California Governor: Harris vs Jenner

Counterpoint: She can't be worse than Newsom, so there's that.
I’m not sure I’d concur. I actually think she can be worse—maybe even much worse.
Thanks to Jenner, transgender rights went from being an eccentricity of less than half a percent of the population, to the greatest source of social confusion and upheaval in the last few decades.
Admittedly, I’d never considered this angle, but I think you might be correct.
Counterpoint: He seems to be a fiscal conservative, so there's that.
Yes, and I think Jenner would be my choice before Harris. At least I believe Jenner would be a fiscal conservative and is anti-socialist. All that being said, I still think I’d have to go 3rd party.
 
In the latter case, as the highest-profile person ever to claim a transgender identity when he renamed himself "Caitlyn" in 2015, Jenner is probably the person most responsible for mainstreaming and glamorizing the transgender social craze. For maybe a year before that, topics like preferred pronouns, "deadnaming" or "misgendering" circulated on university campuses and progressive-leaning sites like Tumblr. Thanks to Jenner, transgender rights went from being an eccentricity of less than half a percent of the population, to the greatest source of social confusion and upheaval in the last few decades. Jenner is a lunatic. Not gubernatorial material.
Jenner's political appeal to conservatives was that he was vocal in his opposition to men and boys in women's sports and bathrooms and such. He was a guest on conservative talk shows.
 
Yes, and I think Jenner would be my choice before Harris.
There would only be a difference between them in Sodom, where nature and nature's God were rejected and all forms of perversion were glorified.

Our elections, right now, are becoming contests between these ideologies. If Bruce and Kamala were the choices on a ticket, it would mean Sodom prevails.
 
There would only be a difference between them in Sodom, where nature and nature's God were rejected and all forms of perversion were glorified.

Our elections, right now, are becoming contests between these ideologies. If Bruce and Kamala were the choices on a ticket, it would mean Sodom prevails.
However…you conveniently left off the remaining part of my quote, which was, “All that being said, I still think I’d have to go 3rd party.”
 
Jenner's political appeal to conservatives was that he was vocal in his opposition to men and boys in women's sports and bathrooms and such. He was a guest on conservative talk shows.
My response to them is the same: he started this. It's a bit late to complain about men invading women's institutions, with a trophy case full of Stunning and Brave Woman of the Year Awards.
 
My response to them is the same: he started this. It's a bit late to complain about men invading women's institutions, with a trophy case full of Stunning and Brave Woman of the Year Awards.

very true.... . jenner absolutely started it all.... .. and now like a kid playing with matches that sets the house on fire he appeals to the incoming firefighters and police that he;s willing to help fight the fire.... .. :rolleyes:...... but is he serious or is he just trying to keep his name in front of as many news channels as possible?......... it;s doubtful he feels any remorse for the firestorm he started... ...if he did and he expressed that it could help his possibilities of getting elected... .....

but this is all hypothetical anyway... and based on the remote possibility that republicans in california would nominate him as their candidate.. ... and based on the idea that the 3rd party candidate would have no real chance of winning..... and..- also based on the even more remote possibility that we all lived in california - which i don;t... and never will again......

but in the event that something like this happened in hawaii i might feel very differently.... and if a 3rd party candidate actually had a chance - i would absolutely vote 3rd party..... or if not.. who knows.. maybe even join the hawaiian sovereignty movement.... ;):sneaky::cool:
 
Policy over principles. Or so I have heard.
wrong.... it would be called serving a greater principle over your pride and misguided policy..... even when it hurts you personally to do it.... .... ... and what good are your "principles" when you vote in a way that would allow millions of children to be indoctrinated into lgbtq ideology?... and thousands of others to be taken without their parents knowledge to butchers - to be sexually mutilated? - just so you can say you didn;t vote for someone who mutilated himself?... (or maybe someone who made some "mean" tweets)... ... but i guess it;s whatever gives you the warm fuzzies and pleasant dreams at night...... right?......
 
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although it is the most important issue.... it is not the only issue ..... ... and we already spent many decades when the battle was all but lost as democrats went about pretending row vrs wade was established law... and republicans refused to put up any real fight but kept the issue alive in their speeches for the sake of fund raising..... but even then we didn;t abandon a viable candidate that stood for other issues and represented the lesser evil - to vote for a 3rd party candidate whose campaign served only to cement the victory of the worst evil.... ..... ... ...i know many people here see it differently... but for me it would be like giving up the fight and wrapping myself in 3rd party pipe dreams - favorite comfy blankets and waiting for the end to come...... i can;t do that.....

however.... if 3rd party candidates who support pro-life and other christian issues becomes viable and can serve as more than just election spoilers some day... then i will vote for them.... ..... but so far even the 3rd party candidate who garnered more support than any other in a hundred years did nothing but usher in the worst case scenario for the perot brand conservatives who voted for him .... his supporters as well as republicans who voted for bush got bill clinton and liberal polices that were the exact opposite of what they claimed to believe in..... and bill clinton took office with only 43% of the popular vote..... ..
I certainly respect your perspective on staying in the fight for the long haul, but for me, it violates my conscience to think about voting for somebody who would actively endorse the murder of babies. I suppose you could look at it like the fundy doctrine of separation. There are degrees within that framework on what a person can tolerate. For instance, I know and respect many folk that are tee-totalers when it comes to alcohol. Though I abstain from any "strong drink" I don't refuse to patronize establishments/restaurants that sell it, so long as their environment is otherwise family oriented and relatively wholesome. Nor do I think moderate alcohol consumption is necessarily a sin. On the other hand, if somebody invites me to a New Years party, and I know that there will be what I consider to be excessive partying, even if it's on an otherwise socially acceptable level, I won't go. That's partially why I don't attend my own company Christmas party. Some would judge me as a compromiser for even daring to enter such a place that serves alcohol (a restaurant), let alone patronize it, but I'm okay with that since I won't ultimately stand before them in judgment. In regards to my vote and the abortion issue, my pragmatism has similar limits.
 
I certainly respect your perspective on staying in the fight for the long haul, but for me, it violates my conscience to think about voting for somebody who would actively endorse the murder of babies. I suppose you could look at it like the fundy doctrine of separation. There are degrees within that framework on what a person can tolerate. For instance, I know and respect many folk that are tee-totalers when it comes to alcohol. Though I abstain from any "strong drink" I don't refuse to patronize establishments/restaurants that sell it, so long as their environment is otherwise family oriented and relatively wholesome. Nor do I think moderate alcohol consumption is necessarily a sin. On the other hand, if somebody invites me to a New Years party, and I know that there will be what I consider to be excessive partying, even if it's on an otherwise socially acceptable level, I won't go. That's partially why I don't attend my own company Christmas party. Some would judge me as a compromiser for even daring to enter such a place that serves alcohol (a restaurant), let alone patronize it, but I'm okay with that since I won't ultimately stand before them in judgment. In regards to my vote and the abortion issue, my pragmatism has similar limits.
i owe my life to the kind of people who stay in the fight.... and who go into places and situations others run away from. .. and for the past 3 decades i have been first raised by them and lived with them... so i guess you could say it;s in my nature to never give up... if not actually in my blood... .. .

fact is both candidates in this hypothetical scenario endorse the murder of babies... .. but one of them also endorses the sexual mutilaton of children in the name of lgtbq depravity... . i would have to do all i could to see that one stays out of office even if it meant voting for the other one.. ... ....unless... of course.... a prolife 3rd candidate actually has a chance to win..... otherwise i see voting 3rd party as giving in and even enabling the worst case scenario........

what we as christians need to do is continue hitting the streets and sharing the gospel ... getting people into church and into christian communities of friends and families.... ... people will change their minds when Jesus changes their hearts.... ..we have a part to play in making that happen..... a part that is often ignored and neglected by too many christians......
 
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Definitely worth repeating…

….what we as christians need to do is continue hitting the streets and sharing the gospel ... getting people into church and into christian communities of friends and families.... ... people will change their minds when Jesus changes their hearts.... ..we have a part to play in making that happen..... a part that is often ignored and neglected by too many christians......
 
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