Did Abraham "pimp" his wife?

[rsc2a]

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

I'll bet that the whole time she was doing the horizontal bop that Abe was maniacally laughing and relishing the freedom he'd purchased via his wife's body, like any good pimp would. /sarcasm

Like I said, obtuse.

She was never doing the horizontal bop. God threatened to destroy both kings before it ever got that far. It's like you folks have never even read the stories in question.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

I'll bet that the whole time she was doing the horizontal bop that Abe was maniacally laughing and relishing the freedom he'd purchased via his wife's body, like any good pimp would. /sarcasm

Like I said, obtuse.

She was never doing the horizontal bop. God threatened to destroy both kings before it ever got that far. It's like you folks have never even read the stories in question.

You're to one that said Abraham was a pimp and Sarah was a whore.

Maybe you understand what those words mean? Did you ask your mom if you use those words?

 

[rsc2a]

Gill, your favorite commentator after Boyd...

and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive; so great a regard had they in those times, and even in Heathen countries, to the laws of marriage, that they chose rather to be guilty of murder than of adultery, though a lustful people; and therefore would, as Abram feared, take away his life, that it might be free and lawful for them to marry Sarai.

Genesis 12:13
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Say, I pray thee, that thou art my sister,.... Which though it was not putting a direct lie into her mouth, she being his sister in some sense, as appears from Genesis 20:12 yet it was done to conceal truth, and to deceive the Egyptians, and tended to endanger his wife's chastity, as well as showed great timorousness in him, and distrust of the divine care and protection of him; and upon the whole it must be criminal in him, and shows that the best of men are liable to sin, and the strongest believer to fall, and that a saint may fail in the exercise of that grace for which he is most eminent, as Abram was for his faith, and yet fell into unbelief, and through that into other sins; this he said to his wife, and desired her to say on occasion, when she found it necessary:

He was afraid they would kill him and take Sarah, so he told her to lie so he wouldn't be killed. In doing so, he made his wife available for the sexual attentions of others...who he knew would find her attractive...all because he was a coward.

Where do you get "pimp" and "whore" from Gills comments? I didn't read that part.

Please underline those descriptions.

Abraham did the only thing he knew to do. He was trying to save everyone. He couldn't have known that Pharoah would take her. He just knew he might. I suspect that Abraham was having a prayer meeting with God the entire time.

I know you idiot Calivinst think you can do anything you want to do and God is going to miraclously come to your rescue. Idiots. The lot of you. Idiots.

"He couldn't have known that Pharoah would take her."

Hmm....I know that you are a woman beautiful in appearance, 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ?This is his wife.? Then they will kill me, but they will let you live.

Nope...no way he couldn't have known that. I mean he stated that exact thing but there is no way he couldn't know that.

 

[rsc2a]

He didn't get what he said from a Christian theologian. He claims to be a student of the church fathers and he didn't get it from them.

Pray tell.... provide evidence of where he got it? I know where he got. Infidels, Athiests and haters of God. Deniers and mockers of the faith.

I didn't "get" it from anyone. I read the story and it's clear what Abraham did. Not once but twice. You were just so badly wrong that you refuse to admit it. Tell us again how Sarah talked him out of it so Abraham wised up!

Yes you did. You didn't get the term "pimp" in describing Abraham from a Christian scholar. You got it from an infidel.

I wondered how long it would be before you claimed to read minds. Right on schedule! I would ask how long before you claimed you were never have another discussion with me (again), but you changed up a little bit.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

I'll bet that the whole time she was doing the horizontal bop that Abe was maniacally laughing and relishing the freedom he'd purchased via his wife's body, like any good pimp would. /sarcasm

Like I said, obtuse.

She was never doing the horizontal bop. God threatened to destroy both kings before it ever got that far. It's like you folks have never even read the stories in question.

Obtuse AND pedantic.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Gill, your favorite commentator after Boyd...

and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive; so great a regard had they in those times, and even in Heathen countries, to the laws of marriage, that they chose rather to be guilty of murder than of adultery, though a lustful people; and therefore would, as Abram feared, take away his life, that it might be free and lawful for them to marry Sarai.

Genesis 12:13
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Say, I pray thee, that thou art my sister,.... Which though it was not putting a direct lie into her mouth, she being his sister in some sense, as appears from Genesis 20:12 yet it was done to conceal truth, and to deceive the Egyptians, and tended to endanger his wife's chastity, as well as showed great timorousness in him, and distrust of the divine care and protection of him; and upon the whole it must be criminal in him, and shows that the best of men are liable to sin, and the strongest believer to fall, and that a saint may fail in the exercise of that grace for which he is most eminent, as Abram was for his faith, and yet fell into unbelief, and through that into other sins; this he said to his wife, and desired her to say on occasion, when she found it necessary:

He was afraid they would kill him and take Sarah, so he told her to lie so he wouldn't be killed. In doing so, he made his wife available for the sexual attentions of others...who he knew would find her attractive...all because he was a coward.

Where do you get "pimp" and "whore" from Gills comments? I didn't read that part.

Please underline those descriptions.

Abraham did the only thing he knew to do. He was trying to save everyone. He couldn't have known that Pharoah would take her. He just knew he might. I suspect that Abraham was having a prayer meeting with God the entire time.

I know you idiot Calivinst think you can do anything you want to do and God is going to miraclously come to your rescue. Idiots. The lot of you. Idiots.

"He couldn't have known that Pharoah would take her."

Hmm....I know that you are a woman beautiful in appearance, 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ?This is his wife.? Then they will kill me, but they will let you live.

Nope...no way he couldn't have known that. I mean he stated that exact thing but there is no way he couldn't know that.

Abraham was a prophet but I never considered those words "prophecy". Are you saying those word are prophetic?

Abraham made an educated guess based on what he knew of the people.

Abraham did his best. He lied to protect those he loved and then God handled the rest. Peter denied Christ to protect his own life. He lived to pray another day. He lived to preach again.

I know you can't comprehend this..... you'd sell your own family out over your stupid ideals of religion.

I'd lie to protect my family. Why wouldn't you? You're in a foreign country. You have no hope of being protected by the law of the land. All you can do is what you can do. You can talk of trusting God all you want. What I know if a man that left everything he had ever known..... FOR GOD.... through FAITH... I just have to think he as doing some serious praying. God answered and never said one thing against what he did. YET you decide to do what God didn't.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham was a prophet but I never considered those words "prophecy". Are you saying those word are prophetic?

Abraham made an educated guess based on what he knew of the people. [/quote]

"I continue to talk out of both sides of my mouth. -  PY"

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham did his best. He lied to protect those he loved and then God handled the rest. Peter denied Christ to protect his own life. He lived to pray another day. He lived to preach again. [/quote]

Abraham was deliberately disobedient and called out for it multiple times.

Or to rephrase what you just said, "Who cares what you do is evil? Better to save your own skin than do good."

[quote author=praise_yeshua]I know you can't comprehend this..... you'd sell your own family out over your stupid ideals of religion.

I'd lie to protect my family. Why wouldn't you? You're in a foreign country. You have no hope of being protected by the law of the land. All you can do is what you can do. You can talk of trusting God all you want. What I know if a man that left everything he had ever known..... FOR GOD.... through FAITH... I just have to think he as doing some serious praying. God answered and never said one thing against what he did. YET you decide to do what God didn't.
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Your version of morality is completely skewed. Maybe you should remind us how it's good business practice to screw others over now?

 

[FSSL]

It was a common custom of that time to gift the family of a potential wife. Pharoah was bring nice to the family.

Was it common for God-fearing people to allow their wives to be sexually abused?

No matter how much you don't like the word "pimp," you have not offered any descriptive word for Abraham's actions. <enter the sugar coating>


... and now you actually defend Peter as doing the right thing?

You are importing your own thoughts on the passages. These were mortal men who both caused more problems by their sinful actions.

 

[Just John]

It was a common custom of that time to gift the family of a potential wife. Pharoah was bring nice to the family.

Was it common for God-fearing people to allow their wives to be sexually abused?

No matter how much you don't like the word "pimp," you have not offered any descriptive word for Abraham's actions. <enter the sugar coating>

Methinks PY has the understanding that for "pimp" & "whore" Abraham had to have a yellow suit and a cane and Sarah had to be wearing high heels and short shorts. Nuance is often lost on people like him.  BUT, he does a lot of surmising about Abraham that the Bible doesn't tell us. He could be right about those things or could just as easily be wrong.

 

[Just John]

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham was a prophet but I never considered those words "prophecy". Are you saying those word are prophetic?

Abraham made an educated guess based on what he knew of the people.

"I continue to talk out of both sides of my mouth. -  PY"

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham did his best. He lied to protect those he loved and then God handled the rest. Peter denied Christ to protect his own life. He lived to pray another day. He lived to preach again. [/quote]

Abraham was deliberately disobedient and called out for it multiple times.

Or to rephrase what you just said, "Who cares what you do is evil? Better to save your own skin than do good."

[quote author=praise_yeshua]I know you can't comprehend this..... you'd sell your own family out over your stupid ideals of religion.

I'd lie to protect my family. Why wouldn't you? You're in a foreign country. You have no hope of being protected by the law of the land. All you can do is what you can do. You can talk of trusting God all you want. What I know if a man that left everything he had ever known..... FOR GOD.... through FAITH... I just have to think he as doing some serious praying. God answered and never said one thing against what he did. YET you decide to do what God didn't.
[/quote]

Your version of morality is completely skewed. Maybe you should remind us how it's good business practice to screw others over now?
[/quote]

Your excuses for lies are total situational ethics and show a total lack of faith. I have more understanding and respect for the actions of a person put into life and death positions and how they may act at the moment because I would like to believe I would do the right thing but like war, you don't always know until you are there. You on the other hand not only excuse but promote premeditated lying to save your butt. I would think you would at least give lip service to having faith in God.

Reminds me of your defense of Trump's use of bankruptcy and giving to people he supposedly doesn't agree with (Pelosi, Reid, Hillary. etc). "He has to because that's the way it is in business. "  Yet I think of the Greens who own Hobby Lobby who took a public stand against Obamacare and having to pay for abortifacients for their employees.  They were willing to pay a fine of $100k per day until they won a decision in the Supreme Court. Or The Cathey's who insist that Chik-fil-a close on Sunday even though they could make a LOT more money being open.  Sometimes principles cost something.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It was a common custom of that time to gift the family of a potential wife. Pharoah was bring nice to the family.

Was it common for God-fearing people to allow their wives to be sexually abused?

No matter how much you don't like the word "pimp," you have not offered any descriptive word for Abraham's actions. <enter the sugar coating>


... and now you actually defend Peter as doing the right thing?

You are importing your own thoughts on the passages. These were mortal men who both caused more problems by their sinful actions.

NO. I wasn't common for Abraham to allow his wife to be sexually abused.

You're importing your own personal failures on the "father of faith". Just what are you trying to justify in your own life by finding it in another?????

I gave a detailed description of what I believe happened. I could care less if you read it or not..... BUT don't say I haven't offered an alternative. YOUR A LIAR.

Abraham lied to to protect those he loved. You, obviously, wouldn't do the same. So much for loving your family.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It was a common custom of that time to gift the family of a potential wife. Pharoah was bring nice to the family.

Was it common for God-fearing people to allow their wives to be sexually abused?

No matter how much you don't like the word "pimp," you have not offered any descriptive word for Abraham's actions. <enter the sugar coating>

Methinks PY has the understanding that for "pimp" & "whore" Abraham had to have a yellow suit and a cane and Sarah had to be wearing high heels and short shorts. Nuance is often lost on people like him.  BUT, he does a lot of surmising about Abraham that the Bible doesn't tell us. He could be right about those things or could just as easily be wrong.

I gave justification for what I wrote.

The Scriptures didn't say Abraham was a pimp and Sarah was a whore. Yet, you have taken this NUTS side. You've done it soley based on the fact you don't like me. I don't care if you like me. You're wasting your time not liking me. I don't base my theology on "friends". I base it on the Truth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham was a prophet but I never considered those words "prophecy". Are you saying those word are prophetic?

Abraham made an educated guess based on what he knew of the people.

"I continue to talk out of both sides of my mouth. -  PY"

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Abraham did his best. He lied to protect those he loved and then God handled the rest. Peter denied Christ to protect his own life. He lived to pray another day. He lived to preach again.

Abraham was deliberately disobedient and called out for it multiple times.

Or to rephrase what you just said, "Who cares what you do is evil? Better to save your own skin than do good."

[quote author=praise_yeshua]I know you can't comprehend this..... you'd sell your own family out over your stupid ideals of religion.

I'd lie to protect my family. Why wouldn't you? You're in a foreign country. You have no hope of being protected by the law of the land. All you can do is what you can do. You can talk of trusting God all you want. What I know if a man that left everything he had ever known..... FOR GOD.... through FAITH... I just have to think he as doing some serious praying. God answered and never said one thing against what he did. YET you decide to do what God didn't.
[/quote]

Your version of morality is completely skewed. Maybe you should remind us how it's good business practice to screw others over now?
[/quote]

Your excuses for lies are total situational ethics and show a total lack of faith. I have more understanding and respect for the actions of a person put into life and death positions and how they may act at the moment because I would like to believe I would do the right thing but like war, you don't always know until you are there. You on the other hand not only excuse but promote premeditated lying to save your butt. I would think you would at least give lip service to having faith in God.[/quote]

Liar. I promoted lying to save my family. Not my butt. THEIR BUTT. Peter had more to deal with than his own "hid". I didn't promote it. I said I would have done the same. I served a purpose.

I'll go a step further. In the Oregon shootings. If I knew he was killing Christians.... I wouldn't have said I was one. God certainly wasn't stopping bullets for those who did. I have people I support. Loved ones I care about. I have a responsibility to them. I could care less about what you think of my religion because I might tell a lie with them in mind.

In fact, if you will not lie to save someone you love..... then what good are you to them?

Reminds me of your defense of Trump's use of bankruptcy and giving to people he supposedly doesn't agree with (Pelosi, Reid, Hillary. etc). "He has to because that's the way it is in business. "  Yet I think of the Greens who own Hobby Lobby who took a public stand against Obamacare and having to pay for abortifacients for their employees.  They were willing to pay a fine of $100k per day until they won a decision in the Supreme Court. Or The Cathey's who insist that Chik-fil-a close on Sunday even though they could make a LOT more money being open.  Sometimes principles cost something.

Principles are often arbitrary.

Chik-fil-a not being open on Sunday is their decision. However, its a stupid decision. Its nothing more than good old fundamentalist stupidity to think not work on Sunday is witnessing to something. Christ is our Rest. Not some day of the week. You can speak of Him and forget about honoring a day. Speaking of Him is more important than your PENANCE. I bet your sorry rearend goes out to eat at a local restaurant on Sunday regardless if of them are open. You have a rather poor idea of how a "principle" teaches others....

and you bash me for admitting I would lie to save the lives of those I love. What a maroon....

 

[rsc2a]

It's obvious. I believe this because I'm an infidel, FSSL because he's stupid, John because he didn't like PY, and the next person because they are a sock puppet.

PY is the only person who has ever known the truth and he's the smartest person who has ever lived.

 

[rsc2a]

Good observation, sock puppet!

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's obvious. I believe this because I'm an infidel, FSSL because he's stupid, John because he didn't like PY, and the next person because they are a sock puppet.

PY is the only person who has ever known the truth and he's the smartest person who has ever lived.

Funny. When I quote other theologians and Bible commentators & teachers PY says "think for yourself!" .... but in this thread he leans on the theologians and Bible commentators & teachers as authority and blast other for "thinking" for themselves.

Good grief. Its a logical argument. I always think for myself.

I haven't quoted one single commentator. Nor have I based what I believe on what they have said. If you don't believe this, then find one that says what I've said in this thread. Just one. There isn't one.

I was making the logical point that no Christian commentator has called Abraham a pimp and Sarah a whore.

Yet. The forum NUT rs2a has. He got this from infidels. Atheists and agnostics that deny any form of Judeo Christian values. Mockers. Scoffers. Deniers of God. That is who rsc2a is referencing.

 

[rsc2a]

Yet. The forum NUT rs2a has. He got this from infidels. Atheists and agnostics that deny any form of Judeo Christian values. Mockers. Scoffers. Deniers of God. That is who rsc2a is referencing.

"I would absolutely deny God to save my own skin. No question." - PY

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's obvious. I believe this because I'm an infidel, FSSL because he's stupid, John because he didn't like PY, and the next person because they are a sock puppet.

PY is the only person who has ever known the truth and he's the smartest person who has ever lived.

I've pissed all of you off at one time or another.

I've only claimed you've had one sock. I still believe you do. I never said you was an infidel. I said you got what you said about Abraham and Sarah from infidels.

I've given you a hard time based on what you believe. Its dangerous and damaging. Go hug your kids and kiss your wife. Feel good about yourself. Get that hero complex back in order. You'll feel better. Who cares about the truth. You don't. If you did. Then you wouldn't have called Abraham a pimp and Sarah a whore based on your little understand of Scriptures. You obviously can't handle theology. You can't. Its beyond you. You're too easily influenced and entirely lacking experience. You're just half a step above Timmie.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yet. The forum NUT rs2a has. He got this from infidels. Atheists and agnostics that deny any form of Judeo Christian values. Mockers. Scoffers. Deniers of God. That is who rsc2a is referencing.

"I would absolutely deny God to save my own skin. No question." - PY

I've explained myself. You're being dishonest in misrepresenting what I've said. I wouldn't do it for me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's obvious. I believe this because I'm an infidel, FSSL because he's stupid, John because he didn't like PY, and the next person because they are a sock puppet.

PY is the only person who has ever known the truth and he's the smartest person who has ever lived.

Funny. When I quote other theologians and Bible commentators & teachers PY says "think for yourself!" .... but in this thread he leans on the theologians and Bible commentators & teachers as authority and blast other for "thinking" for themselves.

Good grief. Its a logical argument. I always think for myself.

I haven't quoted one single commentator. Nor have I based what I believe on what they have said. If you don't believe this, then find one that says what I've said in this thread. Just one. There isn't one.

I was making the logical point that no Christian commentator has called Abraham a pimp and Sarah a whore.

Yet. The forum NUT rs2a has. He got this from infidels. Atheists and agnostics that deny any form of Judeo Christian values. Mockers. Scoffers. Deniers of God. That is who rsc2a is referencing.

So you lean on their universal agreement. At least in a small way. You can't stand on your own with this one - you need them to back you up.

Universal agreement? What "universal agreement"?