Are the numerous mass shootings an evidence of America's moral decline?

Izdaari said:
Point of historical fact:

Roe v. Wade came down from the Supremes in 1973.
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People seem to be quite at liberty with dates when it suits their purpose, aren't they? 

Clinton keeps getting blamed for a 1993 directive banning weapons on military installations, when in fact the directive came down from the DoD in 1992 under George H.W.'s administration.  The Department of the Army just didn't implement that directive until '93 after the administration had changed hands.

BTW, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton.
 
FreeToBeMe said:
Izdaari said:
Point of historical fact:

Roe v. Wade came down from the Supremes in 1973.
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People seem to be quite at liberty with dates when it suits their purpose, aren't they? 

Clinton keeps getting blamed for a 1993 directive banning weapons on military installations, when in fact the directive came down from the DoD in 1992 under George H.W.'s administration.  The Department of the Army just didn't implement that directive until '93 after the administration had changed hands.

BTW, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton.
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I don't care who is to blame.  It's still stupid. 
 
[quote author=The Rogue Tomato]I don't care who is to blame.  It's still stupid. [/quote]

You know what else is stupid?

Your face.


;) :D
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
I know you are but what am I?
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The word of the day is 'obtuse'.


"Obtuse"

<runs away screaming loudly>
 
FreeToBeMe said:
Izdaari said:
Point of historical fact:

Roe v. Wade came down from the Supremes in 1973.
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People seem to be quite at liberty with dates when it suits their purpose, aren't they? 

Clinton keeps getting blamed for a 1993 directive banning weapons on military installations, when in fact the directive came down from the DoD in 1992 under George H.W.'s administration.  The Department of the Army just didn't implement that directive until '93 after the administration had changed hands.

BTW, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton.
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I don't have a purpose WRT to the abortion issue. I am as thorough a mugwump on that as you will probably ever find.
 
4everfsu said:
Please take my statements as a whole. The foundation for mass killing was started in the 1960 because when killing an unborn child is the law of the land, how do you expect anyone raised after 1960 to value life, born or unborn. Thus killing multiple people is nothing now to the public other then those who lose loved ones.
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Andrew Kehoe and Howard Unruh respected life?
 
Jehanne La Pucelle said:
ALAYMAN said:
I'm only 44 years old, but in my short lifetime it seems the moral fabric of America has undergone monumental changes.  Pot is now good.  Gay is okay, even better than okay.  Shacking up is the standard now.  Twerking, jerking, going birzerking....absolute insanity and constant shifting sands with no moral anchor.  The fruit of postmodern relativistic thought.  So, do you think that these mass shootings are fruit from a generation of nihilists, rationalists, and skeptics that is coming to the natural conclusion that life is ultimately meaningless, so it don't matter if I vent my rage and take other folk out with me?
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I don't know if this has been posted but here is an interesting article I came across.

"Navy Yard shooter was on Antidepressant Trazodone—How many more drug induced shootings until lawmakers wake up?"

By Kelly Patricia O’Meara
September 18, 2013

It took less than 48 hours to learn that Washington Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, is another in a long line of psychiatric drug-induced perpetrators.

The New York Times has reported that while in Providence Rhode Island on August 23, 2013, and again, five days later, in Washington, D.C., Alexis had been prescribed Trazodone, an antidepressant that carries an FDA black box warning for suicide, and is documented to cause mania and violent behavior.

Now, twelve innocent people (plus the shooter) are dead at the Washington Navy Yard.  Yes, these senseless deaths are sad, tragic, and incomprehensible. And it is time to point the finger at those who are responsible.

Continues - 

http://www.cchrint.org/2013/09/18/navy-yard-shooter-was-on-antidepressant-trazodone/
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My understanding is that the Black Box warning is more for the first few days or weeks you take the drug. At least, that is what my Doctor told me. So - the question really is how long was this dude on the drugs .... if he just started them, well, that would be a case for sure.
 
Timothy said:
My understanding is that the Black Box warning is more for the first few days or weeks you take the drug. At least, that is what my Doctor told me. So - the question really is how long was this dude on the drugs .... if he just started them, well, that would be a case for sure.
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Trazadone?  Doctors prescribe it freely as a sleep aid because it makes you drowsy.  A few years ago my doctor wrote a script for it for me when I was having trouble sleeping, but I couldn't tolerate it.  I was sleepy all day the next day even on a tiny dose. 

I must assume he was on it for some time, otherwise he'd be too sleepy to shoot people. 

As an aside, Trazedone can have a Viagra-like effect on some people.  There's even a four-hour warning like Viagra.
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Timothy said:
My understanding is that the Black Box warning is more for the first few days or weeks you take the drug. At least, that is what my Doctor told me. So - the question really is how long was this dude on the drugs .... if he just started them, well, that would be a case for sure.
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Trazadone?  Doctors prescribe it freely as a sleep aid because it makes you drowsy.  A few years ago my doctor wrote a script for it for me when I was having trouble sleeping, but I couldn't tolerate it.  I was sleepy all day the next day even on a tiny dose. 

I must assume he was on it for some time, otherwise he'd be too sleepy to shoot people.
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Trazodone is an antidepressant medicine.
 
Timothy said:
The Rogue Tomato said:
Timothy said:
My understanding is that the Black Box warning is more for the first few days or weeks you take the drug. At least, that is what my Doctor told me. So - the question really is how long was this dude on the drugs .... if he just started them, well, that would be a case for sure.
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Trazadone?  Doctors prescribe it freely as a sleep aid because it makes you drowsy.  A few years ago my doctor wrote a script for it for me when I was having trouble sleeping, but I couldn't tolerate it.  I was sleepy all day the next day even on a tiny dose. 

I must assume he was on it for some time, otherwise he'd be too sleepy to shoot people.
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Trazodone is an antidepressant medicine.
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Yes, I know, but many doctors routinely prescribe it as a sleep aid to be taken at night.  It's non habit-forming, which is why they sometimes prefer it over other options.
 
Ransom said:
4everfsu said:
Please take my statements as a whole. The foundation for mass killing was started in the 1960 because when killing an unborn child is the law of the land, how do you expect anyone raised after 1960 to value life, born or unborn. Thus killing multiple people is nothing now to the public other then those who lose loved ones.
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Andrew Kehoe and Howard Unruh respected life?
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So does this mean you don't think there's any moral significance (indication of a moral degradation) in the number of spree shootings?  Movies like Natural Born Killers and A Clockwork Orange aren't art imitating life, and then in reverse unfortunately, life imitating art?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Ransom said:
4everfsu said:
Please take my statements as a whole. The foundation for mass killing was started in the 1960 because when killing an unborn child is the law of the land, how do you expect anyone raised after 1960 to value life, born or unborn. Thus killing multiple people is nothing now to the public other then those who lose loved ones.
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Andrew Kehoe and Howard Unruh respected life?
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So does this mean you don't think there's any moral signification (indication of a moral degradation) in the number of spree shootings?  Movies like Natural Born Killers and A Clockwork Orange aren't art imitating life, and then in reverse unfortunately, life imitating art?
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I haven't seen Natural Born Killers, but I have seen A Clockwork Orange, and read the book too. The movie is about as faithful to the book as a movie can be. The author (Anthony Burgess) did intend it as social commentary on trends he saw developing.
 
ALAYMAN said:
So does this mean you don't think there's any moral significance (indication of a moral degradation) in the number of spree shootings?
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4eversfu: Spree killings started in the 1960s.
Me: They've been going on for a lot longer.
4eversfu: They're symptomatic of the lack of respect for life since the 1960s.
Me: So spree killers before the 1960s respected life?

Try to keep up to the arguments actually being made, instead of trying to invent other ones. Thanks.
 
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