How far would you go to protect one of your own?

[ALAYMAN]

Imagine you have raised a good Christian daughter to adulthood.  She goes away to a Christian college as a single gal.  She's a wonderful Christian lady, unassuming and not really looking to marry right away.  She just simply wants to go about her educational business and get her job/career kickstarted after college, and if the Lord gives her a mate by then, great, if not, okie-dokie too.  Along the way of young adult life she exemplifies charity, looking out for the less fortunate, and being gracious to all who she comes into contact with.  In doing so, she attracts the attention of a socially regressive outcast, who she wants to be the hands and feet of Christ to, so she befriends him.  He takes things the wrong way, wants more than just her kindness, and aggressively pushes for her to have a dating relationship with him.  She says firmly but kindly, "no".  He doesn't take the rejection well, but eventually stops bugging her.  She graduates, gets a job, eventually buying her own house and moving into it on her own.  She is still single.  He re-enters the picture and begins harrassing her with phone calls and showing up at her work.  The cops are called to intervene, but they are ineffective.  This transpires over a period of years.  You approach him and tell him to stay away from your daughter, in no uncertain terms, but your efforts are to no avail.  His behavior continues unabated.  This transpires over a long period, on and off, covering several years.  His malicious stalking  takes its toll on your daughter's health.  The cops are ineffective at stopping the man, and you believe his threatening behavior is becoming more hostile,  even to the point that he could be enough of a danger to actually cause her serious physical harm.

As a Christian, what extent would you be willing to go to in order to protect your daughter?

 

[T-Bone]

We must be careful here...suffice to say I would make an impactful visit to this individual.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We must be careful here...suffice to say I would make an impactful visit to this individual.

eh, throw caution to the wind, and define "impactful". 


Seriously though, in the scenario described above (a true story by the way) the person is so unhinged from reality that nothing short of death will dissuade them from their deluded pursuits.  For a Christian (father), such a dilemma is exceedingly difficult.

 

[T-Bone]

We must be careful here...suffice to say I would make an impactful visit to this individual.

eh, throw caution to the wind, and define "impactful". 


Seriously though, in the scenario described above (a true story by the way) the person is so unhinged from reality that nothing short of death will dissuade them from their deluded pursuits.  For a Christian (father), such a dilemma is exceedingly difficult.

Yes it is...I would just say this, I personally would do what I had to do to protect my daughter...can't say what that might look like until put in the situation, but I would not sacrifice my daughter to the insane!

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=T-Bone]Yes it is...I would just say this, I personally would do what I had to do to protect my daughter...can't say what that might look like until put in the situation, but I would not sacrifice my daughter to the insane![/quote]

Just don't go promising to sacrifice the first thing that you see when you get home.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I'd go all the way to Dog Thresher Creek, Oklahoma. 

 

[rsc2a]

I'd go all the way to Dog Thresher Creek, Oklahoma.

Would you go to Hell...


...Michigan?

(Isn't that a bit redundant?)

 

[Binaca Chugger]

So many details, one has to wonder if you are relating a true story, or you have an odd imagination.  Imagination:  whatever.  Reality: The law would be able to do something.  Stalking is a crime.

 

[Castor Muscular]

So many details, one has to wonder if you are relating a true story, or you have an odd imagination.  Imagination:  whatever.  Reality: The law would be able to do something.  Stalking is a crime.

True or false, the OP is the stereotypical troll, and seems to have a hot line on controversial gossip.  Oh, dear, some Christian woman volunteered to be a designated driver?!?!?  Well, isn't that special???  Could it be the work of... SATAN???

And he loves to spill all the gossip here as fodder for making himself feel all superior and stuff. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

So many details, one has to wonder if you are relating a true story, or you have an odd imagination.  Imagination:  whatever.  Reality: The law would be able to do something.  Stalking is a crime.

True or false, the OP is the stereotypical troll, and seems to have a hot line on controversial gossip.  Oh, dear, some Christian woman volunteered to be a designated driver?!?!?  Well, isn't that special???  Could it be the work of... SATAN???

And he loves to spill all the gossip here as fodder for making himself feel all superior and stuff.

All acrimony aside, you're an idiot with a extra big I.  The story is absolutely true.  You have hangups.  Get help, seriously.  Actually, the best thing you could do is submit your gi-normous ego to the body of Christ and become accountable to the teaching of God's word by one of His undershepherds.

Facts you've missed in your ignorant and irrational tirade:


1) Every single element of the story is true.
2) Not one bit of the story is steeped in gossip, none, zero, zilch, nada.
3) To know my motive for beginning this thread you'd have to be God, which I'm pretty sure you're not.
4) None of the facts about this scenario have any personal contact to my life.


I'm sure that facts are inconvenient things for a weirdo like you, but you really should try to get a grip on reality and quit your witch-hunting.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Her Father should teach her to shoot a gun and encourage her to 'conceal and carry' if her state allows.

Very possibly the best ethical, moral, and legal answer yet.

So many details, one has to wonder if you are relating a true story, or you have an odd imagination.  Imagination:  whatever.  Reality: The law would be able to do something.  Stalking is a crime.

Well, with your absolute dogmatism, you'd be absolutely wrong.  Matter of fact, you'd be dead wrong.  The girl in this scenario ended up dead at the hands of the stalker.  Do you seriously think that every stalking situation is effectively and swiftly handled by law enforcement?  That's so laughable it doesn't even deserve consideration for discussion.

 

[Sherryh]

Alayman, This sounds like a true story that happened to a real sweet girl...........the guy kinapped her and she has never been found. ...that was 5 years ago. As a parent/father my husband said he would do what is necessary to protect her. We have so many police friends that also gave us advice on what to do to catch him...video, and a good watch dog pitbull, german shephard,doberman.

 

[Izdaari]

Imagine you have raised a good Christian daughter to adulthood.  She goes away to a Christian college as a single gal.  She's a wonderful Christian lady, unassuming and not really looking to marry right away.  She just simply wants to go about her educational business and get her job/career kickstarted after college, and if the Lord gives her a mate by then, great, if not, okie-dokie too.  Along the way of young adult life she exemplifies charity, looking out for the less fortunate, and being gracious to all who she comes into contact with.  In doing so, she attracts the attention of a socially regressive outcast, who she wants to be the hands and feet of Christ to, so she befriends him.  He takes things the wrong way, wants more than just her kindness, and aggressively pushes for her to have a dating relationship with him.  She says firmly but kindly, "no".  He doesn't take the rejection well, but eventually stops bugging her.  She graduates, gets a job, eventually buying her own house and moving into it on her own.  She is still single.  He re-enters the picture and begins harrassing her with phone calls and showing up at her work.  The cops are called to intervene, but they are ineffective.  This transpires over a period of years.  You approach him and tell him to stay away from your daughter, in no uncertain terms, but your efforts are to no avail.  His behavior continues unabated.  This transpires over a long period, on and off, covering several years.  His malicious stalking  takes its toll on your daughter's health.  The cops are ineffective at stopping the man, and you believe his threatening behavior is becoming more hostile,  even to the point that he could be enough of a danger to actually cause her serious physical harm.

As a Christian, what extent would you be willing to go to in order to protect your daughter?

Her Father should teach her to shoot a gun and encourage her to 'conceal and carry' if her state allows.

Agreed, The best way to protect your daughter is to teach her to protect herself.

 

[Torrent v.3]

Imagine you have raised a good Christian daughter to adulthood.  She goes away to a Christian college as a single gal.  She's a wonderful Christian lady, unassuming and not really looking to marry right away.  She just simply wants to go about her educational business and get her job/career kickstarted after college, and if the Lord gives her a mate by then, great, if not, okie-dokie too.  Along the way of young adult life she exemplifies charity, looking out for the less fortunate, and being gracious to all who she comes into contact with.  In doing so, she attracts the attention of a socially regressive outcast, who she wants to be the hands and feet of Christ to, so she befriends him.  He takes things the wrong way, wants more than just her kindness, and aggressively pushes for her to have a dating relationship with him.  She says firmly but kindly, "no".  He doesn't take the rejection well, but eventually stops bugging her.  She graduates, gets a job, eventually buying her own house and moving into it on her own.  She is still single.  He re-enters the picture and begins harrassing her with phone calls and showing up at her work.  The cops are called to intervene, but they are ineffective.  This transpires over a period of years.  You approach him and tell him to stay away from your daughter, in no uncertain terms, but your efforts are to no avail.  His behavior continues unabated.  This transpires over a long period, on and off, covering several years.  His malicious stalking  takes its toll on your daughter's health.  The cops are ineffective at stopping the man, and you believe his threatening behavior is becoming more hostile,  even to the point that he could be enough of a danger to actually cause her serious physical harm.

As a Christian, what extent would you be willing to go to in order to protect your daughter?

It would not bother my Christian conscience to take my sons to visit him and first threaten him, then beat him senseless if he did not stop. And as a sarcastic sidenote, I might throw a tract or two at his feet as he lie there writhing in agony.

 

[Torrent v.3]

So many details, one has to wonder if you are relating a true story, or you have an odd imagination.  Imagination:  whatever.  Reality: The law would be able to do something.  Stalking is a crime.

True or false, the OP is the stereotypical troll, and seems to have a hot line on controversial gossip.  Oh, dear, some Christian woman volunteered to be a designated driver?!?!?  Well, isn't that special???  Could it be the work of... SATAN???

And he loves to spill all the gossip here as fodder for making himself feel all superior and stuff.

He does like gossipp, but he also likes to start threads that he knows will generate a lot of replies, so he can spend his days and nights online and not get out and get involved in people's lives. Yes, I know he probably goes soul winning, but there is so much more to life than knocking on doors and cramming the gospel down people's throats then retreating to the quiet comfortable house.

 

[Norefund]

I would hire Aleshanee and her sister to take care of it.

 

[ALAYMAN]

He does like gossipp, but he also likes to start threads that he knows will generate a lot of replies, so he can spend his days and nights online and not get out and get involved in people's lives. Yes, I know he probably goes soul winning, but there is so much more to life than knocking on doors and cramming the gospel down people's throats then retreating to the quiet comfortable house.

4 things:

1) Learn to spell, loser.
2) Discover the meaning of gossip.
3) Your threads make people yawn, get few if any replies, and are the equivalent of watching paint dry, but don't be hatin'.
4) You have no clue about my involvement with people, but I'm sure your judgmental know-it-all attitude is undoubtedly a sought after commodity in whatever circles of dorks you run in.

I also find it more than mildly amusing that catty toadies like you would rather make me the issue of nearly every response you make to me, rather than simply discuss the content of the OP.  Tells a lot about your lack of character.

 

[ALAYMAN]

i;m a firm believer that all women should learn to defend themselves... ... . this kind of tragedy happens more often than people realize... . we don;t hear about it much in the news because it;s not the hot topic item right now.. .. the news media thinks we need to hear more about every shooting that takes place in the country... justified or not.... and see the latest youtube viral videos.. ... so the stories like this get buried ....

my sister had a stalker once... . he was a friend from highschool who tracked her down through myspace... :-\... .the biggest mistake he ever made was showing up at our door after she told him to stay away from her and not to contact her again... and then tried to invite himself in... .... .. . i actually felt sorry for him at one point... briefly...  when she had him face down with her knee in the middle of his back... and chicken winged his arm so hard his shoulder dislocated... . . he started crying and begged her to stop....  :-[ ... ...  my sympathy for him only lasted a few seconds though... . then i remembered how bad he scared us and i was mad at him all over again...  .. . but his tears did cause me to resist the urge to kick him in the sensitives while she had him pinned him down.... .. i;m glad i didn;t....  he looked sad enough as it was when they drove away with him handcuffed in the back of the police car....  :-\... ..he never bothered her again.... .. ..

In the kind of situation of the OP, I do believe that the best and most ethical/moral answer is to be able to aptly defend one's self, but unfortunately there are times when the stalker doesn't give the person a fair fighting chance at defending themselves.  There are times when the element of surprise and choice of mode of attack are essentially indefensible.  The only option in those kinds of scenarios is to pre-emptively eliminate the threat, and that type of action/judgment poses a whole range of other moral and ethical conundrums.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ALAYMAN]In the kind of situation of the OP, I do believe that the best and most ethical/moral answer is to be able to aptly defend one's self, but unfortunately there are times when the stalker doesn't give the person a fair fighting chance at defending themselves.  There are times when the element of surprise and choice of mode of attack are essentially indefensible.  The only option in those kinds of scenarios is to pre-emptively eliminate the threat, and that type of action/judgment poses a whole range of other moral and ethical conundrums.[/quote]

Do unto others before they do unto you?

I missed that verse. Can you tell me where it is?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Do unto others before they do unto you?

I missed that verse. Can you tell me where it is?

Proverbs 26:3


But the next two verses that follow may have more relevance in this conversation.


On a serious note, I have not argued that a person should kill before being killed, but there certainly is legal precedent for a defense that shows that if imminent threat exists that such action may be warranted.