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On another thread someone posted a sermon from Youth Conference by Eddie Lapina.  At the beginning of the video he says that there is enough talent in the room to write enough "Baptist music" to take care of us for the next generation.  On the other thread someone asked the question "What is Baptist music?" 

I think this is one area in which we as IFB have been inconsistent.  Our hymn books are filled with music not written by Baptist.  Some of the greatest hymns of the faith were not written by Baptist.  In our IFB churches we sing hymns EVERY WEEK that were not written by Baptist. Yes, the hymns are Biblically and doctrinally sound, yet not written by Baptist.

I love the old hymns of the faith.  I love singing them.  While I am singing them I am not looking at the name of the writer and Googling it to see if he/she was a Baptist.  I am thinking about the words.  I am enjoying the melody.  Yet, if the song leader at church decided to lead in a new chorus that was not in the hymnal, some IFB would think the church had gone completely liberal!  We would Google the name of the writer and if he/she had any charismatic or new evangelical background we would refuse to sing.  Folks, it is a double standard!!

Bill Gaiter is a great example.  Bill and Gloria Gather are not Baptist.  The church in which I grew up in the '70s did not allow anyone singing special music to sing any song written by the Gaithers.  Now, our Baptist hymnals are filled with songs written by the Gaithers.  Some of the most doctrinally sound songs that bless us in great ways were written by the Gaithers.  So, were we wrong in the '70s as IFB not to sing Gaither's songs, or are we as IFB wrong today for singing them?  Again, it's a double standard!!

I'm not talking about IFB allowing "worldly" music into the church.  I'm not talking about "rocking" a song up so that you think you are at a worldly concert.  I'm not talking about the "empty lyric" songs that just make you feel good.  Any song in our hymnal can be "rocked" up if an individual or group wants to do it.  I'm talking about doctrinally sound music being sung in a God honoring way whether or not it was written by an IFB who crosses their "Ts" and dots their "Is" just like we do.

Eddie would have been better saying, "God can use some of you in the room today to write good Biblically based God honoring songs that we will be singing in our IFB churches generations from now". 

We bark out against Southern Gospel, yet a great number of songs that our IFB groups sing are Southern Gospel songs written by Southern Gospel artist.  Yes, keep the world out of the church.  Yes, keep the world's beat, styles, and doctrine out of the church.  But let's be careful about our musical double standards.
 
Those hymns AREN'T doctrinally sound at all....

And I mean Fanny and Friends, not Gaither.

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IFB make much noise about their preferences in the music they use. They often draw an invisible line in the sand called Godly music, as if anyone really understands what all the attributes of Godly music might be. But they spend very little time in true congregational Church worship of the King of Kings. Traditions, preferences, style preferences & just doing what they've always done with either their preference of first & last verse or all the verses or just singing songs because that's the time to sing a song or a hymn overshadowed............worship.

When is the last time you fell under conviction during a song service?

Ps. 29:2, 66:4, 95:6, 99:5.
 
fishinnut said:
When is the last time you fell under conviction during a song service?
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Yesterday.

Singing "Marching to Zion".
 
RAIDER said:
On another thread someone posted a sermon from Youth Conference by Eddie Lapina.  At the beginning of the video he says that there is enough talent in the room to write enough "Baptist music" to take care of us for the next generation.  On the other thread someone asked the question "What is Baptist music?" 

I think this is one area in which we as IFB have been inconsistent.  Our hymn books are filled with music not written by Baptist.  Some of the greatest hymns of the faith were not written by Baptist.  In our IFB churches we sing hymns EVERY WEEK that were not written by Baptist. Yes, the hymns are Biblically and doctrinally sound, yet not written by Baptist.

I love the old hymns of the faith.  I love singing them.  While I am singing them I am not looking at the name of the writer and Googling it to see if he/she was a Baptist.  I am thinking about the words.  I am enjoying the melody.  Yet, if the song leader at church decided to lead in a new chorus that was not in the hymnal, some IFB would think the church had gone completely liberal!  We would Google the name of the writer and if he/she had any charismatic or new evangelical background we would refuse to sing.  Folks, it is a double standard!!

Bill Gaiter is a great example.  Bill and Gloria Gather are not Baptist.  The church in which I grew up in the '70s did not allow anyone singing special music to sing any song written by the Gaithers.  Now, our Baptist hymnals are filled with songs written by the Gaithers.  Some of the most doctrinally sound songs that bless us in great ways were written by the Gaithers.  So, were we wrong in the '70s as IFB not to sing Gaither's songs, or are we as IFB wrong today for singing them?  Again, it's a double standard!!

I'm not talking about IFB allowing "worldly" music into the church.  I'm not talking about "rocking" a song up so that you think you are at a worldly concert.  I'm not talking about the "empty lyric" songs that just make you feel good.  Any song in our hymnal can be "rocked" up if an individual or group wants to do it.  I'm talking about doctrinally sound music being sung in a God honoring way whether or not it was written by an IFB who crosses their "Ts" and dots their "Is" just like we do.

Eddie would have been better saying, "God can use some of you in the room today to write good Biblically based God honoring songs that we will be singing in our IFB churches generations from now". 

We bark out against Southern Gospel, yet a great number of songs that our IFB groups sing are Southern Gospel songs written by Southern Gospel artist.  Yes, keep the world out of the church.  Yes, keep the world's beat, styles, and doctrine out of the church.  But let's be careful about our musical double standards.
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Personally I am more interested in the content of the song, how it's performed and if the song glorifies God.

We are not all going to agree on what's God honoring and what is not. We all have our own preference in music and our own opinion of what is God honoring. I assume we would all agree Black Sabbath or AC/DC performing a few hymns back in the day or any of the modern Black Metal bands would not meet the test. I would guess from there we will not find much common ground.

It's up to each church and each individual to make that distinction.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqPW_wHWrBY
 
Y'all have your fun fussing about your preferences.........

Here is one of mine (I was there when he sang this)........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVxk772eY0
 
Baptist City Holdout said:
Whoever asked that question on the other thread about what is Baptist music is no doubt humbled that he inspired a new thread to be born.
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On the FFF, little is much when a Hacker is in it!
 
Twisted said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqPW_wHWrBY
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This song is sacred to me, because of the reaction it elicits.
I am careful to never listen to it unless I'm prepared .

When my heart grows cold, I sing it.

There are only a few that do this for me, and I hold them very dear.

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Baptist City Holdout said:
RAIDER said:
Baptist City Holdout said:
Whoever asked that question on the other thread about what is Baptist music is no doubt humbled that he inspired a new thread to be born.
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On the FFF, little is much when a Hacker is in it!
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They ought to write a song about that!
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Little is much
When a HACker's in it,
He may have no wealth or fame
But he'll make mountains out of molehills
Cuz his theology is lame...

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fishinnut said:
Y'all have your fun fussing about your preferences.........

Here is one of mine (I was there when he sang this)........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVxk772eY0
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Here is an example of the OP.  I would not attend a concert of this fellow.  I don not care for the "rock/country concert appearance".  I do not like the constant repeating in the second half of the song.  I do not like the gradual elevation of the instruments until it sounds like a rock/new country song.

On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with the lyrics.  I could sing this as a congregational chorus on Sunday minus all of the above additions and be blessed.  I know IFB who would research the song writer and performer and throw an absolute fit because it was used in their service.  It is a double standard! 
 
RAIDER said:
fishinnut said:
Y'all have your fun fussing about your preferences.........

Here is one of mine (I was there when he sang this)........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVxk772eY0
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Here is an example of the OP.  I would not attend a concert of this fellow.  I don not care for the "rock/country concert appearance".  I do not like the constant repeating in the second half of the song.  I do not like the gradual elevation of the instruments until it sounds like a rock/new country song.

On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with the lyrics.  I could sing this as a congregational chorus on Sunday minus all of the above additions and be blessed.  I know IFB who would research the song writer and performer and throw an absolute fit because it was used in their service.  It is a double standard!
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Preferences......

I had a friend who once said, "I like the songs on the CCM stations but I don't want to hear them at church."

BTW.....you referred to "country" a couple of times.....his country is England.
 
fishinnut said:
RAIDER said:
fishinnut said:
Y'all have your fun fussing about your preferences.........

Here is one of mine (I was there when he sang this)........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVxk772eY0
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Here is an example of the OP.  I would not attend a concert of this fellow.  I don not care for the "rock/country concert appearance".  I do not like the constant repeating in the second half of the song.  I do not like the gradual elevation of the instruments until it sounds like a rock/new country song.

On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with the lyrics.  I could sing this as a congregational chorus on Sunday minus all of the above additions and be blessed.  I know IFB who would research the song writer and performer and throw an absolute fit because it was used in their service.  It is a double standard!
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Preferences......

I had a friend who once said, "I like the songs on the CCM stations but I don't want to hear them at church."

BTW.....you referred to "country" a couple of times.....his country is England.
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Some call it preferences; some call it convictions.  The thread is more about the song itself.
 
fishinnut said:
Twisted said:
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It's been a while since I've hear this but I love that tune & it's message.
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Not a fan of this song; it presents a false concept of being a witness for Christ.  I have had people come in tears to me, concerned that they weren't "doing enough" for God to save their loved ones - this was after listening to songs like this, and preaching of "If you have lost loved ones, maybe God is waiting until you serious about soul-winning!".

The truth of the matter is that we don't "save" people - our ONLY job is to bear witness to the truth; we are not to manipulate people or play mind games with them.  The Holy Spirit must convict them of sin, not us.  Furthermore, the lost person has the freedom to accept or reject Christ; trying to manipulate people into saying prayers is a very real evil.

I don't pray for God to save my loved ones; He is willing to save. I pray that He will allow them to hear the gospel another time, and the that Holy Spirit will convict them of the truth, but God is not going to over-ride a person's right to accept or reject Him.

I'm all for being a witness -- but I'm opposed to reward people who "get the most saved"; that perverts the whole thing into a salesmanship contest.
 
RAIDER said:
On another thread someone posted a sermon from Youth Conference by Eddie Lapina.  At the beginning of the video he says that there is enough talent in the room to write enough "Baptist music" to take care of us for the next generation.  On the other thread someone asked the question "What is Baptist music?" 

I think this is one area in which we as IFB have been inconsistent.  Our hymn books are filled with music not written by Baptist.  Some of the greatest hymns of the faith were not written by Baptist.  In our IFB churches we sing hymns EVERY WEEK that were not written by Baptist. Yes, the hymns are Biblically and doctrinally sound, yet not written by Baptist.

I love the old hymns of the faith.  I love singing them.  While I am singing them I am not looking at the name of the writer and Googling it to see if he/she was a Baptist.  I am thinking about the words.  I am enjoying the melody.  Yet, if the song leader at church decided to lead in a new chorus that was not in the hymnal, some IFB would think the church had gone completely liberal!  We would Google the name of the writer and if he/she had any charismatic or new evangelical background we would refuse to sing.  Folks, it is a double standard!!

Bill Gaiter is a great example.  Bill and Gloria Gather are not Baptist.  The church in which I grew up in the '70s did not allow anyone singing special music to sing any song written by the Gaithers.  Now, our Baptist hymnals are filled with songs written by the Gaithers.  Some of the most doctrinally sound songs that bless us in great ways were written by the Gaithers.  So, were we wrong in the '70s as IFB not to sing Gaither's songs, or are we as IFB wrong today for singing them?  Again, it's a double standard!!

I'm not talking about IFB allowing "worldly" music into the church.  I'm not talking about "rocking" a song up so that you think you are at a worldly concert.  I'm not talking about the "empty lyric" songs that just make you feel good.  Any song in our hymnal can be "rocked" up if an individual or group wants to do it.  I'm talking about doctrinally sound music being sung in a God honoring way whether or not it was written by an IFB who crosses their "Ts" and dots their "Is" just like we do.

Eddie would have been better saying, "God can use some of you in the room today to write good Biblically based God honoring songs that we will be singing in our IFB churches generations from now". 

We bark out against Southern Gospel, yet a great number of songs that our IFB groups sing are Southern Gospel songs written by Southern Gospel artist.  Yes, keep the world out of the church.  Yes, keep the world's beat, styles, and doctrine out of the church.  But let's be careful about our musical double standards.
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Good post and interesting points.

Like many on here, I've been around a while, and have seen much.

I will say up front that I am very conservative regarding music.

I fear that much of the music confusion stems from churches determining to "not be like the world" be staying 20-30 years behind the world INSTEAD of digging into the Scriptures and determining to stay near God.

When I was a child in church, they preached against the popular singers of the time, but they were OK with music from 20-30 years before that.  Now, I hear some of the most spiritual teens in the church listening to those groups that were preached against back then while the preaching is against the current Christian rap or more extreme CCM examples.  This is the fruit of following the world at a distance.

Music is certainly a hot button today. Preach against a man's favorite music, and he'll come unglued. Hint to a  family that certain music is worldly, and they get very defensive.

Certainly, the Scripture tells us to be thinking about (if not singing) music - we are to speak to one another is psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.  Music is to glorify God; possibly at the same time to encourage others (I mean, we can encourage others at the same time as we glorify God).  I'm not a fan of songs that are ALL about me.  A musical  testimony must have a little about me - "I was lost in sin, but Jesus took me in - He's a wonderful Savior!" - is the kind of thing I mean.  I'm not a fan of preaching through song; preaching should be done through preaching.  "How long has it been?" is a preaching song. I'm not saying it's wrong - it just isn't my preference for music.

Music should be doctrinally sound - a lot of people are slack on this, assuming that all older hymns are automatically doctrinally correct.  The song "Majesty" talks about the heretical doctrine "kingdom authority" and is not allowed at our church - it's not our doctrine.

Rock music is inherently worldly - it's about the beat, it's about sex; it's about rebellion, and the MASTERS of the art all admit it - what the Bible calls it "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" - such things are not of the Father.  I don't understand why Christians argue this point.

So, even good words sung to rock music is wrong, but is certainly becoming common today.
 
This is my kind of church music, calling out all the self appointed self righteousness arbiters giving their personal opinions on music all the while claiming they are speaking in the place of God himself.

https://youtu.be/wM7a2Zrj3dU
 
I have  written three  songs. 

I'm Baptist.

Only one has been recorded......and by Baptists, too. 

I guess that makes my songs Baptist songs! 
 
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