Curtis Hutson Letter

[Walt]

I couldn't care less what the motivation of Sumner was. Devastated his case? Did Curtis Hudson rebutt the contents of the letter published by Judy Nischik? Did he also rebutt the extensive list of cover ups that happened on behalf of Dave Hyles? How about the account given by Paula? Were those rebutted? Were the contents of the book "Fundamental Seduction" by Voyle Glover rebutted? Was the account of the cover up and standing ovation given to a convicted child molestor rebutted?

Vic Nischik, husband of the alleged mistress - not credible?
Judy Nischik Johnson, daughter of the alleged mistress - not credible?
Linda Hyles Murphey, daughter of Jack Hyles - not credible?
Voyle Glover, Attorney and author - not credible?
Has everyone forgotten how Beverly Hyles was never mentioned from the pulpit and you never saw Jack and Beverly together?
Has anyone ever heard a firm denial from Beverly Hyles?

Come on people. Stop it with the "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" philosophy espoused by Jack Hyles. Every time I see this type of "defense" I shake my head in amazement. All of you have seen many things that would lead any rational and objective person away from the continued adoration of Jack Hyles.  Why do you seem to hang your hat on "there is no credible witness to the adultery" argument?

I sense your frustration.  You say that we have all seen many things.  This is the problem.  To many people the list of people you have mentioned are not credible.  Not one of these witnesses has given proof that Jack Hyles was an adulterer.  Yes, many of us see problems in other areas, but the adultery charge is not one of them.

Adultery is probably the most serious charge.  (I say "probably" because the heretical teachings about Jesus Christ may be considered more serious by some).

What would "proof" consist of - as Sumner remarked, adultery is not a spectator sport.  Per Vic Nischik, Jennie and Jack spent hours together on a cruise and a Holy Land tour, doing "planning".  Proof? Jack Hyles: "My people need to trust Me." (no, Mr Hyles, the members of your church - who are not "your people" - need to trust God, not you.").  Jennie N had an unlisted business phone in her office. To my knowledge, Hyles never denied this. Proof?  Hyles himself, under oath, admitted to giving around $100,000 to a woman he KNEW was having marital problems (Jennie). Proof?  After thundering out for years that no one should make a major decision without consulting Him, Hyles claims that Jennie divorced her husband without his knowledge.  But she still remained in the office close to him.  He said repeatedly that he would not have a divorced person on his staff... but she stayed.

Personally, I don't think that Hyles committed adultery with her. But I do believe he stole her affections from her husband.

Should he have been removed as pastor for that?  Not for that alone, but taken with everything else, yes, I think he should have been.

It is the un-Scriptural adulation of Jack Hyles that I find nauseating these days -- the quoting him as of he were the last word on anything.

 

[Norefund]

Since we are on the subject of the "improper relationship" - why did Jack Hyles deny that the door between their offices existed? If there was nothing to hide, why deny it? Why not remove it when it became an issue? And, why deny it when there were so many that knew of it's existence and it was published in pictures? Never understood that.

To those of you who don't think it's credible that an affair existed, how do you feel about it if it was just an emotional affair? Does it make it OK in your eyes if they professed love for each other but never had coitus (I feel like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory right now)?  Ask your spouse how that would go over in your marriage.

 

[Vince Massi]

Around 1970, I heard a Christian radio broadcast that described a vast conspiracy to seize all Alaskan oil. A Baptist minister who observed the equipment---

A vast secret conspiracy and they let a Baptist minster come in and look at it?



Around 1990, a janitor from Bob Jones University was home on vacation. He visited a nearby abandoned  fort, where thousands of foreign troops were secretly stationed. Not being Americans, they could violate our Constitutional rights legally when the government sent them out to control us.

They secretly stationed thousands of foreign troops in the US, and they let a janitor from BJU stroll in and see them?



And unknown pastor sent Curtiss Hutson a letter asking for Hutson's secret information on Jack Hyles....

 

[kaba]

Since we are on the subject of the "improper relationship" - why did Jack Hyles deny that the door between their offices existed? If there was nothing to hide, why deny it? Why not remove it when it became an issue? And, why deny it when there were so many that knew of it's existence and it was published in pictures? Never understood that.

To those of you who don't think it's credible that an affair existed, how do you feel about it if it was just an emotional affair? Does it make it OK in your eyes if they professed love for each other but never had coitus (I feel like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory right now)?  Ask your spouse how that would go over in your marriage.

I agree! When you profess your love to another man's wife or another woman's husband, that is an affair!! You are taking the love away from the wife you have pledge to love, and honor.

 

[IFB X-Files]

Around 1970, I heard a Christian radio broadcast that described a vast conspiracy to seize all Alaskan oil. A Baptist minister who observed the equipment---

A vast secret conspiracy and they let a Baptist minster come in and look at it?



Around 1990, a janitor from Bob Jones University was home on vacation. He visited a nearby abandoned  fort, where thousands of foreign troops were secretly stationed. Not being Americans, they could violate our Constitutional rights legally when the government sent them out to control us.

They secretly stationed thousands of foreign troops in the US, and they let a janitor from BJU stroll in and see them?



And unknown pastor sent Curtiss Hutson a letter asking for Hutson's secret information on Jack Hyles....

All true.  I read it in the National Enquirer.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Since we are on the subject of the "improper relationship" - why did Jack Hyles deny that the door between their offices existed? If there was nothing to hide, why deny it? Why not remove it when it became an issue? And, why deny it when there were so many that knew of it's existence and it was published in pictures? Never understood that.

To those of you who don't think it's credible that an affair existed, how do you feel about it if it was just an emotional affair? Does it make it OK in your eyes if they professed love for each other but never had coitus (I feel like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory right now)?  Ask your spouse how that would go over in your marriage.

I agree! When you profess your love to another man's wife or another woman's husband, that is an affair!! You are taking the love away from the wife you have pledge to love, and honor.

For anyone that is really interested and is being bothered by this, I would suggest going to the Lake County Courthouse, ask to see the depositions in the JN divorce case.
You can read it all there or you could pay for them to provide you compete copies.
These are all under oath and are plainly conclusive. Don't trust wild Internet speculation, go to the original sources where the truth lies.
.

A platonic relationship in my view is exceedingly improper.

 

[TidesofTruth]

A platonic relationship in my view is exceedingly improper.

An intimate relationship regardless of the physicality of a married individual towards anyone who is not their spouse is sinful.

It is fire taken into the bosom.

Platonic has many degrees.  From Strictly Spiritual to deeply intimate and romantic without physical intimacy.  And even the physical part can be degreed.



To those who think that he got away with it are foolish.  He got away with nothing.  The name has been shamed and the iniquity passed.

Whether there was sin committed is not my point.  My point is IF you are going to make a claim, an accusation please be clear on what you are accusing, have enough integrity that you not stretch the truth for expediency and don't go at it with a lot of suppositions.  If FBCH or any other IFB really want to practice church discipline We don't need revenge, we don't need ulterior motives, we don't need power struggles we don't need drama queens, we don't need the attention whores and we don't need gossip mongers.  We will need some disciplined minds, disciplined mouths and spiritual hearts to be able to do an effective job. 

 

[tobytyler]

I couldn't care less what the motivation of Sumner was. Devastated his case? Did Curtis Hudson rebutt the contents of the letter published by Judy Nischik? Did he also rebutt the extensive list of cover ups that happened on behalf of Dave Hyles? How about the account given by Paula? Were those rebutted? Were the contents of the book "Fundamental Seduction" by Voyle Glover rebutted? Was the account of the cover up and standing ovation given to a convicted child molestor rebutted?

Vic Nischik, husband of the alleged mistress - not credible?
Judy Nischik Johnson, daughter of the alleged mistress - not credible?
Linda Hyles Murphey, daughter of Jack Hyles - not credible?
Voyle Glover, Attorney and author - not credible?
Has everyone forgotten how Beverly Hyles was never mentioned from the pulpit and you never saw Jack and Beverly together?
Has anyone ever heard a firm denial from Beverly Hyles?

Come on people. Stop it with the "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" philosophy espoused by Jack Hyles. Every time I see this type of "defense" I shake my head in amazement. All of you have seen many things that would lead any rational and objective person away from the continued adoration of Jack Hyles.  Why do you seem to hang your hat on "there is no credible witness to the adultery" argument?

I sense your frustration.  You say that we have all seen many things.  This is the problem.  To many people the list of people you have mentioned are not credible.  Not one of these witnesses has given proof that Jack Hyles was an adulterer.  Yes, many of us see problems in other areas, but the adultery charge is not one of them.

Adultery is probably the most serious charge.  (I say "probably" because the heretical teachings about Jesus Christ may be considered more serious by some).

What would "proof" consist of - as Sumner remarked, adultery is not a spectator sport.  Per Vic Nischik, Jennie and Jack spent hours together on a cruise and a Holy Land tour, doing "planning".  Proof? Jack Hyles: "My people need to trust Me." (no, Mr Hyles, the members of your church - who are not "your people" - need to trust God, not you.").  Jennie N had an unlisted business phone in her office. To my knowledge, Hyles never denied this. Proof?  Hyles himself, under oath, admitted to giving around $100,000 to a woman he KNEW was having marital problems (Jennie). Proof?  After thundering out for years that no one should make a major decision without consulting Him, Hyles claims that Jennie divorced her husband without his knowledge.  But she still remained in the office close to him.  He said repeatedly that he would not have a divorced person on his staff... but she stayed.

Personally, I don't think that Hyles committed adultery with her. But I do believe he stole her affections from her husband.

Should he have been removed as pastor for that?  Not for that alone, but taken with everything else, yes, I think he should have been.

It is the un-Scriptural adulation of Jack Hyles that I find nauseating these days -- the quoting him as of he were the last word on anything.

I never heard the part that JH would never have a divorced person on his staff.  He may have been speaking of male staff members; because in the 70's and 80's there were many divorced women on his church and HAC staff, including his own sister.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=tobytyler]...including his own sister.[/quote]

Doesn't count.

Nepotism covers a multitude of sins.

 

[Sherryh]

if the old forum is working go click in and read to your eyes shut..... This is old rehashed news..........

 

[Norefund]

....and an unnamed Pastor saw the list of those to be rounded up and executed first by the KGB after the Communist takeover of America with Jack Hyles being number #2 on the list. I heard that from the pulpit of FBC by the man himself. It had to be true, right?

Along those lines, I once visited Dealey Plaza in Dallas to see the site of the JFK assassination. There were various indiciduals selling books and newspapers and conducting pseudo tours proclaiming they knew who the conspirators were that collaborated to kill JFK. Woodward and Bernstein didn't know, ABC, NBC, and CBS didn't know. Any number of other respected journalists didn't know, but these homeless, semi-homeless, or just plain slackers had the info.

The letter does nothing to change my thoughts on Jack Hyles (or JFK or the KGB takeover).

Around 1970, I heard a Christian radio broadcast that described a vast conspiracy to seize all Alaskan oil. A Baptist minister who observed the equipment---

A vast secret conspiracy and they let a Baptist minster come in and look at it?



Around 1990, a janitor from Bob Jones University was home on vacation. He visited a nearby abandoned  fort, where thousands of foreign troops were secretly stationed. Not being Americans, they could violate our Constitutional rights legally when the government sent them out to control us.

They secretly stationed thousands of foreign troops in the US, and they let a janitor from BJU stroll in and see them?



And unknown pastor sent Curtiss Hutson a letter asking for Hutson's secret information on Jack Hyles....

 

[baptistpreach]

I'd also agree it's fake, just too much like the KGB or BJU janitor to be real. Furthermore, I'd also believe Curtis Hutson would be impugning his own character by not doing anything about it. Everything I've read about Curtis Hutson, he had integrity.

 

[Matthew1323]

Since we are on the subject of the "improper relationship" - why did Jack Hyles deny that the door between their offices existed? If there was nothing to hide, why deny it? Why not remove it when it became an issue? And, why deny it when there were so many that knew of it's existence and it was published in pictures? Never understood that.

To those of you who don't think it's credible that an affair existed, how do you feel about it if it was just an emotional affair? Does it make it OK in your eyes if they professed love for each other but never had coitus (I feel like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory right now)?  Ask your spouse how that would go over in your marriage.

I agree! When you profess your love to another man's wife or another woman's husband, that is an affair!! You are taking the love away from the wife you have pledge to love, and honor.

I agree also.

See what the Bible says adultery is concerning Israel and Jehovah. Observe what our Lord thought about it and the consequences concerning this treachery.

Jesus told us what adultery was in the New Testamment also, but frankly some Christians apparently don't really care for that interpretation either.