Did Abraham "pimp" his wife?

[FSSL]

Scenario:

I hand PY a gun and tell him that it is okay for him to shoot me. He declines to shoot me and lays the gun on the table.

In this scenario, I chose to "allow" PY to shoot me but he decided not to. The fact that he did not shoot me does not negate the fact that I allowed him to shoot me.

In hindsight, do you think it may have helped PY to comprehend the thought if FSSL has said that Abraham had allowed for his wife to be violated?  ???

Nah.

I know you think you're smart...... but your scenario doesn't fit the grammar used by FSSL.

The way FSSL used allowed..... doesn't permit the use of a negative. At least he's smart enough to know this. Which is why he hasn't responded.

The only way to compare your scenario to what FSSL is to rephrase and say

"someone" allowed subllibrm to be shot with a gun. There is no room in such a statement to address a negative.

Why are you digging in? You misread the post. Simple. It happens all the time?

I said Abraham "allowed his wife to be violated." Allowing does not demand actuality. It DOES mean he intended that would happen.

Whether she was or wasn't does not change the point of the OP. He pimped her.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Scenario:

I hand PY a gun and tell him that it is okay for him to shoot me. He declines to shoot me and lays the gun on the table.

In this scenario, I chose to "allow" PY to shoot me but he decided not to. The fact that he did not shoot me does not negate the fact that I allowed him to shoot me.

In hindsight, do you think it may have helped PY to comprehend the thought if FSSL has said that Abraham had allowed for his wife to be violated?  ???

Nah.

I know you think you're smart...... but your scenario doesn't fit the grammar used by FSSL.

The way FSSL used allowed..... doesn't permit the use of a negative. At least he's smart enough to know this. Which is why he hasn't responded.

The only way to compare your scenario to what FSSL is to rephrase and say

"someone" allowed subllibrm to be shot with a gun. There is no room in such a statement to address a negative.

Why are you digging in? You misread the post. Simple. It happens all the time?

I said Abraham "allowed his wife to be violated." Allowing does not demand actuality. It DOES mean he intended that would happen.

Whether she was or wasn't does not change the point of the OP. He pimped her.

The word "allowed" doesn't support a negative result.

Please reference the grammatical rule that supports your claims. There isn't one. I didn't misread anything.

You would have been better served to have used the word "offered". Not "allowed". Which is what that other NUT said in referencing your comments.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/negation

Abraham didn't intend for his wife to be violated. You're crazy!!

Where did you get the reference of "pimped"? What's your source? What reputable Christian author says Abraham "pimped" Sarah?

 

[rsc2a]

Because he thinks he's infallible.

More generously, because he's been so dogmatic and arrogant on this point that admitting a mistake would mean he should apologize to everyone else. (And for someone as "not proud" as he is, I suspect this is very difficult.)

 

[FSSL]

Get a dictionary. Your misunderstanding of grammar is easily corrected by the meaning of the word. Your word "offered" is synonymous and doesn't help your argument.

Abraham fully intended and gave opportunity for his wife to be misused.

Check your commentaries. .. they consistently note that Abraham was wrong. Commentaries don't use words like "pimp." It is a colloquial designed to show the heinous action. I think it describes, quite well, Abraham's failure.

 

[FSSL]

All of this is silly...

You cannot succinctly and cogently describe Abraham's sin because you have redefined and excused his sin. THAT IS a far greater problem than a misreading of a post on a forum.

It reveals a faulty ethic.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Get a dictionary. Your misunderstanding of grammar is easily corrected by the meaning of the word. Your word "offered" is synonymous and doesn't help your argument.

Provide the evidence that offer is a synonym for allow. Put up or shut up. You used a positive declaration and claimed it allows for a negative solution. That's nonsense. Maybe you an Avery have more than common than you let on....

Abraham fully intended and gave opportunity for his wife to be misused.

No He didn't. He never intended for his lie to lead to Pharaoh taking her. That's the way lies work. You're disparaging Abraham without any evidence to prove your claims. NONE.

Check your commentaries. .. they consistently note that Abraham was wrong. Commentaries don't use words like "pimp." It is a colloquial designed to show the heinous action. I think it describes, quite well, Abraham's failure.

So no commentary uses the word "pimped" but its okay for you to use it. You're in such good company. No Christian commentator has ever used the word "pimp" in relation to Abraham...... yet you're smart to do so. You're an idiot.

I tell you who has used those words. Infidels. God haters. Mockers who try to disparage the Judeo-Christian faith. That's who.

 

[praise_yeshua]

All of this is silly...

You cannot succinctly and cogently describe Abraham's sin because you have redefined and excused his sin. THAT IS a far greater problem than a misreading of a post on a forum.

It reveals a faulty ethic.

I said he lied. I didn't excuse it. You turned Abraham's lie into "pimping" Sarah.

Ethics. A Calvinist claiming ethics? Yeah. I hear you!!!.

You've been lying to yourself for years. You exaggerated the sin of Abraham in order to feel better about your own sin. Calvinist do it all the time and then claim the "providence" of God is going to save them and make them better people.

THAT IS a far greater problem than agreeing with infidels and mockers.

 

[FSSL]

It was a lie. The effect and purpose of the lie is the pimping.

You cannot contort this without being absurd.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It was a lie. The effect and purpose of the lie is the pimping.

You cannot contort this without being absurd.

"Purpose"....

the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists

I have no reason to believe that Abraham's purpose in lying was to "pimp" Sarah.

I've told a few lies in my life. Many of them were a "spur of the moment" decision to deal with a condition in-which I had limited control to dealing with the outcome. I never "purposed" the lie or "intended" the lie to cause the problems it caused.

This isn't "contorting" anything. Now.... Some people do lie with the express intent/purpose of bringing about evil. Which is what you've said Abraham did.

This is a lie. A damnable lie. You'll face God with it. I won't. Lets see what "providence" gets you in this!!

 

[subllibrm]

Tell them you are my sister because if they know you are my wife when they see how beautiful you are they will kill me.

Obviously no thinking went into that spur of the moment lie.

 

[FSSL]

The biblical text is clear.  Our replies have been clear.

If there was a thread that is a candidate for locking down, this would be one. Since we don't make it a practice to do that... I am "locking" myself out of further discussion on this thread.

It is absurd.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The biblical text is clear.  Our replies have been clear.

If there was a thread that is a candidate for locking down, this would be one. Since we don't make it a practice to do that... I am "locking" myself out of further discussion on this thread.

It is absurd.

LOL. You just had to get that threat in.....

You can't defend what you've said. That's why you've "locked" yourself out this thread!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Tell them you are my sister because if they know you are my wife when they see how beautiful you are they will kill me.

Obviously no thinking went into that spur of the moment lie.

Well...... Abraham obviously knew they had a history of killing men for their wives. They would have killed him and taken his possession and everyone included. Some thought went into. Obvious he wasn't thinking about "pimping" his wife. That's a lie straight out of hell. Go back to the source you got it from.

 

[FSSL]

The biblical text is clear.  Our replies have been clear.

If there was a thread that is a candidate for locking down, this would be one. Since we don't make it a practice to do that... I am "locking" myself out of further discussion on this thread.

It is absurd.

LOL. You just had to get that threat in.....

You can't defend what you've said. That's why you've "locked" yourself out this thread!

"Threat?" "Lacking a defense?" You imagine way too much. :-*