Hacker Yuppies

[RAIDER]

I was talking to a friend yesterday and he made a comment that make me stop and think.  He knows many HAC grads from the 70s, 80s, and 90s that are in the ministry.  His comment had to do with the HAC students and grads from the 2000s (The Schaap years).  He claims that there is a noticeable difference in the two groups.

The gentleman had a close relative who was recently married.  The wide majority of those in the wedding party were HAC students.  He noticed a "cockiness" and arrogance among these young people.  He noticed a change in the standard level.  He said their behavior and actions were quite different than other groups that he had been around through the years.

This gentleman also has two married ex-HAC couples from the 2000s that are involved in the church he attends.  He commented on their lack of commitment and hard work to the ministries in which they are involved.

This is something that I had not considered.  Now, I understand that he is basing his thoughts on a sampling size of 10 - 15 students.  We all know that all students are not this way.  I asked him if he thought the students of the 2000s were "Hacker Yuppies".  He said, "That's it!!"

Hacker Nation, what are your thoughts?  What kind of "product" did Schaap's regime produce?  Do you know some positive student stories?

 

[cpizzle]

Hacker Hipsters

"I liked Casting Crowns before they were mainstream"

"We only use organic juice and bread at our Lord's Supper"

"Let me look that verse up on my iPhone.  I have an app"

"I like to quote Jon Piper...you've probably never heard of him"

"That belief is so 1950's"

"Me moved our church to a downtown loft on the Upper Eastside"

"We hold our Sunday Night services at Higher Ground Coffee Shop"

"I spend more time tweeting the Bible that reading it"

"I didn't choose to be this hip, I was predestined"

"We canceled Thursday visitation for Yoga"

"Look, I don't have time to explain everything....just read my blog"

"I love taking mission trips to 1st world European cities"

"Our church has Free Wi-Fi"

"I don't use a Bible or sermon notes when I preach...an iPad is all I need"

"In the name of the Father, the Son, and Steve Jobs"

"I traded my in my black Stacey Adam's for light blue Keds"

 

[Tennessean]

I was talking to a friend yesterday and he made a comment that make me stop and think.  He knows many HAC grads from the 70s, 80s, and 90s that are in the ministry.  His comment had to do with the HAC students and grads from the 2000s (The Schaap years).  He claims that there is a noticeable difference in the two groups.

The gentleman had a close relative who was recently married.  The wide majority of those in the wedding party were HAC students.  He noticed a "cockiness" and arrogance among these young people.  He noticed a change in the standard level.  He said their behavior and actions were quite different than other groups that he had been around through the years.

This gentleman also has two married ex-HAC couples from the 2000s that are involved in the church he attends.  He commented on their lack of commitment and hard work to the ministries in which they are involved.

This is something that I had not considered.  Now, I understand that he is basing his thoughts on a sampling size of 10 - 15 students.  We all know that all students are not this way.  I asked him if he thought the students of the 2000s were "Hacker Yuppies".  He said, "That's it!!"

Hacker Nation, what are your thoughts?  What kind of "product" did Schaap's regime produce?  Do you know some positive student stories?

There is some truth to this. During the Hyles years students were instructed to be servants. It seems that during the years that followed that the college expected churches to serve them. You can see it especially in missionaries. There is a different spirit from a Hylander missionary from Bro. Hyles time that one from the Schaap years. I rarely will consider one who was from the Schaap years. Although I will say, being on deputation and being a missionary has a way of knocking that Schaap stuff out of you.

I started supporting several FBMI missionaries last year. On the receipt we receive is a statement that borders on arrogance telling us how to send our support check. From what I'm told this was how they operated under the Schaap years. Hopefully Bro. Wilkerson is changing that. He's not that kind of person.

 

[Bruh]

No, not only JS disciples.  JH as well.  I know a guy who graduated from HAC during JH tenure.  He can not commit to hardly anything and follows through with hardly nothing, and for sure never shows up on time for NOTHING.   

I believe all of this is due to the home they grew up in, not the college they attend.  A parent that sends their kids to bible college to "get character" probably  have none themselves.  By the time college rolls around, its to late people they are 9 times out of 10 set. 

 

[RAIDER]

No, not only JS disciples.  JH as well.  I know a guy who graduated from HAC during JH tenure.  He can not commit to hardly anything and follows through with hardly nothing, and for sure never shows up on time for NOTHING.   

I believe all of this is due to the home they grew up in, not the college they attend.  A parent that sends their kids to bible college to "get character" probably  have none themselves.  By the time college rolls around, its to late people they are 9 times out of 10 set.

I would heavily disagree with your initial thought.  Everyone knows "a guy".  We are talking about the big picture not just "a guy".  This is not a picture of a HAC graduate when Dr. Hyles was in charge.

 

[Still There]

I was talking to a friend yesterday and he made a comment that make me stop and think.  He knows many HAC grads from the 70s, 80s, and 90s that are in the ministry.  His comment had to do with the HAC students and grads from the 2000s (The Schaap years).  He claims that there is a noticeable difference in the two groups.

The gentleman had a close relative who was recently married.  The wide majority of those in the wedding party were HAC students.  He noticed a "cockiness" and arrogance among these young people.  He noticed a change in the standard level.  He said their behavior and actions were quite different than other groups that he had been around through the years.

This gentleman also has two married ex-HAC couples from the 2000s that are involved in the church he attends.  He commented on their lack of commitment and hard work to the ministries in which they are involved.

This is something that I had not considered.  Now, I understand that he is basing his thoughts on a sampling size of 10 - 15 students.  We all know that all students are not this way.  I asked him if he thought the students of the 2000s were "Hacker Yuppies".  He said, "That's it!!"

Hacker Nation, what are your thoughts?  What kind of "product" did Schaap's regime produce?  Do you know some positive student stories?

Raider:  You are very correct in saying that.  I think it's the technology world.  Some schools don't have textbooks, too costly.  I still love to carry by BIBLE!  Some people in the church do carry their IPad and it really does bother me, but I'm from the 70's.  I do have an IPhone and I need to upgrade, but I'm fighting it, because I still don't understand my IPhone.   

Schaap sure understood it.  They took away 17 electronic gadgets out of his home.  JH would have never had anything techy.  He used to say he couldn't understand the fax machine.  Look how old that is.  I learned the computer back in the late 70's.  It was a Wang.  OMG that was the most difficult thing to manuver.  I also was the "expert" on the teletype machine.  I would send those dotted ticker taped items all over the world.  Look where we are now. 

 

[Norefund]

Has there ever been a generation that thought the generations that followed were better? Why, back in my day........

 

[RAIDER]

Raider:  You are very correct in saying that.  I think it's the technology world.  Some schools don't have textbooks, too costly.  I still love to carry by BIBLE!  Some people in the church do carry their IPad and it really does bother me, but I'm from the 70's.  I do have an IPhone and I need to upgrade, but I'm fighting it, because I still don't understand my IPhone.   

Schaap sure understood it.  They took away 17 electronic gadgets out of his home.  JH would have never had anything techy.  He used to say he couldn't understand the fax machine.  Look how old that is.  I learned the computer back in the late 70's.  It was a Wang.  OMG that was the most difficult thing to manuver.  I also was the "expert" on the teletype machine.  I would send those dotted ticker taped items all over the world.  Look where we are now.

While you are correct in your post, the fellow with whom I spoke was not referring to the difference in technology.  He was referring to the difference in behavior. 

 

[RAIDER]

Has there ever been a generation that thought the generations that followed were better? Why, back in my day........

You also present a valid point, but this is not what the fellow with whom I spoke was referring to.  I could see how it would come across as a "better" thing.  It's more of a different attitude versus the attitude portrayed by those graduates from the previous 30 years.

 

[Bruh]

No, not only JS disciples.  JH as well.  I know a guy who graduated from HAC during JH tenure.  He can not commit to hardly anything and follows through with hardly nothing, and for sure never shows up on time for NOTHING.   

I believe all of this is due to the home they grew up in, not the college they attend.  A parent that sends their kids to bible college to "get character" probably  have none themselves.  By the time college rolls around, its to late people they are 9 times out of 10 set.

I would heavily disagree with your initial thought.  Everyone knows "a guy".  We are talking about the big picture not just "a guy".  This is not a picture of a HAC graduate when Dr. Hyles was in charge.

What I mean is, that what your friend has observed, I believe can be said of both.  I actually know 2 guys  that graduated from HAC that are like this. 

Again, I really believe it is the way a person is raised, not the college they attend. 

 

[Bruh]

Has there ever been a generation that thought the generations that followed were better? Why, back in my day........

You also present a valid point, but this is not what the fellow with whom I spoke was referring to.  I could see how it would come across as a "better" thing.  It's more of a different attitude versus the attitude portrayed by those graduates from the previous 30 years.

And the previous 30 years has raised what we have now. 

 

[RAIDER]

No, not only JS disciples.  JH as well.  I know a guy who graduated from HAC during JH tenure.  He can not commit to hardly anything and follows through with hardly nothing, and for sure never shows up on time for NOTHING.   

I believe all of this is due to the home they grew up in, not the college they attend.  A parent that sends their kids to bible college to "get character" probably  have none themselves.  By the time college rolls around, its to late people they are 9 times out of 10 set.

I would heavily disagree with your initial thought.  Everyone knows "a guy".  We are talking about the big picture not just "a guy".  This is not a picture of a HAC graduate when Dr. Hyles was in charge.

What I mean is, that what your friend has observed, I believe can be said of both.  I actually know 2 guys  that graduated from HAC that are like this. 

Again, I really believe it is the way a person is raised, not the college they attend.

I would definitely agree that the way a person is raised has much to do with the way they behave.  I would also say that a college makes a major impression on the life of a young person.  The college years continue to be formative years.

 

[RAIDER]

Has there ever been a generation that thought the generations that followed were better? Why, back in my day........

You also present a valid point, but this is not what the fellow with whom I spoke was referring to.  I could see how it would come across as a "better" thing.  It's more of a different attitude versus the attitude portrayed by those graduates from the previous 30 years.

And the previous 30 years has raised what we have now.

Actually there are MANY MORE good apples than bad from the previous 30 years.  There are multitudes of HAC grads in full time Christian service all over the map.  The few bad definitely do not come close to the many good.

 

[Bruh]

No, not only JS disciples.  JH as well.  I know a guy who graduated from HAC during JH tenure.  He can not commit to hardly anything and follows through with hardly nothing, and for sure never shows up on time for NOTHING.   

I believe all of this is due to the home they grew up in, not the college they attend.  A parent that sends their kids to bible college to "get character" probably  have none themselves.  By the time college rolls around, its to late people they are 9 times out of 10 set.

I would heavily disagree with your initial thought.  Everyone knows "a guy".  We are talking about the big picture not just "a guy".  This is not a picture of a HAC graduate when Dr. Hyles was in charge.

What I mean is, that what your friend has observed, I believe can be said of both.  I actually know 2 guys  that graduated from HAC that are like this. 

Again, I really believe it is the way a person is raised, not the college they attend.

I would definitely agree that the way a person is raised has much to do with the way they behave.  I would also say that a college makes a major impression on the life of a young person.  The college years continue to be formative years.

YES!! This is why I would have a really hard time, at this time in my life encouraging my children to attend any Bible college. 

 

[Bruh]

Has there ever been a generation that thought the generations that followed were better? Why, back in my day........

You also present a valid point, but this is not what the fellow with whom I spoke was referring to.  I could see how it would come across as a "better" thing.  It's more of a different attitude versus the attitude portrayed by those graduates from the previous 30 years.

And the previous 30 years has raised what we have now.

Actually there are MANY MORE good apples than bad from the previous 30 years.  There are multitudes of HAC grads in full time Christian service all over the map.  The few bad definitely do not come close to the many good.

I agree.

 

[RAIDER]

YES!! This is why I would have a really hard time, at this time in my life encouraging my children to attend any Bible college.

Five years ago I would not have agreed with you.  Today I agree 100%.

 

[kaba]

When Our first child went to look for a college we wanted a Christian college, and one with standards we lived by, so she went to Clearwater Christian. When the second one was looking we wanted a Christian one, but had to have sports, she went to a presbyterian one and then graduated from a non-demoninational college, When the son went we found a Southern Baptist College out of state, that was Division II (went for sports) The youngest is now looking.......we are checking out all instate, universities!

Not 5 but 10 years ago, they would have gone to an IFB College. Just have been so disappointed in the hypocrisy that comes from IFB colleges, and lack of good education I just dont want to put my children threw it.

 

[Fresh Air]

I agree with the premise of the OP. Bro. Hyles was proud, especially in the latter years, though he knew how to disguise it. Jack Schaap was beyond proud; he was arrogant. And he bred that into the college during his years in charge. I'm highly skeptical of anybody who went through that place during his tenure, especially the latter half.

Additionally, Jack Schaap was a much weaker fundamentalist than Bro. Hyles. He embraced much more than new technology. He was clearly moving in the direction of embracing much of the contemporary crowd's methods. That shows in his graduates as well. And I simply cannot abide that junk. It is one of the reasons I gave up on HAC years before JS went publicly haywire.

I'm not saying the HAC grads under Hyles were good and those are Schaap were bad. Such a broad brush isn't accurate. But I do find myself having much more in common and feeling much more comfortable with those who were there under Bro. Hyles, from any of those decades, than I do with those from the decade under Schaap.

 

[RAIDER]

When Our first child went to look for a college we wanted a Christian college, and one with standards we lived by, so she went to Clearwater Christian. When the second one was looking we wanted a Christian one, but had to have sports, she went to a presbyterian one and then graduated from a non-demoninational college, When the son went we found a Southern Baptist College out of state, that was Division II (went for sports) The youngest is now looking.......we are checking out all instate, universities!

Not 5 but 10 years ago, they would have gone to an IFB College. Just have been so disappointed in the hypocrisy that comes from IFB colleges, and lack of good education I just dont want to put my children threw it.

In other words, you have become stinkin' (I love that word!) liberals!!

 

[RAIDER]

I agree with the premise of the OP. Bro. Hyles was proud, especially in the latter years, though he knew how to disguise it. Jack Schaap was beyond proud; he was arrogant. And he bred that into the college during his years in charge. I'm highly skeptical of anybody who went through that place during his tenure, especially the latter half.

Additionally, Jack Schaap was a much weaker fundamentalist than Bro. Hyles. He embraced much more than new technology. He was clearly moving in the direction of embracing much of the contemporary crowd's methods. That shows in his graduates as well. And I simply cannot abide that junk. It is one of the reasons I gave up on HAC years before JS went publicly haywire.

I'm not saying the HAC grads under Hyles were good and those are Schaap were bad. Such a broad brush isn't accurate. But I do find myself having much more in common and feeling much more comfortable with those who were there under Bro. Hyles, from any of those decades, than I do with those from the decade under Schaap.

Nicely done!