Did Christ Suffer in Hell

[biscuit1953]

Acts 2:31 - he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades (hell KJV), nor did His flesh see corruption.

Christ suffered and bore our sin on the cross but what did He do with them?  Just as the scapegoat bore the sin of all the children of Israel and then carried them away to the wilderness, so Christ bore our sins and bore them away to hell and left them there.  This has to do with the completion of the atonement of sins.  He did not suffer in hell but he left our sins there.  Hades contained both Abraham's bosom as well as fire (Luke 16). 

 

[T-Bone]

No He didn't.  He stated on the cross, that "it is finished".  Atonement paid for on the cross...atonement of the cross accepted by the Father.  Heresy to say Jesus suffered in hell.  Paul states he descended to release the captives in sheol who were awaiting the atonement.  Jesus emptied paradise!

 

[biscuit1953]

No He didn't.  He stated on the cross, that "it is finished".  Atonement paid for on the cross...atonement of the cross accepted by the Father.  Heresy to say Jesus suffered in hell.  Paul states he descended to release the captives in sheol who were awaiting the atonement.  Jesus emptied paradise!

I agree that Christ did not suffer in hell but I respectfully disagree on the other point.  Just as the scapegoat symbolically bore
the sins to the wilderness so Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there.
Trying to post from cell phone.

 

[T-Bone]

No He didn't.  He stated on the cross, that "it is finished".  Atonement paid for on the cross...atonement of the cross accepted by the Father.  Heresy to say Jesus suffered in hell.  Paul states he descended to release the captives in sheol who were awaiting the atonement.  Jesus emptied paradise!

I agree that Christ did not suffer in hell but I respectfully disagree on the other point.  Just as the scapegoat symbolically bore
the sins to the wilderness so Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there.
Trying to post from cell phone.

We will have to disagree.  The scapegoat correliation is at the cross.  In the OT they loaded the scapegoat down and sent it out of the camp.  Jesus was crucified outside the city.  No where does the Bible teach or infer that Jesus took our sins to hell and left them there...what purpose would that accomplish?

 

[rsc2a]

I'd also point out that there were two goats that were involved on Yom Kippur.....

 

[christundivided]

I'd also point out that there were two goats that were involved on Yom Kippur.....

You need to understand Hebrews 13:12 and you have no idea of how a "scapegoat" works. You've really lost it.

 

[T-Bone]

Well it is settled Spammy has spoken...

http://youtu.be/HJh5QZWeoXc

 

[christundivided]

No He didn't.  He stated on the cross, that "it is finished".  Atonement paid for on the cross...atonement of the cross accepted by the Father.  Heresy to say Jesus suffered in hell.  Paul states he descended to release the captives in sheol who were awaiting the atonement.  Jesus emptied paradise!

I agree that Christ did not suffer in hell but I respectfully disagree on the other point.  Just as the scapegoat symbolically bore
the sins to the wilderness so Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there.
Trying to post from cell phone.

Are you so hung up on the KJV that you can't understand "hades"?

Do you not even remember that Christ told the thief.

Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Is "hell".... "paradise"?

 

[T-Bone]

No He didn't.  He stated on the cross, that "it is finished".  Atonement paid for on the cross...atonement of the cross accepted by the Father.  Heresy to say Jesus suffered in hell.  Paul states he descended to release the captives in sheol who were awaiting the atonement.  Jesus emptied paradise!

I agree that Christ did not suffer in hell but I respectfully disagree on the other point.  Just as the scapegoat symbolically bore
the sins to the wilderness so Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there.
Trying to post from cell phone.

Are you so hung up on the KJV that you can't understand "hades"?

Do you not even remember that Christ told the thief.

Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Is "hell".... "paradise"?

Or put more plainly look at this...

http://youtu.be/IGOVNX1ysEo

 

[Izdaari]

Nice clip, T-Bone! It makes your point very well, but it also illustrates just how good a teacher Mark Driscoll can be, though many of us (including me) have some issues with him.

 

[T-Bone]

Nice clip, T-Bone! It makes your point very well, but it also illustrates just how good a teacher Mark Driscoll can be, though many of us (including me) have some issues with him.

Agreed...I don't agree with him on everything, but he did state this well.

 

[Vandal]

Well it is settled Spammy has spoken...

http://youtu.be/HJh5QZWeoXc

Good to know... :

 

[biscuit1953]

I can't see any of the movies so I have no idea what they are saying.  I will check them out later.  If I am shown to be wrong so be it.  Hades is an untranslated Greek word.  According to Luke 16 it can be a place of fire separated by a great gulf.  I don't see what the problem is believing Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there. Once again I don't believe He suffered in hell.  Thanks for being civil anyway.

 

[Chris Connally]

I can't see any of the movies so I have no idea what they are saying.  I will check them out later.  If I am shown to be wrong so be it.  Hades is an untranslated Greek word.  According to Luke 16 it can be a place of fire separated by a great gulf.  I don't see what the problem is believing Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there. Once again I don't believe He suffered in hell.  Thanks for being civil anyway.

What did He carry them in? Are you from Maine btw?

 

[Izdaari]

I can't see any of the movies so I have no idea what they are saying.  I will check them out later.  If I am shown to be wrong so be it.  Hades is an untranslated Greek word.  According to Luke 16 it can be a place of fire separated by a great gulf.  I don't see what the problem is believing Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there. Once again I don't believe He suffered in hell.  Thanks for being civil anyway.

What did He carry them in? Are you from Maine btw?

I believe a handbasket is traditional. 

 

[Chris Connally]

I can't see any of the movies so I have no idea what they are saying.  I will check them out later.  If I am shown to be wrong so be it.  Hades is an untranslated Greek word.  According to Luke 16 it can be a place of fire separated by a great gulf.  I don't see what the problem is believing Christ carried our sins to hell and left them there. Once again I don't believe He suffered in hell.  Thanks for being civil anyway.

What did He carry them in? Are you from Maine btw?

I believe a handbasket is traditional. 

I heard He used a rickshaw.

 

[biscuit1953]

After watching the videos I see nothing that would change my position.  Christ went to paradise.  Who is disputing that?  He also preached to the ones in prison who were disobedient (1 Peter 3:18,19).  That is not paradise.  When the rich man lifted up his eyes in hades (hell; I won't mention the KJV) he was in torment.  Why could Christ not have gone to both places?  According to scripture He did!  Christ's soul went to hades which includes a place of torment. 

One may make light of; "What did He carry our sins in?"; but I could just as easily make light of "When did Jesus cash in his blood for our sins?"  Christ bore our sins in His own body and it is only logical that He would take them to hell (according to scripture) and leave them there.  It isn't a cardinal doctrine but I believe it is sound.

 

[christundivided]

After watching the videos I see nothing that would change my position.  Christ went to paradise.  Who is disputing that?  He also preached to the ones in prison who were disobedient (1 Peter 3:18,19).  That is not paradise.  When the rich man lifted up his eyes in hades (hell; I won't mention the KJV) he was in torment.  Why could Christ not have gone to both places?  According to scripture He did!  Christ's soul went to hades which includes a place of torment. 

One may make light of; "What did He carry our sins in?"; but I could just as easily make light of "When did Jesus cash in his blood for our sins?"  Christ bore our sins in His own body and it is only logical that He would take them to hell (according to scripture) and leave them there.  It isn't a cardinal doctrine but I believe it is sound.

You're taking great liberties with 1 Peter 3:18-19.

First, Christ did not die for any demon or devil. Jude says God has reserved judgement for them.

"he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Christ did not take on the nature of angels nor did he take up the process to redeem them.

Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

James says that angels "believe" and "tremble".

Jas 2:19  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Fallen angels have no sacrifice to claim. No Redeemer to call upon. They believe and tremble because they have no access to Christ's offering.

Why in the world would Christ preach to damned demons and angels or even the damned of mankind?  Christ himself even spoke of how people in the past that believed not the prophets had no hope in Him.

Luk_16:31  And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Second, Christ did away with SIN. OUR SIN was destroyed. IT WAS NOT CARRIED TO HELL FOR IT TO REMAIN THERE for ETERNITY. Christ destroyed sin on the Cross. The debt was paid and SIN was eradicated for those that would believe.

No Christ did not go to both places. He didn't have to carry our SIN to HELL. He destroyed it.

Do you think the torment side of hades afforded Christ the opportunity to "preach" to anyone or any thing? Do you remember the mentioning of the "great gulf" fixed between the two?

You're belief fails on so many levels it pitiful.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I think Jesus was spotted in Missouri once.  That's almost the same thing. 

 

[biscuit1953]

After watching the videos I see nothing that would change my position.  Christ went to paradise.  Who is disputing that?  He also preached to the ones in prison who were disobedient (1 Peter 3:18,19).  That is not paradise.  When the rich man lifted up his eyes in hades (hell; I won't mention the KJV) he was in torment.  Why could Christ not have gone to both places?  According to scripture He did!  Christ's soul went to hades which includes a place of torment. 

One may make light of; "What did He carry our sins in?"; but I could just as easily make light of "When did Jesus cash in his blood for our sins?"  Christ bore our sins in His own body and it is only logical that He would take them to hell (according to scripture) and leave them there.  It isn't a cardinal doctrine but I believe it is sound.

You're taking great liberties with 1 Peter 3:18-19.

First, Christ did not die for any demon or devil. Jude says God has reserved judgement for them.

"he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Christ did not take on the nature of angels nor did he take up the process to redeem them.

Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

James says that angels "believe" and "tremble".

Jas 2:19  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Fallen angels have no sacrifice to claim. No Redeemer to call upon. They believe and tremble because they have no access to Christ's offering.

Why in the world would Christ preach to damned demons and angels or even the damned of mankind?  Christ himself even spoke of how people in the past that believed not the prophets had no hope in Him.

Luk_16:31  And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Second, Christ did away with SIN. OUR SIN was destroyed. IT WAS NOT CARRIED TO HELL FOR IT TO REMAIN THERE for ETERNITY. Christ destroyed sin on the Cross. The debt was paid and SIN was eradicated for those that would believe.

No Christ did not go to both places. He didn't have to carry our SIN to HELL. He destroyed it.

Do you think the torment side of hades afforded Christ the opportunity to "preach" to anyone or any thing? Do you remember the mentioning of the "great gulf" fixed between the two?

You're belief fails on so many levels it pitiful.

Why is it so important to deny Christ went to hell?  What did he preach to them?

"Between Christ's death and resurrection, His living spirit went to the demon spirits bound in the abyss and proclaimed that, in spite of His death, He had triumphed over them. This refers to fallen angels (demons), who were permanently bound because of heinous wickedness.  The demons who are not so bound resist such sentence (cf. Luke 8:31).  In the end, they will be sent to the eternal lake of fire (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10)."  John MacArthur

I agree that our sins were destroyed - in hell!  Micah talks about them being cast into the depths of the sea.

Micah 7:19 ​​​​​​​​He will again have compassion on us;
        he will tread our iniquities underfoot.
        You will cast all our sins
        into the depths of the sea. (ESV)