History material about Fundamental Baptists?

[bruinboy]

Just read the Bible and you will find that the IFB's descended directly from John the Baptist. The best argument I have heard to validate this is:  If he wasn't a Baptist, the would have called him John the Methodist or John the Lutheran. 
Gotta admit, for a IFB, that is a very compelling argument.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

http://www.amazon.com/History-Fundamentalism-America-George-Dollar/dp/B0000EEKZL

A very good history.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I'm trying to compile some history on fundamentalism.  I'm finding its hard to find objective material.  Everything is either glowingly positive or extremely negative.
So far I've got George Marsdens books (which are objective but limited) and a couple of bios on J Frank Norris and John R Rice.  I've also read "The Sword of The Lord".  Anybody know of anything else?

"The Fundamentalist Movement" by Jerry Falwell and Ed Dobson

I misspoke.  The title of the book was "The Fundamentalist Phenomenon".

Falwell's book is a good summary.  However, about 2/3 of the way through, he begins defending his leaning towards liberalism more than writing history.  If you look at it as period propaganda, it is good history.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

For a wealth of original documents:  http://www.standardbearer.org/shop/Detail.aspx?ID=566

The website also has a host of other materials that may be of use to you.

 

[Just John]

I'm trying to compile some history on fundamentalism.  I'm finding its hard to find objective material.  Everything is either glowingly positive or extremely negative.
So far I've got George Marsdens books (which are objective but limited) and a couple of bios on J Frank Norris and John R Rice.  I've also read "The Sword of The Lord".  Anybody know of anything else?

"The Fundamentalist Movement" by Jerry Falwell and Ed Dobson

I misspoke.  The title of the book was "The Fundamentalist Phenomenon".

Falwell's book is a good summary.  However, about 2/3 of the way through, he begins defending his leaning towards liberalism more than writing history.  If you look at it as period propaganda, it is good history.

In the historical sense of "liberalism" in the fundamentalist movement Falwell was anything but a "liberal" nor "leaned" towards one. This is a big problem in the IFBx world, because one brother allows contemporary music, women wearing pants and any other version of the Bible than the KJVersion they are "liberal". Crazy.

 

[Agent P]

I'm trying to compile some history on fundamentalism.  I'm finding its hard to find objective material.  Everything is either glowingly positive or extremely negative.
So far I've got George Marsdens books (which are objective but limited) and a couple of bios on J Frank Norris and John R Rice.  I've also read "The Sword of The Lord".  Anybody know of anything else?

"The Fundamentalist Movement" by Jerry Falwell and Ed Dobson

I misspoke.  The title of the book was "The Fundamentalist Phenomenon".

Falwell's book is a good summary.  However, about 2/3 of the way through, he begins defending his leaning towards liberalism more than writing history.  If you look at it as period propaganda, it is good history.

And in all honesty, Falwell and Dobson appear to make no bones about it being propaganda as such.  They boast about fundamentalism making a resurgence (circa 1980s).  A good caveat, BinacaChugger.

 

[Torrent v.3]

http://www.amazon.com/History-Fundamentalism-America-George-Dollar/dp/B0000EEKZL

A very good history.

yes, it is a comprehensive history from the inside.  It has all the dates and places and people, and he categorizes them as fundamentalist, evangelical, neo-evangelical, etc.  He puts everyone in a box. That is why I liked it so much when I was a fire breathing fundamentalist.  To me, everything was black and white and little gray.  That has changed, and I like Marsden better now.  Yeah, you can call me a liberal, pink lemonade sippin compromiser.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

http://www.amazon.com/History-Fundamentalism-America-George-Dollar/dp/B0000EEKZL

A very good history.

yes, it is a comprehensive history from the inside.  It has all the dates and places and people, and he categorizes them as fundamentalist, evangelical, neo-evangelical, etc.  He puts everyone in a box. That is why I liked it so much when I was a fire breathing fundamentalist.  To me, everything was black and white and little gray.  That has changed, and I like Marsden better now.  Yeah, you can call me a liberal, pink lemonade sippin compromiser.

So you no longer go barn-stormin, window-rattlin and shingle-pullin?  Stinkin liburrul. 

 

[Fresh Air]

In the historical sense of "liberalism" in the fundamentalist movement Falwell was anything but a "liberal" nor "leaned" towards one. This is a big problem in the IFBx world, because one brother allows contemporary music, women wearing pants and any other version of the Bible than the KJVersion they are "liberal". Crazy.

Obviously I'm against all three specific examples you cited, but your larger point is valid and I agree with it completely. The ramifications of thus mis-labeling brethren in Christ with whom we disagree is an ever-changing re-definition of 'fundamentalism' (of which I am the author), and a sense of actual brethren in Christ with whom we disagree as being the enemy. Both of those either result from or contribute to (or both) the wrong use of the word 'liberal.'

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Falwell's book is a good summary.  However, about 2/3 of the way through, he begins defending his leaning towards liberalism more than writing history.  If you look at it as period propaganda, it is good history.

In the historical sense of "liberalism" in the fundamentalist movement Falwell was anything but a "liberal" nor "leaned" towards one. This is a big problem in the IFBx world, because one brother allows contemporary music, women wearing pants and any other version of the Bible than the KJVersion they are "liberal". Crazy.

Liberalism:  Individual freedom of action and expression; tolerant; not bound by traditional or conventional ideas or values; open-minded; broad; not strict or rigorous; free; not literal; generous

I believe I used the word correctly.  Maybe the difference is how far back in history you are going.  In the early 1900's, a liberal was challenging translations of Scripture, denying pre-millenialism and adopting modernist viewpoints.  The Fundamentalists rallied to defend the ancient views of Christianity.  This group came from many sub-groups within Christiandom and would later fragment upon realizing differences with each other after the Scopes trial puric victory.  Today, there are fundamental Baptists, fundamental Lutherans, fundamental Methodists.....

I don't know Falwell's view of end-times, but he challenged translations and adopted modernistic approaches to ministry.  Changes began to occur within his ministry that are the definition of Liberal.

I am not trying to discredit the influence of his ministry.  I was simply pointing out that his book begins as a history and ends as a defense.  Self-published, this becomes propaganda.  Propaganda can be viewed as a part of history, but the reader should approach it as such.

 

[Torrent v.3]

http://www.amazon.com/History-Fundamentalism-America-George-Dollar/dp/B0000EEKZL

A very good history.

yes, it is a comprehensive history from the inside.  It has all the dates and places and people, and he categorizes them as fundamentalist, evangelical, neo-evangelical, etc.  He puts everyone in a box. That is why I liked it so much when I was a fire breathing fundamentalist.  To me, everything was black and white and little gray.  That has changed, and I like Marsden better now.  Yeah, you can call me a liberal, pink lemonade sippin compromiser.

So you no longer go barn-stormin, window-rattlin and shingle-pullin?  Stinkin liburrul. 

Well, if I were to preach, I would do some window rattlin, and probably some shingle pullin.  But barn stormin?  Not on your life.