Honorary Doctorates

[Bruh]

Honorary Doctorates are ok, I guess. 

It's when a person wears it as if they have studied for it, then it becomes nauseating. 

 

[no value]

Honorary Doctorates are ok, I guess. 

It's when a person wears it as if they have studied for it, then it becomes nauseating.

Amen to that. But do you think it is right for a person with an honorary doctorate to use it on the church's letterhead and/or insist on being addressed as "Doctor...."? I'm inclined to think that if you didn't earn it, you shouldn't arrogantly use the title.

As one who has an earned doctorate, I seldom use the title, even though I legitimatey could.

 

[Bruh]

Honorary Doctorates are ok, I guess. 

It's when a person wears it as if they have studied for it, then it becomes nauseating.

Amen to that. But do you think it is right for a person with an honorary doctorate to use it on the church's letterhead and/or insist on being addressed as "Doctor...."? I'm inclined to think that if you didn't earn it, you shouldn't arrogantly use the title.

As one who has an earned doctorate, I seldom use the title, even though I legitimatey could.

No, if it is an honorary doctorate, no, they shouldn't use it at all.  IMO.

Now, if someone were to give me a honorary doctorate, I would not want it, but that is just me.  How can a persons appreciate being called something they did not study/work for?

My children were in Martial Arts, for two or so years, and the teacher began to just give them their next level belt and that is when I pulled them out. 

Life is tough, life is cruel and life is work, yet, I love life. 

I refuse to give something like that to my children if they are not working for it. 

Now, some may say as they have on here already, what if the person that received the honorary doctorate has contributed to that specific field? I say, make it clear that is was not earned in a class room but, school of hard knocks.  On the letter head as well.     

 

[FSSL]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

 

[cast.sheep]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

 

[cpizzle]

My dad was given an honorary black belt for his community service.  It was an honor, but it won't do you any good in a fight 

 

[RAIDER]

How can a persons appreciate being called something they did not study/work for?

While I agreed with most of your last post, I have to disagree with the sentence above.  Yes, I'm sure there are some Honorary Doctorates for which the individual did nothing.  On the other hand, there are those who have worked very hard (perhaps much harder than one worked to get an Earned Doctorate) thus they were given the Honorary Doctorate.

 

[Bruh]

How can a persons appreciate being called something they did not study/work for?

While I agreed with most of your last post, I have to disagree with the sentence above.  Yes, I'm sure there are some Honorary Doctorates for which the individual did nothing.  On the other hand, there are those who have worked very hard (perhaps much harder than one worked to get an Earned Doctorate) thus they were given the Honorary Doctorate.

IMO, make it clear that is was not earned in a class room but, school of hard knocks.     

At least that is how I would handle it.

 

[sword]

If schools would select someone solely on their merits & what they have accomplished then the award would mean more.

They could call it the Hyles Anderson Lifetime Achievement Award for that given year.

This would eliminate the title and solve most of the concern stated here.

 

[RAIDER]

We have discussed this topic from many different angles.  Let's see how many HAC Honorary Doctorate recipients we can name.  This will help us get a better picture of our topic.

 

[sword]

Dr. Bob Gray (Longview)

 

[Bruh]

If schools would select someone solely on their merits & what they have accomplished then the award would mean more.

They could call it the Hyles Anderson Lifetime Achievement Award for that given year.

This would eliminate the title and solve most of the concern stated here.

Exactly, which really............. that is really all that it is....

I guess, which again, IMO, the problem for me is, they act like they received it from Harvard.

Like Dr. Vogel (I have nothing against him) he is or was or still does something with education, the "Dr" is perceived as an education degree from a state university, no. 

Now the truth is he may have a "true" doctorate.  Idk.

If a honorary doctorate is given because the person has suffered hardship in the ministry, that's fine, BUT AGAIN, say so.     

 

[RAIDER]

Dr. Bob Gray (Longview)

While I'm not his biggest fan and he has plenty of enemies, he did build a "large" church in Long View.  HAC is all about training preachers how to build works of the same type as FBCH.  If a college gives out Honorary Doctorates to individuals who reflect the purpose of the college I would say Gray was deserving.

 

[fishinnut]

My dad was given an honorary black belt for his community service.  It was an honor, but it won't do you any good in a fight 

Good point.

I know a grad who received a HAC honorary degree who lost the fight with pride over it & lost it all after the defeat.

 

[BALAAM]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

I think they gave an honorary doctorate to "Tim the Toolman Taylor" from his alma mater on Home Improvement. They found out later it was to help them bring in the bucks!

 

[Norefund]

I could not agree more.

If schools would select someone solely on their merits & what they have accomplished then the award would mean more.

They could call it the Hyles Anderson Lifetime Achievement Award for that given year.

This would eliminate the title and solve most of the concern stated here.

 

[Tennessean]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

I think they gave an honorary doctorate to "Tim the Toolman Taylor" from his alma mater on Home Improvement. They found out later it was to help them bring in the bucks!

I remember that episode. It was the one where Tim did something really stupid that made Jill mad and then he went t the fence and his neighbor Wilson gave him advice on how to fix it.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

I think they gave an honorary doctorate to "Tim the Toolman Taylor" from his alma mater on Home Improvement. They found out later it was to help them bring in the bucks!

I remember that episode. It was the one where Tim did something really stupid that made Jill mad and then he went t the fence and his neighbor Wilson gave him advice on how to fix it.

But I don't remember what Wilson's chin looked like...

 

[BALAAM]

It is a way to secure loyalty to a school. DDs are given to pastors to get them to send more kids.

I think they gave an honorary doctorate to "Tim the Toolman Taylor" from his alma mater on Home Improvement. They found out later it was to help them bring in the bucks!

I remember that episode. It was the one where Tim did something really stupid that made Jill mad and then he went t the fence and his neighbor Wilson gave him advice on how to fix it.

Yes. That was the one. (one being plural)

 

[Walt]

Some of these preachers had ministries that stood out.  Their churches were seeing many people saved and baptized and the church was growing.  I believe Dr. Hyles chose those who received an Honorary Doctorate from this group.

This is the kernel of what is wrong: if we truly believe that it is the Holy Spirit that must bring conviction before a person is saved, and the unsaved must decide to accept Jesus Christ, then why reward a pastor for numerical success in this area?  It only encourages a salesman-like emphasis to get people to say a prayer.  Yes, reward them if they are busy visiting their area, but don't reward them for the work of God or for the work of others.

It is a truth that you will get what you honor, and if the emphasis is on numbers, you will drive many people to a numbers game, which is destructive of true Christianity.