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[Baptist City Holdout]

I remember DH preaching in Bridgetown NJ in 1974. He was 19. In a Q&A session where he told what was wrong with a whole lot of ministries...

These couple of sentences really sum up the whole problem. He was elevated far above where he should have been at that age. There is a reason Scripture says, "Not a novice." Pride lurks in every person's heart but it absolutely rages in young people. What a terrible combination of youth, pride, success, and stardom he had. How could he not go down in flames?

I wrote a whole chapter in Schizophrenic specifically about this problem of elevating young men. It is devastating.

Exactly what I thought. Even more disturbing that Dave was hosting a Q and A at 19 was that some pastor had the great idea.

 

[16KJV11]

I remember DH preaching in Bridgetown NJ in 1974. He was 19. In a Q&A session where he told what was wrong with a whole lot of ministries...

These couple of sentences really sum up the whole problem. He was elevated far above where he should have been at that age. There is a reason Scripture says, "Not a novice." Pride lurks in every person's heart but it absolutely rages in young people. What a terrible combination of youth, pride, success, and stardom he had. How could he not go down in flames?

I wrote a whole chapter in Schizophrenic specifically about this problem of elevating young men. It is devastating.

Exactly what I thought. Even more disturbing that Dave was hosting a Q and A at 19 was that some pastor had the great idea.

He was still wearing diapers at 19... :

 

[LongGone]

I remember DH preaching in Bridgetown NJ in 1974. He was 19. In a Q&A session where he told what was wrong with a whole lot of ministries...

These couple of sentences really sum up the whole problem. He was elevated far above where he should have been at that age. There is a reason Scripture says, "Not a novice." Pride lurks in every person's heart but it absolutely rages in young people. What a terrible combination of youth, pride, success, and stardom he had. How could he not go down in flames?

I wrote a whole chapter in Schizophrenic specifically about this problem of elevating young men. It is devastating.

Exactly what I thought. Even more disturbing that Dave was hosting a Q and A at 19 was that some pastor had the great idea.

Obviously the pastor hold some responsibility. The Q&A was to be about the FBCH Youth Ministry which was considered large at its time. Greater responsibility goes to the "person" who put him in charge. He was already holding Youth Conferences and scores of pastors were sending their kids. I believe he did thr Q&A for the most part whenever he traveled. This was not my church or pastor so I am not defending just trying to put out the facts as I remember them.

 

[sword]

When did the idea or concept of having the pastor's son automatically become his dad's successor start.
I also question the idea of the Pastor's son automatically becoming the youth pastor of the church.

The problem, as I see it, is the sons or son in laws often take over without ever accomplishing anything on their own. This practice also seems to replace the Holy Spirit and the will of the membership for the sake of nepotism.

 

[RAIDER]

When did the idea or concept of having the pastor's son automatically become his dad's successor start.
I also question the idea of the Pastor's son automatically becoming the youth pastor of the church.

The problem, as I see it, is the sons or son in laws often take over without ever accomplishing anything on their own. This practice also seems to replace the Holy Spirit and the will of the membership for the sake of nepotism.

I agree with you to a point.  I have seen wonderful success and terrible failure.  It is a common practice in business for a son to follow in his father's footsteps and "take over" the business when the father retires.  I do realize that we are talking about a church and not a business.

I believe a preacher that is going to retire or leave a ministry should leave the choice up to the membership of the church.  If there is a son that is interested in the position I don't believe there is anything wrong with the father mentioning it to the deacons.  If the deacons agree, the son should candidate and be voted on just like anyone else.  It is definitely wrong to "force" a son on a congregation.

 

[Jim Jones]

There are no success stories to cite.

Obviously JH wanted DH to proceed him. Fail.

BG? He has given his son a failing ministry. Fail from the start. No other way to go but up.

The only story that fits is Joel Olsteen.

Let's model him. Ha!

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

I remember DH preaching in Bridgetown NJ in 1974. He was 19. In a Q&A session where he told what was wrong with a whole lot of ministries...

These couple of sentences really sum up the whole problem. He was elevated far above where he should have been at that age. There is a reason Scripture says, "Not a novice." Pride lurks in every person's heart but it absolutely rages in young people. What a terrible combination of youth, pride, success, and stardom he had. How could he not go down in flames?

I wrote a whole chapter in Schizophrenic specifically about this problem of elevating young men. It is devastating.

Exactly what I thought. Even more disturbing that Dave was hosting a Q and A at 19 was that some pastor had the great idea.

Obviously the pastor hold some responsibility. The Q&A was to be about the FBCH Youth Ministry which was considered large at its time. Greater responsibility goes to the "person" who put him in charge. He was already holding Youth Conferences and scores of pastors were sending their kids. I believe he did thr Q&A for the most part whenever he traveled. This was not my church or pastor so I am not defending just trying to put out the facts as I remember them.

Thank you.

 

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