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Found this today on Bob Gray Sr's X page. With Dave and Brenda Hyles at Immanuel Baptist Church (Greg "hidden video camera" Neal's church) in Jacksonville, Fl which is the new host for Dave's Fallen in Grace sham, now called Galatians 6:1. Bob is a full bore supporter and reveals he has no spiritual discernment or common sense in supporting this. I'm beginning to wonder if Bob is even saved. May they stand together before God.20250115_142146.jpg
 
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Found this today on Bob Gray Sr's X page. With Dave and Brenda Hyles at Immanuel Baptist Church (Greg "hidden video camera" Neal's church) in Jacksonville, Fl which is the new host for Dave's Fallen in Grace sham, now called Galatians 6:1. Bob is a full bore supporter and reveals he has no spiritual discernment or common sense in supporting this. I'm beginning to wonder if Bob is even saved. May they stand together before God.View attachment 6373
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This is why churches are laughed at people refuse to believe God. dh has destroyed many lives. God spared me but I saw it all happening. I get sick at my stomach looking at this picture. justice will come not always when we want it..........
 
I heard Bob Gray Sr in 1988 near Jackson, MI and wodered if he was a Christian then. He was so unhinged and centered on the numbers of people who responded to his "preaching" that it is almost a given that John 5:44 applies to him. Then I heard him in 2003 in Minneapolis and it was confirmed.
 
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FundNoMore said:
Found this today on Bob Gray Sr's X page. With Dave and Brenda Hyles at Immanuel Baptist Church (Greg "hidden video camera" Neal's church) in Jacksonville, Fl which is the new host for Dave's Fallen in Grace sham, now called Galatians 6:1. Bob is a full bore supporter and reveals he has no spiritual discernment or common sense in supporting this. I'm beginning to wonder if Bob is even saved. May they stand together before God.View attachment 6373
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Is that a drum set I see on the platform!?!?
 
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Why a cymbal and no drums. Bet you would see them from a different angle.
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I see a single cymbal on a stand, along with what appears to be a couple of other percussion instruments like woodblocks. There isn't a drum kit in view. They're probably orchestral--an orchestra might use a suspended cymbal on its own.
 
The Fort Worth Star Telegram article of February 21, 2022 asked the question, "Created for mobs and the mafia, could this law apply in a church sexual abuse case?"

As of March 4, 2022, the United States Court of Appeals decided that the answer to that question was "NO" - at least not in this particular case - Joy Ryder's complaint against David Hyles, Hyles-Anderson College, and First Baptist Church of Hammond was dismissed by the court:

"Here, the complaint focuses entirely on allegations of personal injury—horrific allegations by any measure. The nature of the alleged personal injuries does not, however, transform them into injuries to any business or property. . . .Ryder and Lee contend that the Enterprise misappropriated their funds by using them to fund a sham investigation in the 2010s. But nowhere does their complaint describe how tithes or tuition paid in the 1970s could plausibly have been used to fund a phony investigation decades later. So here Ryder and Lee’s allegations are too 'speculative and amorphous' to permit their RICO claim to proceed. . . .What is alleged here is tragic beyond words. But we are constrained by the limitations Congress established in § 1964(c). Because Ryder and Lee have not plausibly alleged any injury to business or property within the meaning of the statute, we are left to AFFIRM AS MODIFIED."

http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-b.../C:21-2590:J:Scudder:aut:T:fnOp:N:2841919:S:0

The decision stated that "The requirement that civil RICO plaintiffs allege an injury to 'business or property' serves to preclude recovery for personal injuries and the pecuniary losses incurred therefrom. . . . when the alleged injuries 'are plainly derivative' of personal injuries, they 'reflect personal injuries which are not compensable under RICO.'”
 
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Jo said:
Fort Worth Star Telegram

Attorneys say RICO applies to IFB

Created for mobs and the mafia, could this law apply in a church sexual abuse case? By Kaley Johnson Updated February 21, 2022 3:27 PM|

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article258464478.html#storylink=cpy
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In the case of Robert Morris, his case reaches back over 20 years. In other cases, people have gone public and law enforcement can do nothing. I know the frustration.

I remember reading volumes of things on David Hyles and thinking, "This guy should be in prison."
 
illinoisguy said:
The Fort Worth Star Telegram article of February 21, 2022 asked the question, "Created for mobs and the mafia, could this law apply in a church sexual abuse case?"

As of March 4, 2022, the United States Court of Appeals decided that the answer to that question was "NO" - at least not in this particular case - Joy Ryder's complaint against David Hyles, Hyles-Anderson College, and First Baptist Church of Hammond was dismissed by the court:

"Here, the complaint focuses entirely on allegations of personal injury—horrific allegations by any measure. The nature of the alleged personal injuries does not, however, transform them into injuries to any business or property. . . .Ryder and Lee contend that the Enterprise misappropriated their funds by using them to fund a sham investigation in the 2010s. But nowhere does their complaint describe how tithes or tuition paid in the 1970s could plausibly have been used to fund a phony investigation decades later. So here Ryder and Lee’s allegations are too 'speculative and amorphous' to permit their RICO claim to proceed. . . .What is alleged here is tragic beyond words. But we are constrained by the limitations Congress established in § 1964(c). Because Ryder and Lee have not plausibly alleged any injury to business or property within the meaning of the statute, we are left to AFFIRM AS MODIFIED."

http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-b.../C:21-2590:J:Scudder:aut:T:fnOp:N:2841919:S:0

The decision stated that "The requirement that civil RICO plaintiffs allege an injury to 'business or property' serves to preclude recovery for personal injuries and the pecuniary losses incurred therefrom. . . . when the alleged injuries 'are plainly derivative' of personal injuries, they 'reflect personal injuries which are not compensable under RICO.'”
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Interesting.

At least Joy had her day in court.
 
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In the case of Robert Morris, his case reaches back over 20 years. In other cases, people have gone public and law enforcement can do nothing. I know the frustration.

I remember reading volumes of things on David Hyles and thinking, "This guy should be in prison."
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I watched a docuseries (Burden of Guilt) yesterday that reminded me of the death of Brenda Stevens' son.

In the series, a baby's stepfather was left alone with the four month old, Matthew Golder. When the mother came home from the laundromat, Matthew was rushed to the hospital where he died. They tried to blame Matthew's death on their 2 year old daughter.
 
Jo said:
I watched a docuseries (Burden of Guilt) yesterday that reminded me of the death of Brenda Stevens' son.

In the series, a baby's stepfather was left alone with the four month old, Matthew Golder. When the mother came home from the laundromat, Matthew was rushed to the hospital where he died. They tried to blame Matthew's death on their 2 year old daughter.
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It totally amazes me that David Hyles was never charged with that baby's death.
 
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