Do you think Eddie L

[Sherryh]

sleeps well at night for sending over 40 people home with no jobs...I just talked to CW and he has nothing to say about FBC ....it didn't shock me maybe I am surprised...have we lost how to care for people....

 

[Norefund]

When did he fire 40 people?

 

[Walt]

I suspect that he is being blamed for the firing of 40 people under Schaap because he (EL) was supposed to be watching over the finances, but let Schaap do whatever he wanted because he was "The Authority" to whom one was supposed to obey without question.

 

[bgwilkinson]

EL had no choice.

There was an extreme bloat of employees with no money to pay them.

Yes it started under JS but when he left the deacons ordered EL to clean house.

He had to reduce the payroll to a level that could be sustained.

FBCH had gotten to the point where it was like a welfare agency.

Hundreds of employees had become a point of pride.

It is just like any other business that does not keep expenses to where they can be covered by the current revenue. Something has to give, or rather to go.

 

[Norefund]

Because Sherry posted this today, I thought something had recently happened. It's terrible when people lose their jobs for any reason. For all the faults of FBC, I agree that a practical stance on the number and necessity of employees is prudent, even for a church. It is never easy to lay off or fire employees, even when they deserve it.

 

[Sherryh]

bg I have friends that are deacons they knew nothing about the firing of those people.

 

[Sherryh]

It's hard for me to understand working somewhere for 40 + years and being told it's time to go.....this man had 0 to say ...but only in America can you rebuild and rise again...it still has me thinking did EL take a cut in pay did they hire anyone back...thank you Walt for your info ... and bg

 

[bgwilkinson]

I guess I don't know to which round of firings you are referring.

Here is the one I was thinking it was.

The biggest house cleaning came after the egg man came to town to find out where his money went.

I have heard estimates from 60 million to 100 million and beyond over a period of 15 plus years

He said it was to go for hard assets instead it went to pay salaries.

Every ministry lost a large percentage of it's work force.

The egg money went away, so the salaries that were being paid by the brown eggs also had to go away.

Eddie was hired by the deacons to clean up the mess. It seems mean but it was the only choice.

I know many don't like EL, but he had no choice, he did what had to be done.

The choice was between the cuts or closing the doors and turning off the lights, going out of business.

We were living well beyond our means for several years thanks to the egg man's welfare.

We had to face the truth and learn to live with it.


The truth will set you free.

 

[bgwilkinson]

As for CW he was within weeks of being able to retire, it was a travesty to fire him at that point in his life. He is clearly greatly missed. The orchestra has yet to recover, it will take years to get to where it was when he left. Best Years has gone to zero.

RE was another that was let go so they didn't have to pay him retirement.
There are just a few left in maintenance.

These do leave a bad taste and are not really related to the egg man's cut-off of funds.

 

[Walt]

As for CW he was within weeks of being able to retire, it was a travesty to fire him at that point in his life. He is clearly greatly missed. The orchestra has yet to recover, it will take years to get to where it was when he left. Best Years has gone to zero.

RE was another that was let go so they didn't have to pay him retirement.
There are just a few left in maintenance.

These do leave a bad taste and are not really related to the egg man's cut-off of funds.

In a business, this would be called age discrimination.

 

[Techmedic]

CW don't even got to FBCH anymore (If this is who I'm thinking it is). He talked about how they fired him and didn't want him around anymore either and how bad it hurt to put 40 years in someplace and just like that be told "We don't want you here anymore". Well at least he's in a good church now and a Deacon as well.

 

[tobytyler]

CW don't even got to FBCH anymore (If this is who I'm thinking it is). He talked about how they fired him and didn't want him around anymore either and how bad it hurt to put 40 years in someplace and just like that be told "We don't want you here anymore". Well at least he's in a good church now and a Deacon as well.

I feel that FBC lost many faithful members who had been there for decades over the dismissal of these staff members.  I know that CW's mother-in-law and her husband left FBC at the same time, and there aren't two finer people than those two.  It's sad to see people like that leave after they've put years and years into not only the church, but also the members and children in the church, as well.

 

[Sherryh]

yes you all know who im talking about..........thank you  for your input...We talk to CW every few months. Why I ask is im trying to make sense of church decisions that affect your life forever.

 

[prophet]

As for CW he was within weeks of being able to retire, it was a travesty to fire him at that point in his life. He is clearly greatly missed. The orchestra has yet to recover, it will take years to get to where it was when he left. Best Years has gone to zero.

RE was another that was let go so they didn't have to pay him retirement.
There are just a few left in maintenance.

These do leave a bad taste and are not really related to the egg man's cut-off of funds.

In a business, this would be called age discrimination.

In Christianity, this is called an obvious revelation that those who did the deed are not God's.

 

[16KJV11]

CW don't even got to FBCH anymore (If this is who I'm thinking it is). He talked about how they fired him and didn't want him around anymore either and how bad it hurt to put 40 years in someplace and just like that be told "We don't want you here anymore". Well at least he's in a good church now and a Deacon as well.

Was Troy Blackwell your English teacher? ???

 

[Bravo]

CW's son and family stills goes to FBC. I don't know of anyone that left due to staff firings. Of course I haven't spoken to all that many either. I know a lot of people have left of course, but how many due to staff firings I wouldn't know.

 

[Techmedic]

CW don't even got to FBCH anymore (If this is who I'm thinking it is). He talked about how they fired him and didn't want him around anymore either and how bad it hurt to put 40 years in someplace and just like that be told "We don't want you here anymore". Well at least he's in a good church now and a Deacon as well.

Was Troy Blackwell your English teacher? ???

I told you it was worse... I went to Lake Central

 

[qwerty]

...the deacons ordered EL to clean house.

Then maybe EL should have starting with himself.....

He did not even have the guts to meet the employees himself, but left it to a lower level employee that was hired years and decades after the personnel that he was telling to take a hike.

Business is business......


and cowardice is cowardice.

 

[TidesofTruth]

...the deacons ordered EL to clean house.

Then maybe EL should have starting with himself.....

He did not even have the guts to meet the employees himself, but left it to a lower level employee that was hired years and decades after the personnel that he was telling to take a hike.

Business is business......


and cowardice is cowardice.

You mean the Human Resources Director.  Yes that was terrible to leave it to the man who was in charge of HR.

/sarcasm

 

[qwerty]

You mean the Human Resources Director.  Yes that was terrible to leave it to the man who was in charge of HR.

/sarcasm

Then maybe EL should have starting with himself.....

He did not even have the guts to meet the employees himself, but left it to a lower level employee that was hired years and decades after the personnel that he was telling to take a hike.

Business is business......


and cowardice is cowardice.