Bibles and booze mix Sunday mornings

There are no churches on Perdido Key. So where should they meet? I'd rather have church in an unconventional location than not be able to have church at all.

And this is a UMC church, so it is of course going to be liberal by IFB standards.
 
Izdaari said:
There are no churches on Perdido Key. So where should they meet? I'd rather have church in an unconventional location than not be able to have church at all.

And this is a UMC church, so it is of course going to be liberal by IFB standards.
Click to expand...
I guess I would have to actually listen to what is being preached but it isn't the job of the church to make people feel comfortable.  Christ didn't call men and women to add Jesus to their lives but to change their lives.  I am beyond calling drinking alcohol a sin but there are some things that go beyond what I can comprehend. 
 
Izdaari said:
There are no churches on Perdido Key. So where should they meet? I'd rather have church in an unconventional location than not be able to have church at all.
Click to expand...

But we are supposed to flee from the appearance of evil.  ::)  :P

[quote author=Izdaari]And this is a UMC church anything but an IFB church, so it is of course going to be liberal by IFB standards.[/quote]

Fixed.  ;)
 
rsc2a said:
Izdaari said:
There are no churches on Perdido Key. So where should they meet? I'd rather have church in an unconventional location than not be able to have church at all.
Click to expand...

But we are supposed to flee from the appearance of evil.  ::)  :P

[quote author=Izdaari]And this is a UMC church anything but an IFB church, so it is of course going to be liberal by IFB standards.
Click to expand...

Fixed.  ;)
[/quote]
"Alcohol is deadly in this culture."  I'm sorry.  I shouldn't have quoted a legalistic Independent Fundamental Baptist like John Piper!  What was I thinking of?  The problem isn't my squeamishness concerning drinking alcohol (not saying it is a sin), the problem is the glorification of alcohol by some Christians with the attitude that the world be damned if they think they can even mention the dangers associated with it.
John Piper - Is it OK to drink alcohol?
 
And the problem with those who rant and rave about alcohol (and perhaps people that have church in pubs....) is that they are functionally gnostic in thinking.

So let's play a game:

Which did Paul speak of more often ever: the danger of having a glass of wine or the dangers of gnosticism? From my reading of Scripture, one he spoke of not at all and another was a MAJOR focus of his? Care to guess?
 
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
 
Izdaari said:
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
Click to expand...
I had no intention of quoting him out of context or I wouldn't have posted the video.  I was trying to show that good men should have a balanced view on alcohol and the dangers involved with it.  Some people seem to think that makes them "gnostics."
 
biscuit1953 said:
Izdaari said:
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
Click to expand...
I had no intention of quoting him out of context or I wouldn't have posted the video.  I was trying to show that good men should have a balanced view on alcohol and the dangers involved with it.  Some people seem to think that makes them "gnostics."
Click to expand...

Piper does seem to have a balanced view on it, and he seems like a pleasant fellow. He explains why he personally is a teetotaler, and for him it sounds like the right choice... but he doesn't advocate that everyone should make the same choice. I don't think he's a gnostic.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Izdaari said:
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
Click to expand...
I had no intention of quoting him out of context or I wouldn't have posted the video.  I was trying to show that good men should have a balanced view on alcohol and the dangers involved with it.  Some people seem to think that makes them "gnostics."
Click to expand...

I underlined the relevant word there.

You'll notice that Izzy referred to Piper's personal choice.
 
rsc2a said:
biscuit1953 said:
Izdaari said:
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
Click to expand...
I had no intention of quoting him out of context or I wouldn't have posted the video.  I was trying to show that good men should have a balanced view on alcohol and the dangers involved with it.  Some people seem to think that makes them "gnostics."
Click to expand...

I underlined the relevant word there.

You'll notice that Izzy referred to Piper's personal choice.
Click to expand...
And I agree with her.
 
biscuit1953 said:
rsc2a said:
biscuit1953 said:
Izdaari said:
I don't disagree with Piper's full comments in the video. He makes good sense. But I think you are wrong to quote him out of context. The snippet you quoted gives the wrong impression of his much more nuanced view on the subject.
Click to expand...
I had no intention of quoting him out of context or I wouldn't have posted the video.  I was trying to show that good men should have a balanced view on alcohol and the dangers involved with it.  Some people seem to think that makes them "gnostics."
Click to expand...

I underlined the relevant word there.

You'll notice that Izzy referred to Piper's personal choice.
Click to expand...
And I agree with her.
Click to expand...

Well, that's all right then! Anybody who agrees with me is right.  :-*
 
[quote author=Izdaari]Well, that's all right then! Anybody who agrees with me is right.  :-*[/quote]

Reminds me of a conversation my wife had in one of her classes:

Wife: <turns in test>
Professor: How many do you think you got right?
Wife: All of them.
Professor: You think all of them are right?
Wife: Yes. If I thought one was wrong, I would have put a different answer.
 
rsc2a said:
So let's play a game:

Which did Paul speak of more often ever: the danger of having a glass of wine or the dangers of gnosticism? From my reading of Scripture, one he spoke of not at all and another was a MAJOR focus of his? Care to guess?
Click to expand...

Better, IMO, what did Jesus do?  He drank wine.  They called him a drunkard.  He didn't care.  In fact, he mentioned their allegations to demonstrate that all they care about is outward appearances. 

Jesus didn't "woe" people for drinking, but he "woed" people for legalism. 

Jesus deliberately healed on the Sabbath to tweak the Pharisees because He knew what their legalist response would be. 

I'm pretty sure that if you distilled the gospels into what Jesus preached against, it would be mostly against legalism and the obsession with the outward appearance of righteousness. 

 
This is probably the most arrogant statement in the article.

If Jesus returned to Earth, he'd probably kick back at the Flora-Bama, said Jack de Jarnette, a founding pastor of the church.

 
brianb said:
This is probably the most arrogant statement in the article.

If Jesus returned to Earth, he'd probably kick back at the Flora-Bama, said Jack de Jarnette, a founding pastor of the church.
Click to expand...

It might be arrogant. But it might also be true.
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=Izdaari]Well, that's all right then! Anybody who agrees with me is right.  :-*
Click to expand...

Reminds me of a conversation my wife had in one of her classes:

Wife: <turns in test>
Professor: How many do you think you got right?
Wife: All of them.
Professor: You think all of them are right?
Wife: Yes. If I thought one was wrong, I would have put a different answer.
[/quote]

Exactly so! If I find out I'm wrong about anything I change my position. Kind of like Wikipedia, except less democratic.
 
Does this church believe anything other than what they put on their website?
http://pbumc.net/227893

There's nothing there about the Bible, or the deity of Christ, virgin birth, resurrection, literal second coming - all those things we would consider plain truths.
 
Izdaari said:
brianb said:
This is probably the most arrogant statement in the article.

If Jesus returned to Earth, he'd probably kick back at the Flora-Bama, said Jack de Jarnette, a founding pastor of the church.
Click to expand...

It might be arrogant. But it might also be true.
Click to expand...

Even if He did would any one recognize him assuming he veils his glory? He would have to perform miracles. I don't think he'd just be kicking back.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top