy merge of Christianity and party politics to the detriment of pure Christianity. Everything becomes political relevance and outward appearance over truth and inward holiness. If I am wrong, it is because LU has heaped this image on themselves so that those on the outside looking in get an ugly picture.

I am sure they have some good education available, but I don't consider the university as a whole to be the guardian of Christian fundamentalism.
 
Ransom said:
Perhaps if LU had a pro abortion, pro gay marriage speaker at commencement, the comparison might be valid.

Instead, they invited a flip-flopping, antichrist polytheist. Woohoo, that's much better!
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So this is about bashing Liberty period.
Which is fine by me, I'm no apologist for Liberty, in fact I disagree with much of what they do and have done. However, it is their right to do so...and they certainly don't care what you or I think about it. Trust me, I know first hand.

Liberty certainly has chosen to be politically active, not neutral. That is the reason Romney was chosen....but does Anchor think Bush or McCain would have spoken at BJU if not for the same reason?

Again, maybe you and Anchor should just stop payment on this months contribution checks to LU.
 
ChuckBob said:
Anchor said:
ChuckBob said:
I say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. The Gospel will survive and will be spread. Those that are susposed to hear and believe will hear and believe. Too many have given blood and sacrifced to build this country since its inception. We are now in a battle for its very survival. This is for our children and their children yet to be born. Whatever alliances must be formed. Whatever deals must be made. We must prevail.

ChuckBob
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Quite literally I am stunned speechless.
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I'll join with Catholics, Mormons and snake hanling pentecostals if that's what it takes to amass the force needed to carry the day. Everybody can go back to their doctrinal debates after the election.

ChuckBob
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Ransom would never dabble in Canadian politics, I'm sure.....that's one reason they have the most liberal abortion policies around, funded by his tax dollars, no less.

I'm with you, we're electing a President, not a Pope or spiritual leader.
 
ChuckBob said:
Anchor said:
ChuckBob said:
I say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. The Gospel will survive and will be spread. Those that are susposed to hear and believe will hear and believe. Too many have given blood and sacrifced to build this country since its inception. We are now in a battle for its very survival. This is for our children and their children yet to be born. Whatever alliances must be formed. Whatever deals must be made. We must prevail.

ChuckBob
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Quite literally I am stunned speechless.
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I'll join with Catholics, Mormons and snake hanling pentecostals if that's what it takes to amass the force needed to carry the day. Everybody can go back to their doctrinal debates after the election.

ChuckBob
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Amen CB.  Zero-bama is the worst president we have ever had.  If we keep going down the path he wants, we will lose what little bit of religious freedom we still have. 
 
Just returned from LU and I was right, they don't  care what we think about Romney as their commencement speaker!  :)

And as to a Canadian criticizing them for political involvement, they said he should work overtime to help pay for more state funded abortions in Canada!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Ransom said:
Perhaps if LU had a pro abortion, pro gay marriage speaker at commencement, the comparison might be valid.

Instead, they invited a flip-flopping, antichrist polytheist. Woohoo, that's much better!
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So this is about bashing Liberty period.
Which is fine by me, I'm no apologist for Liberty, in fact I disagree with much of what they do and have done. However, it is their right to do so...and they certainly don't care what you or I think about it. Trust me, I know first hand.

Liberty certainly has chosen to be politically active, not neutral. That is the reason Romney was chosen....but does Anchor think Bush or McCain would have spoken at BJU if not for the same reason?

Again, maybe you and Anchor should just stop payment on this months contribution checks to LU.
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McCain did speak at BJU when running for president. Fallout of that was BJU changed their racist view on interracial dating.
 
4everfsu said:
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/may/16/five-years-after-death-jerry-falwell-sr-growth-boo-ar-1917125/
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It's growing because of new additions like a Medical School set to open in 2013. When this happens LU will have all the advantages of a secular university while still maintaining it's Christian identity. And I heard on the radio the other day that even some non-Christian students especially girls are going to Christian universities like LU because living at secular universities with girl's dorms and boy's dorms being so close is not safe (because of cases of date rape, that sort of thing).
 
brianb said:
4everfsu said:
http://www2.newsadvance.com/news/2012/may/16/five-years-after-death-jerry-falwell-sr-growth-boo-ar-1917125/
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It's growing because of new additions like a Medical School set to open in 2013. When this happens LU will have all the advantages of a secular university while still maintaining it's Christian identity. And I heard on the radio the other day that even some non-Christian students especially girls are going to Christian universities like LU because living at secular universities with girl's dorms and boy's dorms being so close is not safe (because of cases of date rape, that sort of thing).
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LU now has over a billion dollars in assets....remarkable for a school only 40 years old.
My prayer is that they will stay true to the Biblical and moral principles they were founded on....
 
ChuckBob said:
I'll join with Catholics, Mormons and snake hanling pentecostals if that's what it takes to amass the force needed to carry the day...

ChuckBob
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Pragmatism rules the day. To bad folks go to the wrong source.



"And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings : he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him."


Even some of my calvinist friends here................
 
bruinboy said:
I know for a fact that BJ has conferred degrees upon, racist, whore-hoppers, child abusers, etc.  All University's have done the same thing.
 
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AW COME ON!!! LEAVE DAVE HYLES OUT OF THIS!
 
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