Did Abraham "pimp" his wife?

[rsc2a]

Just to show how much class and character rsca has.....

He's saying that Abraham "pimped" Sarah to Pharoah

http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/fallen-pastors-and-restoration/msg129003/#msg129003

I must say. I think it goes a long way in identifying just what kind of "person" rsc2a is. I have never seen a Christian make this kind of claim. Infidels, agnostics, and atheists.... Yes.

Seriously.... He seriously believes that Abraham "pimped" Sarah!!!

I imagine Abraham will have something to say about it one day.... not to mention what God thinks about his accusations toward Abraham!!!

Did you know Abraham and Sarah personally? You sure act like you do/did.

What kind of argument is that? I'm not accusing Abraham of being a pimp and Sarah of being a whore. Rsc2a is. Not me. I know what the Scriptures declare.

http://www.realbiblestories.com/abram-whores-out-his-wife-genesis-12/

Are you really going to accept what this site has to say about it?

Do you believe Sarah was a whore and Abraham "pimped" her out?

I don't know. It is an interesting line of thought when you review Genesis 12:14-16 ...

When Abram entered Egypt, the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. And when the princes of Pharaoh saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house. And for her sake he dealt well with Abram; and he had sheep, oxen, male donkeys, male servants, female servants, female donkeys, and camels.

We can assume the Pharaoh was so smitten by her beauty that he treated Abram well. That is what I have commonly believed.

But.

I have also learned that many times what I commonly hold to be true can be proven wrong by other biblical students.

How would you disprove this "Prostituting" theory? Besides mud flinging?

Was it the lie Abram told that cursed  them and made them sick? Or ... did something more serious happen?

Made who sick?

It was a common custom of that time to gift the family of a potential wife. Pharoah was bring nice to the family.

It takes a warped and twisted mind to twist what's being said into Abraham being a "pimp and Sarah being a "whore". Why in the world you would even consider such is beyond me.

Atheists, agnostics and God haters make such arguments in an attempt to discredit the Truth of God.

Which really is the reason rsc2a believes such. He didn't get what he said from another Christian. He got from a hater of God.

Wrong again:

But the Lord afflicted Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram's wife. So Pharaoh called Abram and said, ?What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? Why did you say, ?She is my sister,? so that I took her for my wife? Now then, here is your wife; take her, and go.?

What do you mean "wrong again". What was I wrong about?

You said "Made who sick" like you didn't know about "Lord afflicted Pharaoh and his house with great plagues"

Okay. I get it ... plagues ...  not sickness .... so technical. LOL

He said pretty much everything. That was his answer. You don't have to fill in the blanks

Why are you supporting an answer from infidels?

No. I didn't take "sick" to mean "plaques". That is your interruption of the words. Sorry if I didn't get your "interpretation" being "fact".

What does the "plaques" have to do with this?

Do you believe Sarah was a whore? and Abraham was her "pimp"?

I lean toward a more honorable Abraham.

Abraham told Sarah to lie about being his wife everywhere they went because he wanted to save his own skin. Multiple times, this led to her ending up in some other guy's harem.

How is being a coward and trading your wife for your own skin honorable? My kids even know this is disgraceful.

 

[praise_yeshua]

When a woman was brought into the seragilo or harem of the eastern princes, she underwent for a considerable time certain purifications before she was brought into the king's presence. It was in this interim that God plagued Pharaoh and his house with plagues, so that Sarai was restored before she could have been taken to the bed of the Egyptian king.

ADAM CLARK

What does this have to do with Sarah being a whore?

Proves one theory that she most likely wasn't a whore.

"Most likely"??? LOL

God has used whores. Sarah wasn't one of them and those whores he used..... didn't stay that way. Pay attention to the story of Rehab.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I lean toward a more honorable Abraham.

Abraham told Sarah to lie about being his wife everywhere they went because he wanted to save his own skin. Multiple times, this led to her ending up in some other guy's harem.

How is being a coward and trading your wife for your own skin honorable? My kids even know this is disgraceful.

Your kids know their father wouldn't lie to keep them alive.

I would. Abraham would. Abraham had more than just himself to worry about.

You see folks. This NUT doesn't know anything much about the story of Abraham. All he knows is what he learned from an infidel. A hater of God. Atheists. Agnostics.

He has betrayed his real source of information. He enjoys the babblings of infidels.

 

[rsc2a]

It wasn't about Sarah. It was about him.

"When he was about to enter Egypt, he said to Sarai his wife, ?I know that you are a woman beautiful in appearance, and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ?This is his wife.? Then they will kill me, but they will let you live. Say you are my sister, that it may go well with me because of you, and that my life may be spared for your sake.?

 

[praise_yeshua]

It wasn't about Sarah. It was about him.

"When he was about to enter Egypt, he said to Sarai his wife, ?I know that you are a woman beautiful in appearance, and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, ?This is his wife.? Then they will kill me, but they will let you live. Say you are my sister, that it may go well with me because of you, and that my life may be spared for your sake.?

Just who was with Abraham at the time? It was more than Sarah. You don't really know do you?

Read your bible instead of googling the sites of infidels.

 

[praise_yeshua]

When a woman was brought into the seragilo or harem of the eastern princes, she underwent for a considerable time certain purifications before she was brought into the king's presence. It was in this interim that God plagued Pharaoh and his house with plagues, so that Sarai was restored before she could have been taken to the bed of the Egyptian king.

ADAM CLARK

What does this have to do with Sarah being a whore?

Proves one theory that she most likely wasn't a whore.

"Most likely"??? LOL

God has used whores. Sarah wasn't one of them and those whores he used..... didn't stay that way. Pay attention to the story of Rehab.

Well. So much of each story in the Bible doesn't provide the full picture of a story. So much is left to speculation. We assume based on character or God's pleasure in that person. Many times we give people a more reputable back story. I said "most likely" since Abraham was the father of "God's people" and it seems that a man with that reputation wouldn't go making his wife a sex slave. But, as you mention, God uses all kinds ...

I imagine the NUT regrets googling and posting the first claim he came to about Abraham. He really doesn't know what the Scriptures say about Abraham.

Abraham was a just man. He had all his possessions with him. Along with many people he'd acquired in Harran. He wasn't thinking just about himself.

Yes. He shouldn't have been fearful. Yet, he loved his own. He did what he thought was necessary. He shouldn't have. Yet. that doesn't make him a pimp and Sarah a whore.

 

[praise_yeshua]

When a woman was brought into the seragilo or harem of the eastern princes, she underwent for a considerable time certain purifications before she was brought into the king's presence. It was in this interim that God plagued Pharaoh and his house with plagues, so that Sarai was restored before she could have been taken to the bed of the Egyptian king.

ADAM CLARK

What does this have to do with Sarah being a whore?

Proves one theory that she most likely wasn't a whore.

"Most likely"??? LOL

God has used whores. Sarah wasn't one of them and those whores he used..... didn't stay that way. Pay attention to the story of Rehab.

Well. So much of each story in the Bible doesn't provide the full picture of a story. So much is left to speculation. We assume based on character or God's pleasure in that person. Many times we give people a more reputable back story. I said "most likely" since Abraham was the father of "God's people" and it seems that a man with that reputation wouldn't go making his wife a sex slave. But, as you mention, God uses all kinds ...

I imagine the NUT regrets googling and posting the first claim he came to about Abraham. He really doesn't know what the Scriptures say about Abraham.

Abraham was a just man. He had all his possessions with him. Along with many people he'd acquired in Harran. He wasn't thinking just about himself.

Yes. He shouldn't have been fearful. Yet, he loved his own. He did what he thought was necessary. He shouldn't have. Yet. that doesn't make him a pimp and Sarah a whore.

How do you know?

How do I know what? I said more than one thing!!!

 

[FSSL]

I find myself in some agreement with rsc2a on this.

Abraham lived quite disobediently for about 20 years of his life and paid for it in a number of ways. In the end, Abraham, overall, could look back on his life as a God-fearing man.

While the idea of "pimping" her out is stark and brute. What else would you call it? There was an advantage to Abraham to behave in that manner. Abraham was given riches. God intervened, nevertheless.

What needs to be in perspective in this story is...
1) Everyone is human and makes grave mistakes.
2) The patriarchal setup of these OT families was brutish and stark according to our 2015 sensibilities. The woman in those days did not enjoy the freedoms our women do today. Therefore, I am not comfortable with the idea of Sarah as a whore. I do see that Abraham behaved as pimp.
3) Genuine believers will ultimately persevere because God, inevitably, intervenes.

 

[rsc2a]

Clearly, you are just another one of my many sock puppets.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I find myself in some agreement with rsc2a on this.

Abraham lived quite disobediently for about 20 years of his life and paid for it in a number of ways. In the end, Abraham, overall, could look back on his life as a God-fearing man.

While the idea of "pimping" her out is stark and brute. What else would you call it? There was an advantage to Abraham to behave in that manner. Abraham was given riches. God intervened, nevertheless.

What needs to be in perspective in this story is...
1) Everyone is human and makes grave mistakes.
2) The patriarchal setup of these OT families was brutish and stark according to our 2015 sensibilities. The woman in those days did not enjoy the freedoms our women do today. Therefore, I am not comfortable with the idea of Sarah as a whore. I do see that Abraham behaved as pimp.
3) Genuine believers will ultimately persevere because God, inevitably, intervenes.

I provided plenty of explaination. Why don't you read before you post such a stupid response.

Why don't you post one single reputable theologian that says Abraham was her pimp? Just one. Such claims come form infidels. Not Christians.

It an insult to the "father of faith" to say such stupid and derogatory things about him. I know Calvinism has taught you rather silly theology but not even Calvin would stoop to your level of accusations against Sarah and Abraham.

Abraham lied. He lied to protect not only himself but those he under his care. He didn't pimp Sarah out as his whore to appease Pharoah. He didn't know what to do. Other than what he did. Which is one of the reasons God said some rather astonishing things about Abraham. Things he didn't say about your sorry rearend.

This is really unbelievable to me. Two so called Christians that actually believe Sarah was a whore at the behest of Abraham. Idiots. Both of you!

 

[praise_yeshua]

When a woman was brought into the seragilo or harem of the eastern princes, she underwent for a considerable time certain purifications before she was brought into the king's presence. It was in this interim that God plagued Pharaoh and his house with plagues, so that Sarai was restored before she could have been taken to the bed of the Egyptian king.

ADAM CLARK

What does this have to do with Sarah being a whore?

Proves one theory that she most likely wasn't a whore.

"Most likely"??? LOL

God has used whores. Sarah wasn't one of them and those whores he used..... didn't stay that way. Pay attention to the story of Rehab.

Well. So much of each story in the Bible doesn't provide the full picture of a story. So much is left to speculation. We assume based on character or God's pleasure in that person. Many times we give people a more reputable back story. I said "most likely" since Abraham was the father of "God's people" and it seems that a man with that reputation wouldn't go making his wife a sex slave. But, as you mention, God uses all kinds ...

I imagine the NUT regrets googling and posting the first claim he came to about Abraham. He really doesn't know what the Scriptures say about Abraham.

Abraham was a just man. He had all his possessions with him. Along with many people he'd acquired in Harran. He wasn't thinking just about himself.

Yes. He shouldn't have been fearful. Yet, he loved his own. He did what he thought was necessary. He shouldn't have. Yet. that doesn't make him a pimp and Sarah a whore.

How do you know?

How do I know what? I said more than one thing!!!

"googling and posting the first claim"

How do you know this?

He didn't get what he said from a Christian theologian. He claims to be a student of the church fathers and he didn't get it from them.

Pray tell.... provide evidence of where he got it? I know where he got. Infidels, Athiests and haters of God. Deniers and mockers of the faith.

 

[rsc2a]

Gill, your favorite commentator after Boyd...

and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive; so great a regard had they in those times, and even in Heathen countries, to the laws of marriage, that they chose rather to be guilty of murder than of adultery, though a lustful people; and therefore would, as Abram feared, take away his life, that it might be free and lawful for them to marry Sarai.

Genesis 12:13
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Say, I pray thee, that thou art my sister,.... Which though it was not putting a direct lie into her mouth, she being his sister in some sense, as appears from Genesis 20:12 yet it was done to conceal truth, and to deceive the Egyptians, and tended to endanger his wife's chastity, as well as showed great timorousness in him, and distrust of the divine care and protection of him; and upon the whole it must be criminal in him, and shows that the best of men are liable to sin, and the strongest believer to fall, and that a saint may fail in the exercise of that grace for which he is most eminent, as Abram was for his faith, and yet fell into unbelief, and through that into other sins; this he said to his wife, and desired her to say on occasion, when she found it necessary:

He was afraid they would kill him and take Sarah, so he told her to lie so he wouldn't be killed. In doing so, he made his wife available for the sexual attentions of others...who he knew would find her attractive...all because he was a coward.

 

[rsc2a]

He didn't get what he said from a Christian theologian. He claims to be a student of the church fathers and he didn't get it from them.

Pray tell.... provide evidence of where he got it? I know where he got. Infidels, Athiests and haters of God. Deniers and mockers of the faith.

I didn't "get" it from anyone. I read the story and it's clear what Abraham did. Not once but twice. You were just so badly wrong that you refuse to admit it. Tell us again how Sarah talked him out of it so Abraham wised up!

 

[ALAYMAN]

Abe made a self-serving poor choice in order to save his own skin.  I wouldn't use the language that the rodent used to disrespectfully describe the patriarch, but whaddaya expect?  He's intentionally incendiary, often using trollish and, uh, obtusity.

 

[rsc2a]

Abe made a self-serving poor choice in order to save his own skin.  I wouldn't use the language that the rodent used to disrespectfully describe the patriarch, but whaddaya expect?  He's intentionally incendiary, often using trollish and, uh, obtusity.

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

I'll bet that the whole time she was doing the horizontal bop that Abe was maniacally laughing and relishing the freedom he'd purchased via his wife's body, like any good pimp would. /sarcasm

Like I said, obtuse.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Gill, your favorite commentator after Boyd...

and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive; so great a regard had they in those times, and even in Heathen countries, to the laws of marriage, that they chose rather to be guilty of murder than of adultery, though a lustful people; and therefore would, as Abram feared, take away his life, that it might be free and lawful for them to marry Sarai.

Genesis 12:13
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Say, I pray thee, that thou art my sister,.... Which though it was not putting a direct lie into her mouth, she being his sister in some sense, as appears from Genesis 20:12 yet it was done to conceal truth, and to deceive the Egyptians, and tended to endanger his wife's chastity, as well as showed great timorousness in him, and distrust of the divine care and protection of him; and upon the whole it must be criminal in him, and shows that the best of men are liable to sin, and the strongest believer to fall, and that a saint may fail in the exercise of that grace for which he is most eminent, as Abram was for his faith, and yet fell into unbelief, and through that into other sins; this he said to his wife, and desired her to say on occasion, when she found it necessary:

He was afraid they would kill him and take Sarah, so he told her to lie so he wouldn't be killed. In doing so, he made his wife available for the sexual attentions of others...who he knew would find her attractive...all because he was a coward.

Where do you get "pimp" and "whore" from Gills comments? I didn't read that part.

Please underline those descriptions.

Abraham did the only thing he knew to do. He was trying to save everyone. He couldn't have known that Pharoah would take her. He just knew he might. I suspect that Abraham was having a prayer meeting with God the entire time.

I know you idiot Calivinst think you can do anything you want to do and God is going to miraclously come to your rescue. Idiots. The lot of you. Idiots.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's be clear. by "self-serving poor choice", you mean he tossed her into Pharaoh's harem.

I'll bet that the whole time she was doing the horizontal bop that Abe was maniacally laughing and relishing the freedom he'd purchased via his wife's body, like any good pimp would. /sarcasm

Like I said, obtuse.

No. He was looking for next hooker to add to his stable so he could get the sons of Pharaoh on the payroll? What an idiot!

 

[praise_yeshua]

He didn't get what he said from a Christian theologian. He claims to be a student of the church fathers and he didn't get it from them.

Pray tell.... provide evidence of where he got it? I know where he got. Infidels, Athiests and haters of God. Deniers and mockers of the faith.

I didn't "get" it from anyone. I read the story and it's clear what Abraham did. Not once but twice. You were just so badly wrong that you refuse to admit it. Tell us again how Sarah talked him out of it so Abraham wised up!

Yes you did. You didn't get the term "pimp" in describing Abraham from a Christian scholar. You got it from an infidel.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Abe made a self-serving poor choice in order to save his own skin.  I wouldn't use the language that the rodent used to disrespectfully describe the patriarch, but whaddaya expect?  He's intentionally incendiary, often using trollish and, uh, obtusity.

Abraham was trying to save his entire "tribe". There is very little doubt he had several under his care.