Discerning the Modern Bibles As Declining From His Testimonies

  • Thread starter Thread starter Enow
  • Start date Start date
E

Enow

Guest
Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

For those that love the Lord that want to keep His words to continue in His words to be His disciple:  you are going to have to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you to discern the modern Bibles as declining from His testimonies, and are supporting false teachings as well as apostasies.

Bear in mind why the lost books were not accepted in the Bible that we have today.  It is because the lost books go against the accepted scripture as no lie can be of the truth.

Now when discerning modern Bibles, and most believers will agree that they do not all say the same thing, we should use that same format by discerning any changed testimonies regarding the Son when it goes against other references in that modern Bible.

If the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself ( John 16:13) and neither should we ( John 5:31) then the role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) in seeking the glory of the Son, ( John 16:14 ) as those led by the Spirit will be doing the same thing ( John 15:27 ) in having that shared combined testimony for it to be true ( John 8:17) because God as God is glorified in the Son ( John 13:31-32 ) and the only way to honour God the Father is by honouring the Son as that judgment is hanging over every believer's head ( John 5:22-23 ).  That is what it means to be His disciple in serving the Lord Jesus Christ in seeking His glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father as that is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship ( Philippians 2:5-11 ) and in fellowship ( 1 Corinthians 1:9 & 1 Corinthians 2:2) and in prayer ( 1 Timothy 2:5 & John 14:6-7 ) because there is no other way to approach God the Father in anything except through the Son.

The whole point of Him being the only Mediator between God and man is to be at that throne of grace to be our Advocate and interceding for us on our behalf to God the Father as it is by the Son of God that prayers are answered which is why and how the Father is glorified in the Son.  John 14:13-14

That means the Holy Spirit cannot make these intercessions directly Himself.

Romans 8:26-27 in all modern Bibles says He does.

But the King James Bible uses the term "itself" for a reason as these intercessions are being made with groanings which cannot be uttered, meaning no sound at all.  That is the point of verse 27 when it explains how these intercessions are being made by the Holy Spirit and that is by the Son of God knowing the mind of the Spirit as it is in according to the will of God of the Son being the only Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.

We can know that the "he" is the Word of God that searches our hearts per Hebrews 4:12-16 reference and confirmed in Romans 8:34 and so it should not be a mystery as to Who it is that knows the mind of the Spirit and thus why the Holy Spirit need to make no direct intercessions Himself.

Not all, but some modern Bibles go so far as to implay that sounds are being made in verse 26 as groanings which words cannot express wherein some believers take that to apply to tongues without interpretation to be used as a prayer language, and rationalized it as some form of secret communication between the Spirit and God so that the devil does not know what is being prayed for.

#1)  The devil could not do anything even if he did know what was prayed for.  Remember the Boo of Job?  If God answers, the devil cannot do anything about it because when God speaks, it will not return to Him void.

#2)  In Matthew 6:7-8, the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer so why is it that the Holy Spirit has to say anything by route of tongues as a prayer language?  None at all.

#3)  Paul said plainly what tongues were for, as it was of other men's lips to speak unto the people.  1 Corinthians 14:20-21

#4)  The only thing that is happening when this spirit cuts into a believer's personal time with the Lord in prayer is by interrupting him with a supernatural tongue of babbling nonsense, depriving the believer from having made known his prayer request for God to answers his prayers to give Him thanks in Jesus' name.

Can people find the gospel message in all of the Bibles? Sure.  But that is not what this is about.  It is about having the meat of His words to discern good and evil in order for believers to continue therein to be His disciples.

Jesus & Paul had warned us.

Galatians 5:9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This is the line of discernment regarding modern Bibles because the small changes within that decline from the testimonies of the Son being the only Mediator between God and man has caused many believers to gloss over the rest of scripture in that modern Bible as if they do not apply or that it did not really meant what it had said, thus allowing false teachings to be supported and apostasy remains undiscerned and thus unreproved.

This is the hard truth of the KJV. 

I do not testify that it is without error because there are different account of numbers and different spelling to be found between the book of Kings and Chronicles, but the messages regarding His testimonies is kept by those that loved Him and His words.

Was it a publishers' misprint that never got corrected?  I do not know, but the Lord has revealed that the modern Bibles have declined from the testimonies of the Son and are indeed responsible for this prophesy coming to pass again.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

More and more, saved believers and not just Pentecostal/Charismatics are hungering for more of God to experience this receiving of the Holy Spirit again after a sign of tongues... forgetting this promise from Jesus Christ.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

And forgetting this warning from Paul:

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

And thus believing every spirit that comes over them as being the Holy Spirit filling them "again" and giving them supernatural tongues that comes with no interpretation as this tongue can be found in occults, world's religions, and cults in christianity, speaking as the world speaks and hearing as the world hears, misleading others to seek after this other filling of the Spirit for a sign.

This is what happens when we fail to recognize the rest of the scripture in those modern Bibles as going against the false testimony that the Holy Spirit actually makes these intercessions Himself when He does not need to because the only Mediator between God and man is searching our hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit to make these direct intercessions for us so that when the Son answers our prayers, the Father will be glorified in the Son.

Scripture is to testify of the Son ( John 5:39-40 ) and this small change in Romans 8:26-27 has believers reading their supernatuarl experiences into the Bible when they should be using the scripture to discern the spirits as not of Him.  The fact that they "feel" the spirit coming over them and filling them again and again and again is telltaling that they are opening themselves up to them to be received and yet in according to our faith, Jesus Christ is in us and believers cannot receive Him again because He promised we will never hunger nor thirst any more thus expaining why they are hungering for more of God because they do so not after Christ but after a rudiment as found in the world.

Some naysayers may disregard the scripture and the reproofs in favour of being an anti-KJVonlyer, but those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on for the meat of His actual words in keeping with His message for us to continue to abide in Him and in His words to be His disciples in serving the Son in seeking His glory and thereby the glory of God the Father which is what the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do and the holy scripture will not defer from that, but errant modern Bibles have done so.

So I implore every believer to lean on Christ Jesus as your Good Shepherd when comparing your version with the KJV in order to discern spirits as well as false teachings in these perilous times we live in when faith is hard to find.
 
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.
 
Enow said:
Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

For those that love the Lord that want to keep His words to continue in His words to be His disciple:  you are going to have to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you to discern the modern Bibles as declining from His testimonies, and are supporting false teachings as well as apostasies.

Enow... Welcome to this forum! Now, to take exception with your post :D

You have misinterpreted Psalm 119:157 and stripped it out of its context. This passage is not talking about "the word of God not declining from His testimonies." David had one mss.

This passage is talking about David, who obviously did decline from His testimonies, but now, with grief, sees other people not obeying the word of God.

The passage is about obedience to God, NOT whether the modern Bibles are based on more mss than the KJV.

Again, I shall say, "the KJVO cannot be trusted with interpreting the KJV."
 
Timothy said:
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.

That's in regards to reading after the fact:  not beforehand.  I had used the NIV and the NASB before the Lord had shown me why and how the KJV was keeping the message of His words and how those small changes in modern Bibles were supporting false teachings and apostasies today.

Jesus said that those that love Him will keep His sayings and Jesus testified that the Father said that those that did not love Him will not keep His sayings.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So either consider the reproofs by the scripture with His help at that throne of grace as to why the NIV & the ESV are not keeping to the message of the Truth in the scripture per the Romans 8:26-27 reference or don't. 

I can only pray that sometime later on, He will help you to see the necessity for relying on the KJV for the meat of His words when discerning good and evil in these latter days.... if for some reason you are still refusing the reproofs.
 
FSSL said:
Enow said:
Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

For those that love the Lord that want to keep His words to continue in His words to be His disciple:  you are going to have to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you to discern the modern Bibles as declining from His testimonies, and are supporting false teachings as well as apostasies.

Enow... Welcome to this forum! Now, to take exception with your post :D

You have misinterpreted Psalm 119:157 and stripped it out of its context. This passage is not talking about "the word of God not declining from His testimonies." David had one mss.

This passage is talking about David, who obviously did decline from His testimonies, but now, with grief, sees other people not obeying the word of God.

The passage is about obedience to God, NOT whether the modern Bibles are based on more mss than the KJV.

Again, I shall say, "the KJVO cannot be trusted with interpreting the KJV."

Thanks for the welcome, brother.

You may want to read past that reference because the sole evidence for relying on the King James Bible for the meat of His words in discerning good and evil in these latter days can be found per the Romans 8:26-27 reference.

As per your application, I disagree when Psalm 119:157-158 testify of declining from the testimonies of God plainly as the offense would be in not keeping with His words.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
 
Enow said:
As per your application, I disagree when Psalm 119:157-158 testify of declining from the testimonies of God plainly as the offense would be in not keeping with His words.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Actually, before you make an application of Scripture, you need to make sure it comes from the Scripture.

Here is the passage in context:

            153      Consider mine affliction, and deliver me:
                  For I do not forget thy law.
            154       Plead my cause, and deliver me:
                  Quicken me according to thy word.
            155       Salvation is far from the wicked:
                  For they seek not thy statutes.
            156       Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD:
                  Quicken me according to thy judgments.
            157       Many are my persecutors and mine enemies;
                  Yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
            158     I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved;
                  Because they kept not thy word.
            159       Consider how I love thy precepts:
                  Quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.
            160       Thy word is true from the beginning:
                  And every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

David was testifying how he obeyed the word of God in contrast to evil people not obeying the word.

How do you, from the clear reading of this passage come to the conclusion that "modern Bibles have declined?"

In order for your interpretation to work, you must personify "modern Bibles" as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors."

Can you prove that David was telling us not to use different versions of the Bible?

Once you have done that, then we can discuss the other passages.
 
Enow said:
Timothy said:
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.

That's in regards to reading after the fact:  not beforehand.  I had used the NIV and the NASB before the Lord had shown me why and how the KJV was keeping the message of His words and how those small changes in modern Bibles were supporting false teachings and apostasies today.

By this logic, we should throw out the KJV because of the folks who use its differences from the other translations to support false teachings and apostasies...

[quote author=Enow]Jesus said that those that love Him will keep His sayings and Jesus testified that the Father said that those that did not love Him will not keep His sayings.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.[/quote]

I don't think Jesus meant what you seem to think he means. Or, in the words of FSSL, "the KJVO cannot be trusted with interpreting the KJV".

[quote author=Enow]So either consider the reproofs by the scripture with His help at that throne of grace as to why the NIV & the ESV are not keeping to the message of the Truth in the scripture per the Romans 8:26-27 reference or don't.  [/quote]

Can you specifically point to a place where the NIV or ESV isn't keeping the message of the Truth?

[quote author=Enow]I can only pray that sometime later on, He will help you to see the necessity for relying on the KJV for the meat of His words when discerning good and evil in these latter days.... if for some reason you are still refusing the reproofs.[/quote]

No thanks. :)
 
[quote author=FSSL]Can you prove that David was telling us not to use different versions of the Bible?

Once you have done that, then we can discuss the other passages.[/quote]

Now you know David was reading from the KJV. Just like Jesus.

Now as to which KJV they were reading, we are still trying to debate that.
 
rsc2a said:
Now you know David was reading from the KJV. Just like Jesus.
Now as to which KJV they were reading, we are still trying to debate that.

Doofus! Bible"protector" figured that one out. David was using a circa 1903 KJV. :D
 
Enow said:
Timothy said:
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.

That's in regards to reading after the fact:  not beforehand.  I had used the NIV and the NASB before the Lord had shown me why and how the KJV was keeping the message of His words and how those small changes in modern Bibles were supporting false teachings and apostasies today.

Jesus said that those that love Him will keep His sayings and Jesus testified that the Father said that those that did not love Him will not keep His sayings.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So either consider the reproofs by the scripture with His help at that throne of grace as to why the NIV & the ESV are not keeping to the message of the Truth in the scripture per the Romans 8:26-27 reference or don't. 

I can only pray that sometime later on, He will help you to see the necessity for relying on the KJV for the meat of His words when discerning good and evil in these latter days.... if for some reason you are still refusing the reproofs.

Did the Lord show you this directly, or did he use a preacher? Curious.

I hesitate to dogmatically follow things 'hidden' in the Bible. Things that require 95% man's words and 5% Bible to explain.

I once was anti-CCM, KJVonly .... but it was all from a preacher and not directly from God. I felt that perhaps I could win more favor with God by being this way.

The good news is that Jesus saves and my salvation doesn't depend on my deeds both physical and internal. I find the NIV, ESV, and the KJV all can give me guidance on spiritual growth, repentance, things to confess, and the like so that my fellowship can increase. It won't increase when I state "I am KJV" but when I put to death pride, envy, or anything else the Lord convicts me to work on.

Soon and very soon we will be all complete, and home in Heaven.

I doubt the KJV will be on any pedestal.
 
Timothy said:
I doubt the KJV will be on any pedestal.

Ha! Reminded me of this! Where Dell Johnson put the KJV on the pedestal and all other versions on another table. HOWEVER, he did not put a New King James Version on either! He magically made that version not appear in the discussion!

[attachment deleted by admin]
 
Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Well, aren't we off to a rocking start? Only one paragraph in, and you've already interpreted Psalm 119 illegitimately.

For those that love the Lord that want to keep His words to continue in His words to be His disciple:  you are going to have to trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to help you to discern the modern Bibles as declining from His testimonies, and are supporting false teachings as well as apostasies.

The Lord Jesus Christ will never "help" me discern something that is not true. Otherwise, he rather than Satan is truly the father of lies.

Bear in mind why the lost books were not accepted in the Bible that we have today.  It is because the lost books go against the accepted scripture as no lie can be of the truth.

The NIV, NASB, and NKJV, to name three, have never had any books in them that were not part of the 66-book canon.  I assume by "lost books" you mean the Apocrypha, which, ironically, the KJV was published with from the beginning.

Now when discerning modern Bibles, and most believers will agree that they do not all say the same thing, we should use that same format by discerning any changed testimonies regarding the Son when it goes against other references in that modern Bible.

We may agree that they employ different wording. That much is self-evident, otherwise they would not be different translations.

Now, if you mean that modern Bibles contain a different message, well, then the onus is upon you to exegete a KJV and (say) and NIV and show us where the theology differs. You will fail. That is a foregone conclusion.

If the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself ( John 16:13) and neither should we ( John 5:31) then the role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) in seeking the glory of the Son, ( John 16:14 ) as those led by the Spirit will be doing the same thing ( John 15:27 ) in having that shared combined testimony for it to be true ( John 8:17) because God as God is glorified in the Son ( John 13:31-32 ) and the only way to honour God the Father is by honouring the Son as that judgment is hanging over every believer's head ( John 5:22-23 ).  That is what it means to be His disciple in serving the Lord Jesus Christ in seeking His glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father as that is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship ( Philippians 2:5-11 ) and in fellowship ( 1 Corinthians 1:9 & 1 Corinthians 2:2) and in prayer ( 1 Timothy 2:5 & John 14:6-7 ) because there is no other way to approach God the Father in anything except through the Son.

Holy crap. Would you like croutons with your word salad?

The whole point of Him being the only Mediator between God and man is to be at that throne of grace to be our Advocate and interceding for us on our behalf to God the Father as it is by the Son of God that prayers are answered which is why and how the Father is glorified in the Son.  John 14:13-14

Commas. Look into them.

[irrelevant pedantry about the Holy Spirit's intercession deleted for brevity]

Can people find the gospel message in all of the Bibles? Sure.  But that is not what this is about.  It is about having the meat of His words to discern good and evil in order for believers to continue therein to be His disciples. . . .

This is the line of discernment regarding modern Bibles because the small changes within that decline from the testimonies of the Son being the only Mediator between God and man has caused many believers to gloss over the rest of scripture in that modern Bible as if they do not apply or that it did not really meant what it had said, thus allowing false teachings to be supported and apostasy remains undiscerned and thus unreproved.


Talk about reductionism! You'd think from your rhetoric that the typical NIV reader derives all this theology exclusively from the English wording of the NIV, instead of the sum total of traditions, preaching, and theology as exegeted from the Scriptures throughout the Christian era.

Was it a publishers' misprint that never got corrected?  I do not know, but the Lord has revealed that the modern Bibles have declined from the testimonies of the Son and are indeed responsible for this prophesy coming to pass again.

Since I believe in sola Scriptura, I do not believe that the Lord has "revealed" any such thing.  It is not to be found in the pages of the Bible, and I am not bound to accept whatever mystical opinions you believe have come to you from God. Therefore, I claim this "revelation" to be falsehood and foolishness.

[remaining pedantry snipped]
 
Ransom said:
I believe in sola Scriptura, I do not believe that the Lord has "revealed" any such thing.  It is not to be found in the pages of the Bible, and I am not bound to accept whatever mystical opinions you believe have come to you from God. Therefore, I claim this "revelation" to be falsehood and foolishness.

Very good observation and point. Thanks.
 
FSSL said:
Enow said:
As per your application, I disagree when Psalm 119:157-158 testify of declining from the testimonies of God plainly as the offense would be in not keeping with His words.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Actually, before you make an application of Scripture, you need to make sure it comes from the Scripture.

Here is the passage in context:

            153      Consider mine affliction, and deliver me:
                  For I do not forget thy law.
            154      Plead my cause, and deliver me:
                  Quicken me according to thy word.
            155      Salvation is far from the wicked:
                  For they seek not thy statutes.
            156      Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD:
                  Quicken me according to thy judgments.
            157      Many are my persecutors and mine enemies;
                  Yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
            158      I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved;
                  Because they kept not thy word.
            159      Consider how I love thy precepts:
                  Quicken me, O LORD, according to thy lovingkindness.
            160      Thy word is true from the beginning:
                  And every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

David was testifying how he obeyed the word of God in contrast to evil people not obeying the word.

How do you, from the clear reading of this passage come to the conclusion that "modern Bibles have declined?"

In order for your interpretation to work, you must personify "modern Bibles" as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors."

Can you prove that David was telling us not to use different versions of the Bible?

Once you have done that, then we can discuss the other passages.

Do note the emboldened part of your quote.

By discussing the other passages is how you can "personify" the modern Bibles as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors" BECAUSE they did not keep His words and thus declined from His testimonies in doing so in those modern Bibles.
 
rsc2a said:
Enow said:
Timothy said:
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.

That's in regards to reading after the fact:  not beforehand.  I had used the NIV and the NASB before the Lord had shown me why and how the KJV was keeping the message of His words and how those small changes in modern Bibles were supporting false teachings and apostasies today.

By this logic, we should throw out the KJV because of the folks who use its differences from the other translations to support false teachings and apostasies...

Name one false teaching supported by the KJV that is reproved by modern Bibles.

I already showed you Romans 8:26-27 but you seem to favour the issue of being an antiKJV onlyer than showing any concern about this expose, but then again, it is up to the Lord to show that to you.
 
Enow said:
rsc2a said:
Enow said:
Timothy said:
Seriously, do you need to go so far as to insult those who are not KJVonly? When you say "those that love Him will be led by Him to see the KJV as one to rely on" you imply that the ones using a NIV or a ESV do not love God, or His Son.

That's in regards to reading after the fact:  not beforehand.  I had used the NIV and the NASB before the Lord had shown me why and how the KJV was keeping the message of His words and how those small changes in modern Bibles were supporting false teachings and apostasies today.

By this logic, we should throw out the KJV because of the folks who use its differences from the other translations to support false teachings and apostasies...

Name one false teaching supported by the KJV that is reproved by modern Bibles.

I already showed you Romans 8:26-27 but you seem to favour the issue of being an antiKJV onlyer than showing any concern about this expose, but then again, it is up to the Lord to show that to you.

Firstly, I'm not anti-KJV, nor are the overwhelming majority here. It's actually my wife's preferred translation. It's the "O" in "KJVO" that is the issue.

Secondly, I'm not talking about some wacky KJVO conspiracy theory about the proper understanding of the word "groan" and how it proves the KJV. (Funnily, this is the exact same nuttiness that leads Ruckman to heresy with his explanation of ghost/spirit and how it "proves" the KJV.) I'm talking about a legitimate doctrine that the Church widely holds.
 
Enow said:
In order for your interpretation to work, you must personify "modern Bibles" as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors."

By discussing the other passages is how you can "personify" the modern Bibles as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors" BECAUSE they did not keep His words and thus declined from His testimonies in doing so in those modern Bibles.

Discussing the other passages does not help you. In fact, it just obscures your point.

It seems you are comfortable with changing David's meaning by fanciful spiritualizations of the text. Be warned! If we catch you speaking against Origen, the father of bastardizing scripture from its context, I will remind you. For it is doubtful that even he would have even gone as far as you.  8)
 
FSSL said:
Enow said:
In order for your interpretation to work, you must personify "modern Bibles" as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors."

By discussing the other passages is how you can "personify" the modern Bibles as "wicked, enemies, persecutors, transgressors" BECAUSE they did not keep His words and thus declined from His testimonies in doing so in those modern Bibles.

Discussing the other passages does not help you. In fact, it just obscures your point.

It seems you are comfortable with changing David's meaning by fanciful spiritualizations of the text. Be warned! If we catch you speaking against Origen, the father of bastardizing scripture from its context, I will remind you. For it is doubtful that even he would have even gone as far as you.  8)
What if someone mentioned that the nutcase castrated himself?  Did any 'kjvo' go THAT far?

Anishinabe

 
prophet said:
What if someone mentioned that the nutcase castrated himself?  Did any 'kjvo' go THAT far?

Anishinabe

I don't know. Did ya?

Fact is... no matter how you slice it... The KJVO cannot be trusted with interpreting the KJV.
 
[quote author=prophet]What if someone mentioned that the nutcase castrated himself?  Did any 'kjvo' go THAT far?[/quote]

If your hand causes you to sin and what-not...

;)
 
Back
Top