Discussion of the proper form and function of preaching.

Castor Muscular said:
ALAYMAN said:
Nice, really nice.  Indeed, some preachers use emotion in the way you intimate to solicit a manipulated decision by elevating the visceral over the cerebral,
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A good example of this would be a preacher who ignores all of the scripture references to wine and strong drink in their proper context, pulls out a single out-of-context verse, and justifies his interpretation of it by telling tear-jerking stories about all the lives he's seen destroyed by alcohol.
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I don't do that, I got into a little controversy last year when I covered drinking as we went thru Mark's Gospel.
But, I don't have any stories of the lives that have been enhanced by alcohol.... :)
 
[quote author=ALAYMAN]No, that's not what I am saying at all.  Castor's merely trying to yank chains.  My point in a nutshell regarding emotions is that they are to be subordinate to the mind...[/quote]

No. They should be co-equal, not one subordinate to the other.
 
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I don't do that, I got into a little controversy last year when I covered drinking as we went thru Mark's Gospel. But, I don't have any stories of the lives that have been enhanced by alcohol.... :)[/quote]

You could have went with Martin Luther. ;)
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=ALAYMAN]No, that's not what I am saying at all.  Castor's merely trying to yank chains.  My point in a nutshell regarding emotions is that they are to be subordinate to the mind...
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No. They should be co-equal, not one subordinate to the other.
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Based on what argument?
 
ALAYMAN said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=ALAYMAN]No, that's not what I am saying at all.  Castor's merely trying to yank chains.  My point in a nutshell regarding emotions is that they are to be subordinate to the mind...
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No. They should be co-equal, not one subordinate to the other.
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Based on what argument?[/quote]

The fact that human existence cannot be compartmentalized?
 
rsc2a said:
The fact that human existence cannot be compartmentalized?
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How is it "compartmentalization" to say that emotions, intellect, and will are all part of our being but that one aspect ought to drive that other?
 
ALAYMAN said:
rsc2a said:
The fact that human existence cannot be compartmentalized?
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How is it "compartmentalization" to say that emotions, intellect, and will are all part of our being but that one aspect ought to drive that other?
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Because we don't function that way as human beings. Instead of seeing emotion, intellect, physical characteristics, spiritual makeup, etc.. as pieces of a puzzle that make a picture, a better picture would be that they are all threads that are intertwined to make a tapestry.
 
rsc2a said:
Because we don't function that way as human beings. Instead of seeing emotion, intellect, physical characteristics, spiritual makeup, etc.. as pieces of a puzzle that make a picture, a better picture would be that they are all threads that are intertwined to make a tapestry.
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Well, I have no idea how that has anything to do with what I am stating, but to put it in simple terms, reality is that which most closely corresponds to truth, and our thoughts ought to be based on the word of God.  When that occurs, our feelings will follow with corresponding appropriate emotions (under normal biological circumstances).  Our feelings are prone to be deceptive, but proper thinking, based in the truth of God's word, is never wrong nor subjective.  Feelings can not only be subjective, but misleading, which is why the Bible says that the heart is desparately wicked.
 
ALAYMAN said:
rsc2a said:
Because we don't function that way as human beings. Instead of seeing emotion, intellect, physical characteristics, spiritual makeup, etc.. as pieces of a puzzle that make a picture, a better picture would be that they are all threads that are intertwined to make a tapestry.
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Well, I have no idea how that has anything to do with what I am stating, but to put it in simple terms, reality is that which most closely corresponds to truth, and our thoughts ought to be based on the word of God.  When that occurs, our feelings will follow with corresponding appropriate emotions (under normal biological circumstances).  Our feelings are prone to be deceptive, but proper thinking, based in the truth of God's word, is never wrong nor subjective. Feelings can not only be subjective, but misleading, which is why the Bible says that the heart is desparately wicked.
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Well, I have no idea how that has anything to do with what I am stating, but to put it in simple terms, reality is that which most closely corresponds to truth, and our emotions ought to be based on the word of God.  When that occurs, our thoughts will follow with corresponding appropriate conclusions (under normal biological circumstances).  Our thoughts are prone to be deceptive, but proper emotions, based in the truth of God's word, is never wrong nor subjective.  Intellect can not only be subjective, but misleading, which is why the Bible says that man has exchanged truth for a lie.

Hmm..
 
rsc2a said:
Well, I have no idea how that has anything to do with what I am stating, but to put it in simple terms, reality is that which most closely corresponds to truth, and our emotions ought to be based on the word of God.  When that occurs, our thoughts will follow with corresponding appropriate conclusions (under normal biological circumstances).  Our thoughts are prone to be deceptive, but proper emotions, based in the truth of God's word, is never wrong nor subjective.  Intellect can not only be subjective, but misleading, which is why the Bible says that man has exchanged truth for a lie.

Hmm..
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lol, go ahead and go with that.  Makes me no nevermind.  When Spurgeon, Cowper, and a host of others were drifting towards absolute despair I am certain that however they felt that they were glad that the truth was that God loved them, despite their mood.  God says He will transform us by the renewing of our mind, but you go ahead and believe that emotions should dictate truth, at your own peril.
 
New mind...new heart....new body....


Oh wait...
 
rsc2a said:
New mind...new heart....new body....


Oh wait...
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New body happens after we're resurrected. Until then, we're stuck with the one we have. And our body can affect our thoughts and emotions. So, even with the best heart for God, it ain't all necessarily going to be holy. Holy by imputation is what we have to rely on, and keep praying for God's help on the rest.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
I don't do that, I got into a little controversy last year when I covered drinking as we went thru Mark's Gospel.
But, I don't have any stories of the lives that have been enhanced by alcohol.... :)
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Outside of one or two people, I don't have a good enough memory to recall who does that and who doesn't.  But people do it.  You can condense their argument from emotion into, "I've seen lives and families destroyed by alcohol, therefore the Bible condemns all consumption of alcohol."  They don't put it that way, but that's what their argument boils down to. 

It's a fallacious argument.  The Bible says what it says, no matter what we've seen and how that has made us feel. 

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen lives and families destroyed by sex, yet I doubt if anyone would use that to claim the Bible condemns all sex under any circumstances.  It's easier to make the emotional argument about alcohol if you never drink, since your argument doesn't require you to give anything up.  What you REALLY want to do is make someone ELSE give it up.  On the other hand, nobody I know wants to have a life without sex or any hope of sex, so the latter is not such an appealing argument to make.  ;)

 
Izdaari said:
rsc2a said:
New mind...new heart....new body....


Oh wait...
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New body happens after we're resurrected. Until then, we're stuck with the one we have. And our body can affect our thoughts and emotions. So, even with the best heart for God, it ain't all necessarily going to be holy. Holy by imputation is what we have to rely on, and keep praying for God's help on the rest.
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Agreed.

My point was that one cannot elevate one over the other. :)
 
STOP THE PRESSES!

Sidlow Baxter is posthumously declared to be a heretic.....after authoring over 25 books, it wasn't discovered until today...on the fff.....by rsc2a!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
STOP THE PRESSES!

Sidlow Baxter is posthumously declared to be a heretic.....after authoring over 25 books, it wasn't discovered until today...on the fff.....by rsc2a!
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rsc2a has a ton of knowledge that the Bible talks about.













2 Tim 3:7

;)
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
STOP THE PRESSES!

Sidlow Baxter is posthumously declared to be a heretic.....after authoring over 25 books, it wasn't discovered until today...on the fff.....by rsc2a!
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I never said he was a heretic. I said that quote is heretical. There is a difference.

And, yes, anyone that says God is not going to redeem the emotions of mankind is making a heretical statement.

On a side note, who cares how many books he's written? Spong has written tons of books too, but his prolific writing doesn't make his words true.
 
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