Creation and Evolution!

[Tarheel Baptist]

Our church just hosted an Answers in Genesis Conference. I was surprised at the huge interest shown by our community. At this mornings sessions, we had over 350 school children for the lectures. Elementary kids in session one and teens in session two.
Some home schoolers, some Christian School groups but a very large number of kids came from public schools. I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Do you believe in Creation as opposed to Evolution?
Do you believe in a six day creation?
Young earth?
Gap Theory, Age Day Theory etc...

 

[rsc2a]

Our church just hosted an Answers in Genesis Conference. I was surprised at the huge interest shown by our community. At this mornings sessions, we had over 350 school children for the lectures. Elementary kids in session one and teens in session two.
Some home schoolers, some Christian School groups but a very large number of kids came from public schools.

:-X

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.[/quote]

Why?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Do you believe in Creation as opposed to Evolution?[/quote]

Both/and, not either/or.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Do you believe in a six day creation?[/quote]

Six literary days, not six twenty-four hour periods.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Young earth?[/quote]

No.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Gap Theory, Age Day Theory etc...[/quote]

Probably something most closely related to theistic evolution.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Do you believe in Creation as opposed to Evolution?

Yes.  Microevolution (variation) is demonstrable and tested.  It is no longer a hypothesis, but a theory.  Macroevolution (beetles and beavers have a common ancestor) is just a hypothesis.  And I'm being kind.  "Fairy tale" would be more accurate. 

Do you believe in a six day creation?

Yes.

Young earth?

I don't know.  Possible.  If so, how young?  I don't know.  I think it's possible that whatever global catastrophe caused Noah's flood is also responsible for splitting up the continents and creating things like the Rocky Mountains, etc. 

 

[JrChurch]

Glad to hear your conference was well attended. 

Yes, I believe in a literal, 6-day creation of a young earth that was created with age.  Gap Theory- I see it. 

 

[Izdaari]

Very old Earth. The scientists have the age right.

God created everything. I don't rule out that He may have used evolution as part of it, and I'm pretty sure He used the Big Bang. Six literary days, not six literal days. I think the Framework Interpretation is the best way of looking at it.

I'm just sharing my PoV. I'm not interested in debating it.  8)

 

[Anchor]

Literary days is a new term for me.  Is that the same as the revelatory day concept; i.e., that each "evening and morning were the .....day" represents not what was created that day, but the part of creation that was revealed to Moses to record that day?

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Genesis 1:3-5
And God said,

 

[graceandtruth]

Genesis 1:3-5
And God said,

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Why?

Because origins are foundational. If Genesis 1-11 aren't true, then all other scripture can be suspect. Man is either made in Gods image or he is another evolved species. If he's another evolved animal species, then he has picked himself up by his evolutionary boot straps and is moving up on his own.

The Bible is trustworthy or it isn't.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Do you believe in Creation as opposed to Evolution?[/quote]


[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Do you believe in a six day creation?[/quote]

Six literary days, not six twenty-four hour periods.

Literary days?


[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Gap Theory, Age Day Theory etc...[/quote]

Probably something most closely related to theistic evolution.
[/quote]

An oxymoron!

 

[Just me]

This should settle it all. 

Creation Seminar 1 - Kent Hovind - Age of the Earth (FULL)

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Genesis 1:3-5
And God said,

 

[rsc2a]

Genesis 1:3-5
And God said,

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Why?

Because origins are foundational. If Genesis 1-11 aren't true, then all other scripture can be suspect. Man is either made in Gods image or he is another evolved species. If he's another evolved animal species, then he has picked himself up by his evolutionary boot straps and is moving up on his own. [/quote]

False dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The Bible is trustworthy or it isn't.[/quote]

And a tautology.

 

[Castor Muscular]

The Bible is mostly trustworthy (there ARE errors in the OT, probably copyist errors, and the NT canon is still debated).  Suffice it to say it is the most trustworthy book ever, to my knowledge.  Our interpretation of it is not always trustworthy, though.

I think the whole 24-Hour-Day vs. Some-Other-Length-Day argument is mostly important to people who feel like they have to be right about everything.  We'll never know for sure this side of heaven.  I'm content to wait. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Why?

Because origins are foundational. If Genesis 1-11 aren't true, then all other scripture can be suspect. Man is either made in Gods image or he is another evolved species. If he's another evolved animal species, then he has picked himself up by his evolutionary boot straps and is moving up on his own.

False dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The Bible is trustworthy or it isn't.[/quote]

And a tautology.
[/quote]

No, it is trustworthy or it isn't.
To say that the Bible is mostly trustworthy or sometimes trustworthy is the equivalent of being mostly faithful to your wife!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

The Bible is mostly trustworthy (there ARE errors in the OT, probably copyist errors, and the NT canon is still debated).  Suffice it to say it is the most trustworthy book ever, to my knowledge.  Our interpretation of it is not always trustworthy, though.

I think the whole 24-Hour-Day vs. Some-Other-Length-Day argument is mostly important to people who feel like they have to be right about everything.  We'll never know for sure this side of heaven.  I'm content to wait.

I repeat...that is like saying I'm mostly faithful to my wife.
The canon might be debated in neo - orthodox or postmodern theology classes....but I believe the Bible is Divinely inspired and is the Word of God.

I think the 24 hour day vs. other length day Is determined by what lens you view Scripture thru...that of the Bible as Gods Word or the Bible thru the lens of "science".

The word for day is day. If I follow your hermeneutic, Jonah and the great fish could have died of old age....waiting for the third multi billion year day to be accomplished! 

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Why?

Because origins are foundational. If Genesis 1-11 aren't true, then all other scripture can be suspect. Man is either made in Gods image or he is another evolved species. If he's another evolved animal species, then he has picked himself up by his evolutionary boot straps and is moving up on his own.

False dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The Bible is trustworthy or it isn't.

And a tautology.
[/quote]

No, it is trustworthy or it isn't.
To say that the Bible is mostly trustworthy or sometimes trustworthy is the equivalent of being mostly faithful to your wife!
[/quote]

Do you know what a tautology is?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The canon might be debated in neo - orthodox or postmodern theology classes....but I believe the Bible is Divinely inspired and is the Word of God.[/quote]

I believe the Bible is divinely inspired as well, and that it reveals the Word of God.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think the 24 hour day vs. other length day Is determined by what lens you view Scripture thru...that of the Bible as Gods Word or the Bible thru the lens of "science".[/quote]

Another false dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The word for day is day...[/quote]

Yes, but the Bible wasn't written in English...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think this issue is key in the so called culture wars.

Why?

Because origins are foundational. If Genesis 1-11 aren't true, then all other scripture can be suspect. Man is either made in Gods image or he is another evolved species. If he's another evolved animal species, then he has picked himself up by his evolutionary boot straps and is moving up on his own.

False dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The Bible is trustworthy or it isn't.

And a tautology.

No, it is trustworthy or it isn't.
To say that the Bible is mostly trustworthy or sometimes trustworthy is the equivalent of being mostly faithful to your wife!
[/quote]

Do you know what a tautology is?
[/quote]

Yes, but I wonder if you do....
Can you be mostly faithful to your wife?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The canon might be debated in neo - orthodox or postmodern theology classes....but I believe the Bible is Divinely inspired and is the Word of God.

I believe the Bible is divinely inspired as well, and that it reveals the Word of God.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I think the 24 hour day vs. other length day Is determined by what lens you view Scripture thru...that of the Bible as Gods Word or the Bible thru the lens of "science".[/quote]

Another false dichotomy.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The word for day is day...[/quote]

Yes, but the Bible wasn't written in English...
[/quote]

No, you interpret the Bible thru the lens of science....therefore you question the meaning of day (yom, in the hebrew) in Genesis 1 but accept that it means day everwhere else.
Why? Because the Word of God' reveals to you' that science must not be contradicted by the Bible, so you use the contortion school of hermeneutics. Do you believe a great fish swallowed Jonah and kept him for 3 days....yom in hebrew....how long were the days?