FBCH/Pastor Wilkerson/KJV

[RAIDER]

Recently there has been a lot of discussion on the FFF concerning the KJV.  I am wondering what Pastor Wilkerson's stand is on the topic?

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

I have a feeling he uses the KJV.

 

[RAIDER]

I have a feeling he uses the KJV.

I'm sure he does.  I am interested where he stands on the KJV issue.

 

[Fresh Air]

I would not take it upon myself to speak for him, but in my experience he is as conservative as FBCH was under Bro. Hyles in his latter years, albeit in a kinder, gentler manner.

He's a compassionate conservative, so to speak.

 

[Twisted]

I would not take it upon myself to speak for him, but in my experience he is as conservative as FBCH was under Bro. Hyles in his latter years, albeit in a kinder, gentler manner.

He's a compassionate conservative, so to speak.

That's not an answer to the OP.

 

[Twisted]

Recently there has been a lot of discussion on the FFF concerning the KJV.  I am wondering what Pastor Wilkerson's stand is on the topic?

My guess is that he would never publically take a position.

The church has never had a practice of teaching much of anything concerning doctrine or positions.  Now maybe this has changed as I don't follow what goes on there at all.

Personally, as long as they preach and teach from the KJV (and doesn't attempt to correct it) and don't use other versions, I don't care what his personal position is. 

 

[RAIDER]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP. We know FBCH under the leadership of Dr. Hyles was a "KJV preferred" church for many years.  The belief was that the KJV was the best translation but still had some mistranslations.  We then know that Dr. Hyles changed and stood on the belief that the KJV was the perfect inerrant preserved Word of God.  I am wondering where Brother Wilkerson stands on the issue. 

 

[Twisted]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP.

Then call him or go there and corner him and get an answer.

 

[RAIDER]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP.

Then call him or go there and corner him and get an answer.

Why would I do that when there are people on the FFF that attend FBCH that would know the answer?

 

[Twisted]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP.

Then call him or go there and corner him and get an answer.

Why would I do that when there are people on the FFF that attend FBCH that would know the answer?

1.  No one has answered yet.

2.  We are way too busy on bus routes.

 

[RAIDER]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP.

Then call him or go there and corner him and get an answer.

Why would I do that when there are people on the FFF that attend FBCH that would know the answer?

1.  No one has answered yet.

2.  We are way too busy on bus routes.

BKW will come through.

 

[TidesofTruth]

BKW will come through.

I think we did this already.

From this thread
http://www.fundamentalforums.org/hyles-anderson-college/is-fbc-kjv-only/

Quote from our corporate by-laws.


Scripture
We believe the Word of God as found in the sixty-six (66) books from Genesis to Revelation is infallible and inerrant and perfect;1 it is the plenary and verbally inspired2 words of God to men.3 We believe God has also preserved every single word4 through the ages.

1 Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; 2 II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:21; 3 Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; 4 Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; I Peter 1:25.

God has divinely preserved His words for English-speaking people in the King James Version. The King James Version is the translation used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people.




The footnote was a bone we included for those who lean KJVO.

We purposely excluded the word only from the footnote.

You could put any valid version in the place of KJV and there would be agreement.

JW agreed to our by-laws, they do not exclude those who are not KJVO.

I am certainly not KJVO.

JW agreed to our by-laws, they do not exclude those who are not KJVO.

I am certainly not KJVO.

As an honest deacon I think you should go to JW and tell him that you are not KJV only.  I'm sure he won't care.

I met with him shortly after he became pastor. We discussed the writing of the by-laws and why they say what they say. They were written at a time when the church was very fragile. All of the writers of the by-laws are in opposition to the KJVO position that says only the KJV is the word of God. More specifically, against the theory of double inspiration that gives rise to the "KJV can correct the Hebrew and the Greek", false doctrine.

We know that we have many people in our congregation that are died in the wool KJVOxers while at the same time there are many who are much less vocal but who are just as opposed to the KJVO position.

This one issue has been used to divide and destroy many good New Testament congregations and we did not want that happening at FBCH. We had the fixings for a good fight.

We realized that good people can disagree and that we had to come up something that both sides could affirm.

So this two sentence footnote is the result. Lawyers helped craft the by-laws.

The by-laws state in the footnote and explanation of the main Scripture point;


"God has divinely preserved His words for English-speaking people in the King James Version."


KJVOs can affirm and all of us who are not KJVO can also affirm this without any reservation.
We can also affirm that God has used other valid versions to preserve His words for English-speaking people too.
This is implied because the word only is not used.


"The King James Version is the translation used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people."


This wording was found to be satisfactory to both factions.

Please be aware that the by-laws do not say the KJV shall be the only Bible version used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people, rather it states a general fact that indicates the current practice of the congregation is to use the KJV translation in all the ministries.

This is a soul liberty issue. We listened to him give several sessions on Baptist Distinctives while he was still at the old church. He is big on soul liberty and priesthood of the believer as am I.

He prefers to use the KJV for all public use, which is just fine with me, I like it too as it's keyed to the Hebrew and Greek in most phone apps. It's a win win all around.

So the result is that those who want to use the kJV will still hear it in public and those that want to use other versions can do so as well, both are acceptable.

Soul liberty.

We don't have to run the lives of others. They can make their own choices.

 

[RAIDER]

BKW will come through.

I think we did this already.

From this thread
http://www.fundamentalforums.org/hyles-anderson-college/is-fbc-kjv-only/

Quote from our corporate by-laws.


Scripture
We believe the Word of God as found in the sixty-six (66) books from Genesis to Revelation is infallible and inerrant and perfect;1 it is the plenary and verbally inspired2 words of God to men.3 We believe God has also preserved every single word4 through the ages.

1 Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; 2 II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:21; 3 Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; 4 Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; I Peter 1:25.

God has divinely preserved His words for English-speaking people in the King James Version. The King James Version is the translation used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people.




The footnote was a bone we included for those who lean KJVO.

We purposely excluded the word only from the footnote.

You could put any valid version in the place of KJV and there would be agreement.

JW agreed to our by-laws, they do not exclude those who are not KJVO.

I am certainly not KJVO.

JW agreed to our by-laws, they do not exclude those who are not KJVO.

I am certainly not KJVO.

As an honest deacon I think you should go to JW and tell him that you are not KJV only.  I'm sure he won't care.

I met with him shortly after he became pastor. We discussed the writing of the by-laws and why they say what they say. They were written at a time when the church was very fragile. All of the writers of the by-laws are in opposition to the KJVO position that says only the KJV is the word of God. More specifically, against the theory of double inspiration that gives rise to the "KJV can correct the Hebrew and the Greek", false doctrine.

We know that we have many people in our congregation that are died in the wool KJVOxers while at the same time there are many who are much less vocal but who are just as opposed to the KJVO position.

This one issue has been used to divide and destroy many good New Testament congregations and we did not want that happening at FBCH. We had the fixings for a good fight.

We realized that good people can disagree and that we had to come up something that both sides could affirm.

So this two sentence footnote is the result. Lawyers helped craft the by-laws.

The by-laws state in the footnote and explanation of the main Scripture point;


"God has divinely preserved His words for English-speaking people in the King James Version."


KJVOs can affirm and all of us who are not KJVO can also affirm this without any reservation.
We can also affirm that God has used other valid versions to preserve His words for English-speaking people too.
This is implied because the word only is not used.


"The King James Version is the translation used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people."


This wording was found to be satisfactory to both factions.

Please be aware that the by-laws do not say the KJV shall be the only Bible version used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people, rather it states a general fact that indicates the current practice of the congregation is to use the KJV translation in all the ministries.

This is a soul liberty issue. We listened to him give several sessions on Baptist Distinctives while he was still at the old church. He is big on soul liberty and priesthood of the believer as am I.

He prefers to use the KJV for all public use, which is just fine with me, I like it too as it's keyed to the Hebrew and Greek in most phone apps. It's a win win all around.

So the result is that those who want to use the kJV will still hear it in public and those that want to use other versions can do so as well, both are acceptable.

Soul liberty.

We don't have to run the lives of others. They can make their own choices.

Thank you for re-posting this.  So when I read that "God has divinely preserved his words for English speaking people in the KJV" I would take that to mean that JW is KJVO and that he does not believe there are mistranslations or errors.  He would be against the use of any other version.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Did you read my explaination?

 

[RAIDER]

Did you read my explaination?

Yes, I did.  I also read what the bi-laws state.  Is this statement incorrect?

So when I read that "God has divinely preserved his words for English speaking people in the KJV" I would take that to mean that JW is KJVO and that he does not believe there are mistranslations or errors.  He would be against the use of any other version.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Did you read my explanation?

Yes, I did.  I also read what the bi-laws state.  Is this statement incorrect?

So when I read that "God has divinely preserved his words for English speaking people in the KJV" I would take that to mean that JW is KJVO and that he does not believe there are mistranslations or errors.  He would be against the use of any other version.

I do not know how I could explain it any better. To begin with this statement of faith is a bare bones dumbed down version with just enough to be agreeable to most people in our church. More detail would have brought disagreements. Getting this approved was a herculean task.

In Bro. Hyles day he would have whipped the people into a frenzy and hauled in bus kids to vote. Even though only those 18 and over are eligible. Well now we have many more knowledgeable people watching such shenanigans would not be tolerated.

It took a lot of heavy lifting to get this passed.

The one thing we learned from Bro. Hyles is that pastors don't pay attention to the by laws anyway.

 

[Twisted]

Did you read my explaination?

Yes, I did.  I also read what the bi-laws state.  Is this statement incorrect?

So when I read that "God has divinely preserved his words for English speaking people in the KJV" I would take that to mean that JW is KJVO and that he does not believe there are mistranslations or errors.  He would be against the use of any other version.

Whatever.

This does not address the OP at all, except to say that JW goes along with it.  It says nothing of his personal convictions.

I stand by my statement that he will never take a public position.

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP. We know FBCH under the leadership of Dr. Hyles was a "KJV preferred" church for many years.  The belief was that the KJV was the best translation but still had some mistranslations.  We then know that Dr. Hyles changed and stood on the belief that the KJV was the perfect inerrant preserved Word of God.  I am wondering where Brother Wilkerson stands on the issue.

Wilkerson believes the KJV is the preserved Word of God for the English speaking people. He is not KJV-only though.

 

[Twisted]

I would like to have an accurate answer to the OP. We know FBCH under the leadership of Dr. Hyles was a "KJV preferred" church for many years.  The belief was that the KJV was the best translation but still had some mistranslations.  We then know that Dr. Hyles changed and stood on the belief that the KJV was the perfect inerrant preserved Word of God.  I am wondering where Brother Wilkerson stands on the issue.

Wilkerson believes the KJV is the preserved Word of God for the English speaking people. He is not KJV-only though.

Sounds quaint.

Does he believe that when he holds the King James Bible in his hands, that he holds the inspired Holy Scriptures?

 

[WESLEY]

Recently there has been a lot of discussion on the FFF concerning the KJV.  I am wondering what Pastor Wilkerson's stand is on the topic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7zmDPunfU

Straight from his own mouth... start @ 25:29