Brian Hasse Sr. Pastor Mount Carmel Regular Baptist Church, Luray, Virginia

[Jim Jones]

In this thread Hasse is being accused of holding to Calvinistic beliefs.  What has he said or done that would make you believe this?

Well, accepting the call to pastor a Calvinist church might be a good clue.

Please don't state the obvious.

Especially when it makes  sense.

 

[sword]

In 1959 Jack Hyles became the pastor of a very formal & somewhat liberal American Baptist church. I don't think, when he became pastor that made him either a devout American Baptist, a liberal or suddenly made him a formal pastor. What it did do was put him in a position of compromising his beliefs or fighting for them. 

A church tends to change to fit their new pastor, not the other way around. That is if the pastor last long enough to see change. It is always best when a pastor gets called to a church that already shares his beliefs and standards.

 

[sword]

Can anyone posts any sermons or published material or even conversations where Brian gave any indication he had Calvinist leanings.

Is this just wild speculation on the part of posters or is there some evidence he has these underlying beliefs. I have never heard this suggested from any of my friends in Hammond or anyone else for that matter.

I know a lot gets posted here for conversation sake, but to just subscribe a belief system to someone without any basis seems a little reckless or wrong. Every account I have of Brian is he's a very caring, honest & hard working guy who cares greatly for others.

 

[RAIDER]

In 1959 Jack Hyles became the pastor of a very formal & somewhat liberal American Baptist church. I don't think, when he became pastor that made him either a devout American Baptist, a liberal or suddenly made him a formal pastor. What is did do was put him in a position of compromising his beliefs or fighting for them. 

A church tends to change to fit their new pastor, not the other way around. That is if the pastor last long enough that is. It is always best when a pastor gets called to a church that already shares his beliefs and standards.

This was exactly my thought.

 

[RAIDER]

Can anyone posts any sermons or published material or even conversations where Brian gave any indication he had Calvinist leanings.

Is this just wild speculation on the part of posters or is there some evidence he has these underlying beliefs. I have never heard this suggested from any of my friends in Hammond or anyone else for that matter.

I know a lot gets posted here for conversation sake, but to just subscribe a belief system to someone without any basis seems a little reckless or wrong. Every account I have of Brian is he's a very caring, honest & hard working guy who cares greatly for others.

What he said!

 

[Twisted]

In 1959 Jack Hyles became the pastor of a very formal & somewhat liberal American Baptist church. I don't think, when he became pastor that made him either a devout American Baptist, a liberal or suddenly made him a formal pastor. What is did do was put him in a position of compromising his beliefs or fighting for them. 

A church tends to change to fit their new pastor, not the other way around. That is if the pastor last long enough that is. It is always best when a pastor gets called to a church that already shares his beliefs and standards.

Good points.

Why would a Calvinist church call a non-Calvinist pastor?

Why would a non-Calvinist accept the call of a Calvinist church?

We obviously don't have all the info needed to understand.  Is Hasse looking to go to some church in order to change it?  I'm sure there must be plenty of churches that have the same doctrinal beliefs as Hasse that need a pastor.  Why go into a fight like that?

Does the church see it's need of change?

 

[RAIDER]

http://www.mcrbc.org/

Is it just me, or does #'s 3,4,5 appear to make this church Calvinist?

http://www.mcrbc.org/our-beliefs.html

  3.      We believe that the fall of mankind in Adam led to all men?s guilt and condemnation, together with their entire and universal depravity, by which they were utterly alienated from God and are unable in and of themselves to turn to Him.




  4.      We believe that God, from the beginning or in eternity, chose His people in Christ unto salvation, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; all of which are set forth and affected through the Gospel.




  5.      We believe in the special and complete redemption of all the family of God through the blood of Christ by virtue of His vicarious suffering and sacrificial death.

 

[sword]

http://www.mcrbc.org/

Is it just me, or does #'s 3,4,5 appear to make this church Calvinist?
http://www.mcrbc.org/our-beliefs.html

  3.      We believe that the fall of mankind in Adam led to all men?s guilt and condemnation, together with their entire and universal depravity, by which they were utterly alienated from God and are unable in and of themselves to turn to Him.

  4.      We believe that God, from the beginning or in eternity, chose His people in Christ unto salvation, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; all of which are set forth and affected through the Gospel.

  5.      We believe in the special and complete redemption of all the family of God through the blood of Christ by virtue of His vicarious suffering and sacrificial death.

What about number 10. Would a church that embraces Calvinistic Theology promote evangalism?

10.    We believe that the commission of our Lord Jesus Christ given to His disciples makes it imperative on their part to preach the Gospel in all the world, to every creature, until the Lord shall come again from heaven to raise His sleeping dead, to change his living and waiting saints and translate them to glory

 

[RAIDER]

http://www.mcrbc.org/

Is it just me, or does #'s 3,4,5 appear to make this church Calvinist?
http://www.mcrbc.org/our-beliefs.html

  3.      We believe that the fall of mankind in Adam led to all men?s guilt and condemnation, together with their entire and universal depravity, by which they were utterly alienated from God and are unable in and of themselves to turn to Him.

  4.      We believe that God, from the beginning or in eternity, chose His people in Christ unto salvation, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; all of which are set forth and affected through the Gospel.

  5.      We believe in the special and complete redemption of all the family of God through the blood of Christ by virtue of His vicarious suffering and sacrificial death.

What about number 10. Would a church that embraces Calvinistic Theology promote evangalism?

10.    We believe that the commission of our Lord Jesus Christ given to His disciples makes it imperative on their part to preach the Gospel in all the world, to every creature, until the Lord shall come again from heaven to raise His sleeping dead, to change his living and waiting saints and translate them to glory

I'm still trying to find the problem.  Personally I would have an issue with the use of multiple Bible translations that they have on their website.

 

[Twisted]

http://www.mcrbc.org/

Is it just me, or does #'s 3,4,5 appear to make this church Calvinist?

http://www.mcrbc.org/our-beliefs.html

  3.      We believe that the fall of mankind in Adam led to all men?s guilt and condemnation, together with their entire and universal depravity, by which they were utterly alienated from God and are unable in and of themselves to turn to Him.




  4.      We believe that God, from the beginning or in eternity, chose His people in Christ unto salvation, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; all of which are set forth and affected through the Gospel.




  5.      We believe in the special and complete redemption of all the family of God through the blood of Christ by virtue of His vicarious suffering and sacrificial death.

#3.  Total depravity

#4, #5  The "elect".

Many Regular Baptist churches are Calvinists.

It's the reading of all their points together that gives a "feel" of Calvinism.

The point of evangelism means they would be moderate Calvinists.  I know an SBC pastor who is a Calvinist and a soul-winner.  (!?!)

 

[Twisted]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

 

[BALAAM]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

I didn't want to say anything........

 

[Twisted]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

I didn't want to say anything........

Grace and mercy in action.

 

[BALAAM]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

I didn't want to say anything........

Grace and mercy in action.

You know me Dave!

 

[Twisted]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

I didn't want to say anything........

Grace and mercy in action.

You know me Dave!

?  I'm not Dave Hyles.  Sorry.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

The other side of Spurgeon. A soul winner who believed in election!

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0041.php

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Hey, Raider, can I count the above post as one of my three for the day, or am I being a bit of a rebel?

 

[bgwilkinson]

It seems to me that the polemic accusation of "Calvinist" is thrown around rather loosely perhaps without understanding the doctrines of grace or having ever read any of the reformers in their own words.

Who is in favor of Arminianism?

How about Pelagianism?

Monergism?

Synergism?

 

[bgwilkinson]

The other side of Spurgeon. A soul winner who believed in election!

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0041.php

One who holds to the doctrines of grace are not opposed to following the scriptures in the making of disciples.

 

[TidesofTruth]

Well, if they ARE a Calvinist church, the receptionist doesn't know it.

I called and asked.

I would recommend (if that is true) that their posted beliefs be clarified to eliminate the confusion.

But then I'm confused all the time anyway.

Could be that none of the  church knows what they are.  Could be the last pastor had the Doctrines revised to his liking and had none that really understood what they meant.  Could be that the men who wrote those statements
were from long ago and no one there even knows what they mean.

A person who subscribes to all or a portion of Calvinistic Doctrine does not necessarily mean they neglect the Great Commission.  D. James Kennedy an avid Calvinist wrote a program called Evangelism Explosion that for the reformist was the "Let's Go Soulwinning" of their denominations.

I was trained in both.

Revisit this in a year and see if they change.