Blast From The Past - BLOOD

[T-Bone]

Don't forget. Every little drop of blood on the cross, nails, ground ... all disappeared as some point and is now stored in heaven. Some folks believe this stuff, others don't.

Stored for what purpose?  Who told you this?  Are you saying there is big jar up in heaven with Jesus' blood in it?  Really?

Um ... when Shiloh started that subject regarding the Blood of Jesus I did some reading, asking questions, and participation with the threads under one of my past IDs, and I learned that some believe (and I believe Shiloh agreed to this belief as well) that the blood was transported to heaven to be used on a heavenly altar. There is a container in heaven where the Blood can be taken to this altar and be applied to take away our sins. A search on Google brings up some articles and the like about it.

A more basic approach (and widely accepted) is the single idea that the sacrifice for sin was conducted in heaven and not on the cross. They take parts of Hebrews very literal, and assume that when Jesus told Mary not to touch Him that somehow that proves the doctrine.

I am sure someone on this forum believes this to some degree - maybe they can enlighten us.

They may believe this but it would make them heretics...to state what you have stated here would negate the cross altogether.  And to make the claim about the blood being transported and stored in heaven to be continually poured on the mercy seat is to deny the "it is finished" and "once and for all" statements of the Scripture.  Not only that it is to speak in a way that the Scripture does not...that would make one a false teacher and one adding to the Scripture.

 

[bgwilkinson]

God bless the Baptist Catholics.

 

[brianb]

Don't forget. Every little drop of blood on the cross, nails, ground ... all disappeared as some point and is now stored in heaven. Some folks believe this stuff, others don't.

Stored for what purpose?  Who told you this?  Are you saying there is big jar up in heaven with Jesus' blood in it?  Really?

Um ... when Shiloh started that subject regarding the Blood of Jesus I did some reading, asking questions, and participation with the threads under one of my past IDs, and I learned that some believe (and I believe Shiloh agreed to this belief as well) that the blood was transported to heaven to be used on a heavenly altar. There is a container in heaven where the Blood can be taken to this altar and be applied to take away our sins. A search on Google brings up some articles and the like about it.

A more basic approach (and widely accepted) is the single idea that the sacrifice for sin was conducted in heaven and not on the cross. They take parts of Hebrews very literal, and assume that when Jesus told Mary not to touch Him that somehow that proves the doctrine.

I am sure someone on this forum believes this to some degree - maybe they can enlighten us.

They may believe this but it would make them heretics...to state what you have stated here would negate the cross altogether.  And to make the claim about the blood being transported and stored in heaven to be continually poured on the mercy seat is to deny the "it is finished" and "once and for all" statements of the Scripture.  Not only that it is to speak in a way that the Scripture does not...that would make one a false teacher and one adding to the Scripture.

But someone might say - Why is there still a temple with the ark of the covenant in heaven as Revelation 11:19? Didn't God say in Exodus that ark of the covenant on earth was a copy of what was in heaven? Not every one who believes the blood is in heaven believes that it is continually poured on the mercy seat.  Many would agree with you that it was once for all. I'm not saying you are wrong just that you need to come up with an answer if you want to change their mind. Rev 11:19 doesn't say there was blood on the mercy seat but it still begs the question what is the purpose of the ark of the testament? Look at the passages in Revelation that speak of the ark of the covenant in heaven which has the mercy seat and come back with an answer. Otherwise it's just your opinion against theirs.

 

[T-Bone]

Don't forget. Every little drop of blood on the cross, nails, ground ... all disappeared as some point and is now stored in heaven. Some folks believe this stuff, others don't.

Stored for what purpose?  Who told you this?  Are you saying there is big jar up in heaven with Jesus' blood in it?  Really?

Um ... when Shiloh started that subject regarding the Blood of Jesus I did some reading, asking questions, and participation with the threads under one of my past IDs, and I learned that some believe (and I believe Shiloh agreed to this belief as well) that the blood was transported to heaven to be used on a heavenly altar. There is a container in heaven where the Blood can be taken to this altar and be applied to take away our sins. A search on Google brings up some articles and the like about it.

A more basic approach (and widely accepted) is the single idea that the sacrifice for sin was conducted in heaven and not on the cross. They take parts of Hebrews very literal, and assume that when Jesus told Mary not to touch Him that somehow that proves the doctrine.

I am sure someone on this forum believes this to some degree - maybe they can enlighten us.

They may believe this but it would make them heretics...to state what you have stated here would negate the cross altogether.  And to make the claim about the blood being transported and stored in heaven to be continually poured on the mercy seat is to deny the "it is finished" and "once and for all" statements of the Scripture.  Not only that it is to speak in a way that the Scripture does not...that would make one a false teacher and one adding to the Scripture.

But someone might say - Why is there still a temple with the ark of the covenant in heaven as Revelation 11:19? Didn't God say in Exodus that ark of the covenant on earth was a copy of what was in heaven? Not every one who believes the blood is in heaven believes that it is continually poured on the mercy seat.  Many would agree with you that it was once for all. I'm not saying you are wrong just that you need to come up with an answer if you want to change their mind. Rev 11:19 doesn't say there was blood on the mercy seat but it still begs the question what is the purpose of the ark of the testament? Look at the passages in Revelation that speak of the ark of the covenant in heaven which has the mercy seat and come back with an answer. Otherwise it's just your opinion against theirs.

I guess I would have to say about Rev 11:19, amen!  But it has nothing to do with blood in heaven..no where in the Scripture does it teach such.  It is only conjecture with no biblical proof or even teaching about Christ's blood being carried to heaven.  Jesus came here to give his life...He did so on Calvary...His blood was spilled on the last altar that man would ever need...His sacrifice on Calvary was accepted by the Father.  Anything else is the realm of religious superstition and extra biblical teachings.  No where does the Scripture teach that Jesus' blood was carried to heaven...BTW who carried it there and what would have been the purpose for it being carried there?  I trust Him and His words..."it is finished"...period.

 

[brianb]

I found this onlne.
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/1888.htm

It's pretty lengthy but here's an interesting quote from Spurgeon. I wonder if this was an issue in his day.

"What!" say you, "the blood of Jesus in heaven?" Yes. The earthly sanctuary, we are told, was purified with the blood of bulls and of goats, "but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."(Hebrews 9:23) When Jesus entered once for all into the holy place, he entered by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption for us: so saith the apostle in the ninth chapter of this epistle.

 

[bgwilkinson]

I found this onlne.
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/1888.htm

It's pretty lengthy but here's an interesting quote from Spurgeon. I wonder if this was an issue in his day.

"What!" say you, "the blood of Jesus in heaven?" Yes. The earthly sanctuary, we are told, was purified with the blood of bulls and of goats, "but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."(Hebrews 9:23) When Jesus entered once for all into the holy place, he entered by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption for us: so saith the apostle in the ninth chapter of this epistle.

This is generally what Baptists believed since the Reformation.

I. FIRST, WHAT IS IT? What is this "blood of sprinkling?" In a few words, "the blood of sprinkling" represents the pains, the sufferings, the humiliation, and the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, which he endured on the behalf of guilty man. When we speak of the blood, we wish not to be understood as referring solely or mainly to the literal material blood which flowed from the wounds of Jesus. We believe in the literal fact of his shedding his blood; but when we speak of his cross and blood we mean those sufferings and that death of our Lord Jesus Christ by which he magnified the law of God; we mean what Isaiah intended when he said, "He shall make his soul an offering for sin;" we mean all the griefs which Jesus vicariously endured on our behalf at Gethsemane, and Gabbatha, and Golgotha, and specially his yielding up his life upon the tree of scorn and doom. "The chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed." "Without shedding of blood there is no remission;" and the shedding of blood intended is the death of Jesus, the Son of God.

 

[T-Bone]

I found this onlne.
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/1888.htm

It's pretty lengthy but here's an interesting quote from Spurgeon. I wonder if this was an issue in his day.

"What!" say you, "the blood of Jesus in heaven?" Yes. The earthly sanctuary, we are told, was purified with the blood of bulls and of goats, "but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."(Hebrews 9:23) When Jesus entered once for all into the holy place, he entered by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption for us: so saith the apostle in the ninth chapter of this epistle.

This is generly what Baptists believed since the Reformation.

I. FIRST, WHAT IS IT? What is this "blood of sprinkling?" In a few words, "the blood of sprinkling" represents the pains, the sufferings, the humiliation, and the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, which he endured on the behalf of guilty man. When we speak of the blood, we wish not to be understood as referring solely or mainly to the literal material blood which flowed from the wounds of Jesus. We believe in the literal fact of his shedding his blood; but when we speak of his cross and blood we mean those sufferings and that death of our Lord Jesus Christ by which he magnified the law of God; we mean what Isaiah intended when he said, "He shall make his soul an offering for sin;" we mean all the griefs which Jesus vicariously endured on our behalf at Gethsemane, and Gabbatha, and Golgotha, and specially his yielding up his life upon the tree of scorn and doom. "The chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed." "Without shedding of blood there is no remission;" and the shedding of blood intended is the death of Jesus, the Son of God.

Amen & Amen!

 

[bgwilkinson]

Oh, and Bro. Hyles bought into the magic blood or everlasting blood theory in the 90's. One whole night of Pastors' School 1996 was devoted to the blood theory. He didn't call it that but it was Ian Paisleys magic blood theory. Ian Paisley preached at FBC in the 60's.