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I know several of you old farts have kids in or graduated from college, and I'm trying to guide ALAYBOY into those choppy waters. Regarding FAFSA filing, he got a decent ACT score as a junior to report but it is a statistically sound likelihood that a second effort at the ACT will yield a better score (and theoretically better aid/scholarships). Here's the question...If he does get a better score on the second effort at the ACT does the FAFSA process allow for updating that score so that colleges might reconsider their aid/scholarship offerings?
 
I tried to navigate these waters myself 42 years ago for myself and had almost all of the paperwork done for a Pell Grant when I found that my father hadn't filed his income tax paperwork for several years. So, I was left out in the cold. But, I have tried to help my nephews and nieces with these things. I'm not so sure if they will let him update the scores. I know they didn't allow it way back when. But I know things change and have changed since then. He could ask a guidance counselor. They should know.
 
I tried to navigate these waters myself 42 years ago for myself and had almost all of the paperwork done for a Pell Grant when I found that my father hadn't filed his income tax paperwork for several years. So, I was left out in the cold. But, I have tried to help my nephews and nieces with these things. I'm not so sure if they will let him update the scores. I know they didn't allow it way back when. But I know things change and have changed since then. He could ask a guidance counselor. They should know.

I appreciate the info and perspective. One of the problems in this equation is, I hate to say, a little bit of potential incompetence in the guidance department 😟. You mentioned things may be different than you experienced. The big emphasis is to get these forms filled out ASAP (at the beginning of the senior school year) but this by default means that many of those who are testing will not have taken their most recent ACT (in their Senior year) when they are expected to have diligently and prudently finished their FAFSA, so I would hope that the process would make allowance for the updating of that final ACT score in the natural course of the testing process (after all, it appears to be common knowledge that kids who test prior to their senior year have yet to be schooled in some materials on the ACT, which explains in part why follow-up testing typically yields higher scores for conscientious students who do their re-test in their senior year).
 
I know several of you old farts have kids in or graduated from college, and I'm trying to guide ALAYBOY into those choppy waters. Regarding FAFSA filing, he got a decent ACT score as a junior to report but it is a statistically sound likelihood that a second effort at the ACT will yield a better score (and theoretically better aid/scholarships). Here's the question...If he does get a better score on the second effort at the ACT does the FAFSA process allow for updating that score so that colleges might reconsider their aid/scholarship offerings?
I believe it does.
 
I believe it does.
I'm trying to find out. The school my sister founded in Augusta, GA before her death has a lady who deals with these things every day. I haven't heard back from her at this juncture, but hope to hear from her soon. The administrator of the school said he believed that they will be able to use the higher test scores.
 
I'm trying to find out. The school my sister founded in Augusta, GA before her death has a lady who deals with these things every day. I haven't heard back from her at this juncture, but hope to hear from her soon. The administrator of the school said he believed that they will be able to use the higher test scores.
Gracias Joe. 😊
 
Yeah, I know that colleges generally accepted the highest score of test re-takes when you update their admissions department directly, but am curious if FASFA (which is a sorta national clearinghouse for nigh all colleges to utilize for the aid/grant/scholarship process) allows for that updating to occur in their records. Anyway, again, thanks a bunch for taking time to try and assist me in answering the question. This process is tedious and challenging, but with tens (or even 100s) of thousands of dollars at stake I would like to do our due diligence to get a fair slice of the pie.☺️
 
I don't think your ACT or SAT goes on your FAFSA. The purpose of your Free Application for Federal Student Aid is to confirm you and your parents income and assets. Most schools base your scholarships on your ability to pay and even reduce academic scholarships based on your income.

Your grades are sent directly from your school to each college based on your request. Your ACT / SAT scores are sent to the colleges you request by ACT, Inc. and College Board inc respectively. You can send each school your "new" updated scores for a fee, but they must arrive by the time the scholarships are awarded to be considered. Scheduling can often be an issue for retests.


Regarding scholarships apply for every one you can find. There is lots of money out there to be unlocked, you can find lists online. Parents income can often limit what is available but it does not hurt to try. Employers, unions and social organizations often have little know scholarships to be had.

What is the FAFSA?​

To apply for federal student aid, such as federal grants, work-study, and loans, you need to complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA®). Completing and submitting the FAFSA is free and easier than ever, and it gives you access to the largest source of financial aid to pay for college or career school.
In addition, many states and colleges use your FAFSA information to determine your eligibility for state and school aid, and some private financial aid providers may use your FAFSA information to determine whether you qualify for their aid.


 
Ok, apologies for the thread resurrection, but it's coming down to crunch time and ALAYBOY hasn't gotten any all-expenses-paid varieties of scholarship offers from his preferred colleges so I figured I'd tap back into the collective genius of all you old farts who've been there and got the T-shirt. There are 1000's of scholarships and websites to tap into prospective student applicants, so much so that it can be overwhelming sorting through them to see if ALAYBOY meets the qualifications described in them. There are some websites that do some of the ferreting out for you, but like anything else on the interwebz today there is a learning curve to figure out whether a site is legit or just mining your info, so....

Any ideas or suggestions for paring down the potential resources for finding applicable scholarship offers?
 
Ok, apologies for the thread resurrection, but it's coming down to crunch time and ALAYBOY hasn't gotten any all-expenses-paid varieties of scholarship offers from his preferred colleges so I figured I'd tap back into the collective genius of all you old farts who've been there and got the T-shirt. There are 1000's of scholarships and websites to tap into prospective student applicants, so much so that it can be overwhelming sorting through them to see if ALAYBOY meets the qualifications described in them. There are some websites that do some of the ferreting out for you, but like anything else on the interwebz today there is a learning curve to figure out whether a site is legit or just mining your info, so....

Any ideas or suggestions for paring down the potential resources for finding applicable scholarship offers?
Just curious, why not just attend a local community college and get an associate degree, then go wherever he wants to wrap up his junior and senior years? The first two years are all just basic classes, regardless of where it’s at, plus you’d save a boatload of money. Also, statistically students who attend junior college perform better due to the smaller class sizes and absence of college beer parties.
 
A couple questions.

What does ALAYBOY want to do?

Assuming he shares you, his parents' faith, is this a clear calling on his life?

Is ALAYBOY already preparing to enter his chosen field or have connections to entering such even before college begins? Does he know anyone who can hook him up?

I ask because I genuinely don't know and I don't want to make assumptions.

What are is preferred schools? Why are they his preferred schools?

If preferred schools aren't an option at first, can prerequisites be accomplished at a junior college level? (back to the preparation question and Huk's excellent suggestion)

Are there apprenticeship programs available?

Is military service with the accompanying GI Bill an option?

Is taking longer than the standard four years to gain a degree an acceptable option?

I ask these questions because when I went to college, I thought I knew what I wanted to do despite the fact I made no preparations in my life towards those goals. When I got into what I thought I wanted to do an reality set in, my major changed. Also, I was raised with the mindset that came from parents who grew up during the Great Depression. That one goes to college, well, because, COLLEGE. It's how you put yourself into a position to make a decent living. I had little realistic vision for myself. I'm not saying this is where ALAYBOY is.

College is godlessly expensive and therefore represents a significant financial investment that only the purchase of a home can rival. But you knew that...

I ended up with a degree in Business Administration with a minor in IT systems. You'd think I could get a job anywhere. The biggest thing I learned is how perishable a degree in IT is and that colleges are masters of marketing: creating a perceived need and promising they can fulfill it for all their customers. And who said my education isn't doing me any good?

Another thing to consider is, where does ALAYBOY want to pursue his career? What priority does he place on family, church or hometown? Certain careers, no, MOST careers will conflict with personal priorities and sacrifices will be required. I could have gone far in my career after college if I wanted to uproot Mrs. abcaines and myself from family and hometown and move to San Antonio TX.

These are foundational questions that you may have considered that I would have done well to do the same myself.

Now, more specifically, the financial aid office of the college I eventually graduated from turned me on to a scholarship that paid $3000/ year for four years. I didn't know about it, I just applied through the office and landed it. If the financial aid office at a perspective school is worth its salt, it would not surprise me if the same happened to you.

Of course, the 900 pound gorilla in the room is student loans. When I graduated, I had $16K in loans to repay. Not much compared to others but still formidable. Fortunately, God intervened and my loans were paid off within 18 months, just as the 2008 recession hit and I was laid off. Now, I am working in what I was doing before college. It's with a school district and the main advantage is fair medical coverage for Mrs. acaines and myself. Plus, a small state pension.

Sorry to be so long winded but you asked this old fart to speak from experience.
 
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Just curious, why not just attend a local community college and get an associate degree, then go wherever he wants to wrap up his junior and senior years? The first two years are all just basic classes, regardless of where it’s at, plus you’d save a boatload of money. Also, statistically students who attend junior college perform better due to the smaller class sizes and absence of college beer parties.

LOL, you don't know how hard it is for me right now NOT to write a novel in response to your astute observations! So I'll keep it brief as possible...

1) Me and ALAYWIFE have parlayed our local podunk university bachelor's degrees into reasonably successful professional careers, but, ALAYBOY doesn't have a lot of common sense when it comes to receiving this kind of wisdom, and consequently wants the "big boy" academic prestige (yeah-yeah, I know, if he transfers then the degree he holds doesn't reflect those first 2 years of Podunk U, but we've told him that too)

2) He is planning, as of now, to go to medical school, and thinks BIGBOY U gives him a better shot at entrance. That is subjectively true, but certainly not as clear-cut as it might have once been.

3) He's a good kid, and who can guarantee that isn't corrupted at SATAN U BIG CITY, but in his defense, he ain't much of a socializing type, and doesn't exactly fit the profile of one susceptible to the wiles of the party life.

4) We've told him about saving money by going the satellite campus to BIG CITY U, whereby we could save money, but hey, he's spending our money so who cares, eh?

5) PODUNK U that mom and pops graduated from fits nicely with your theory of smaller class size and more professor-student access, but ALAYBOY is a wet-behind-the-ears-greenhorn who doesn't have a clue about such common sense measures. Through ALAYWIFE's connections we actually got him a personally chaperoned one-on-one tour with the head of one of the science departments at PODUNK and she explained this smaller class size and professor accessibility thing, but he's got blinders on. To make that one worse, PODUNK has a special relationship with Ohio University to ensure a way into med-school (assuming minimum prerequisites are met throughout the undergrad journey) and there's no necessity to take the MCAT. :unsure:
 
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A couple questions.

What does ALAYBOY want to do?

Assuming he shares you, his parents' faith, is this a clear calling on his life?

Is ALAYBOY already preparing to enter his chosen field or have connections to entering such even before college begins? Does he know anyone who can hook him up?

I ask because I genuinely don't know and I don't want to make assumptions.

What are is preferred schools? Why are they his preferred schools?

If preferred schools aren't an option at first, can prerequisites be accomplished at a junior college level? (back to the preparation question)

Are there apprenticeship programs available?

Is military service with the accompanying GI Bill an option?

Is taking longer than the standard four years to gain a degree an acceptable option?

I ask these questions because when I went to college, I thought I knew what I wanted to do despite the fact I made no preparations in my life towards those goals. When I got into what I thought I wanted to do an reality set in, my major changed. Also, I was raised with the mindset that came from parents who grew up during the Great Depression. That one goes to college, well, because, COLLEGE. It's how you put yourself into a position to make a decent living. I had little realistic vision for myself. I'm not saying this is where ALAYBOY is.

College is godlessly expensive and therefore represents a significant financial investment that only the purchase of a home can rival. But you knew that...

I ended up with a degree in Business Administration with a minor in IT systems. You'd think I could get a job anywhere. The biggest thing I learned is how perishable a degree in IT is and that colleges are masters of marketing: creating a perceived need and promising they can fulfill it for all their customers. And who said my education isn't doing me any good?

Another thing to consider is, where does ALAYBOY want to pursue his career? What priority does he place on family, church or hometown? Certain careers, no, MOST careers will conflict with personal priorities and sacrifices will be required. I could have gone far in my career after college if I wanted to uproot Mrs. abcaines and myself from family and hometown and move to San Antonio TX.

These are foundational questions that you may have considered that I would have done well to do the same myself.

Now, more specifically, the financial aid office of the college I eventually graduated from turned me on to a scholarship that paid $3000/ year for four years. I didn't know about it, I just applied through the office and landed it. If the financial aid office at a perspective school is worth its salt, it would not surprise me if the same happened to you.

Of course, the 900 pound gorilla in the room is student loans. When I graduated, I had $16K in loans to repay. Not much compared to others but still formidable. Fortunately, God intervened and my loans were paid off within 18 months, just as the 2008 recession hit and I was laid off. Now, I am working in what I was doing before college. It's with a school district and the main advantage is fair medical coverage for Mrs. acaines and myself. Plus, a small state pension.

Sorry to be so long winded but you asked this old fart to speak from experience.

Phwew, that was thorough bro, and very much appreciated. I covered some of the background and answers to your worthwhile questions in my answer to HUK (which was composed while you had just posted your response), but I will take more time in just a bit to answer some of the stuff I didn't address.
 
Rember when we were kids and the commercials on TV had us absolutely convinced that a sertain pair of sneakers would fulfill our athletic dreams? I think both you and I realize that ALAYBOY will do himself his greatest favor by shelving his ego and ignoring the marketing schemes that BIGBOY U spews.

The medical field is a noble calling. Anyone who can succeed in it at any level has my utmost respect.

What is his desired specialty? The days of the general practitioners who took care of a myriad of ills are long gone.

Also, I am unaware of any doctors who didn't enter their fields with $100K+ in debt. I've never heard of full ride scholarships for medical schools.

If ALAYBOY is absolutely serious about being a doctor, he may want to seriously consider a military career. Even if he does a full 30, he'll still be relatively young when he "retires" but he'll be debt free.

Just something else to consider.
 
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A couple questions.

Assuming he shares you, his parents' faith, is this a clear calling on his life?

No, this is another chapter in the saga, though I am sure that it is not all that different than the average kid going into adulthood vocational preparation via college. I knew I wanted to get a good job in order to marry ALAYWIFE and didn't care what kind of work got me to that goal. I was capable of digging ditches, or apt in science. I took the ASVAB and was on track to the Air Force if I didn't elect to go the college route. I settled on staying close to the beautiful hazel-eyed girl that I eventually married, so college seemed the obvious choice.

I had to work with my hands reasonably often as a teen, but ALAYBOY has shown no affinity for rake or shovel handles. White collar for sure. Having said that, he thought early on that he wanted to follow in pop's shoes and be a chemist, then in early high school it switched to a more generic "scientist" concept, and only in the last 8-12 months (much through influences a few of the teachers at his school) he switched to health sciences....radiologist. The most difficult part of this whole scenario is two factors in ALAYBOY's persona. First is the fact he is very close to the vest with his inner thoughts, and the second is his naivete in pursuing a "calling". He is very mature on the surface, but in regards to the concept of knowing what he wants to do in life it is very clear that he lacks the pathos, or the understanding of how to go about growing into anything close to a "calling" at this point. I think his motive for a career path is immature wrought from the notions of "success" and money (though to his credit, he is ANYTHING but materialistic in his pursuits and measurable attitude).

Is ALAYBOY already preparing to enter his chosen field or have connections to entering such even before college begins? Does he know anyone who can hook him up?

I have several connections that will provide for some shadowing opportunities, but as of now he is content for professional development in parallel while attending college coursework
What are is preferred schools? Why are they his preferred schools?
Ohio State main campus, Univ of Cinci, Wright State, Toledo, in that order. PODUNK ain't even a distant 5th.
If preferred schools aren't an option at first, can prerequisites be accomplished at a junior college level? (back to the preparation question and Huk's excellent suggestion)

Yes, more muddying the waters in ALAYBOY's critical thinking skills manifest via this line of questioning. For reasons not completely clear to me (though OSU does generally hold high regard in regards to easing the entry into medschool) he wants to go to OSU, but only the main campus. I explained that OSU satellites will take him NOW guaranteed and then after 30 hours there he would be able to transfer onto the main campus, but if he can't start as a frosh at OSU-Columbus he is going to go to Cinci (he's on deferred status at OSU where they require near a 31 ACT score...he has a 29, and already been accepted at Cinci).
Are there apprenticeship programs available?

Is military service with the accompanying GI Bill an option?

Military is a no-go for his soft butt.

Is taking longer than the standard four years to gain a degree an acceptable option?
Yes, though that is not in the tea leaves for progression through this chute at this point.
I ask these questions because when I went to college, I thought I knew what I wanted to do despite the fact I made no preparations in my life towards those goals. When I got into what I thought I wanted to do an reality set in, my major changed. Also, I was raised with the mindset that came from parents who grew up during the Great Depression. That one goes to college, well, because, COLLEGE. It's how you put yourself into a position to make a decent living. I had little realistic vision for myself. I'm not saying this is where ALAYBOY is.

College is godlessly expensive and therefore represents a significant financial investment that only the purchase of a home can rival. But you knew that...

I ended up with a degree in Business Administration with a minor in IT systems. You'd think I could get a job anywhere. The biggest thing I learned is how perishable a degree in IT is and that colleges are masters of marketing: creating a perceived need and promising they can fulfill it for all their customers. And who said my education isn't doing me any good?

Another thing to consider is, where does ALAYBOY want to pursue his career? What priority does he place on family, church or hometown? Certain careers, no, MOST careers will conflict with personal priorities and sacrifices will be required. I could have gone far in my career after college if I wanted to uproot Mrs. abcaines and myself from family and hometown and move to San Antonio TX.

These are foundational questions that you may have considered that I would have done well to do the same myself.

Now, more specifically, the financial aid office of the college I eventually graduated from turned me on to a scholarship that paid $3000/ year for four years. I didn't know about it, I just applied through the office and landed it. If the financial aid office at a perspective school is worth its salt, it would not surprise me if the same happened to you.

Of course, the 900 pound gorilla in the room is student loans. When I graduated, I had $16K in loans to repay. Not much compared to others but still formidable. Fortunately, God intervened and my loans were paid off within 18 months, just as the 2008 recession hit and I was laid off. Now, I am working in what I was doing before college. It's with a school district and the main advantage is fair medical coverage for Mrs. acaines and myself. Plus, a small state pension.

Sorry to be so long winded but you asked this old fart to speak from experience.

Yes, the fact that college is not a guarantee into the workforce is a factor here, but he doesn't have ANY desire to go the route of a skilled craft or trade, nor military training, so it's either "would you like fries with that?" or the academic route for him, as of now. He has been primed from middle school to understand that there are requirements for mom and pop to pick up the check on college, and to this point he seems to be holding up his end of that deal. The general offerings from colleges so far is about 33% of the bill (scholarships in line with about 6K per year from the colleges themselves, whereas we hope/aspire to pick up a significant chunk through the mechanism of private scholarships offered by endowments and foundations, etc, hence the question about how others have fared in regards to the essay-test Scholarship apps). And whatever transpires throughout the undergrad path, assuming the debt is manageable, he will have to assume the dough for paying for med school. After all, if you are going to make that kind of money you can afford to pay your own debt.
 
Rember when we were kids and the commercials on TV had us absolutely convinced that a sertain pair of sneakers would fulfill our athletic dreams?

Everytime I took off and jumped from the foul line, intent on jamming it home, I usually had to pick myself up with some strawberries and asphalt rash, whether my tongue was perfectly positioned or not. It was then that I knew I was never gonna be like Mike.
 
No, this is another chapter in the saga, though I am sure that it is not all that different than the average kid going into adulthood vocational preparation via college. I knew I wanted to get a good job in order to marry ALAYWIFE and didn't care what kind of work got me to that goal. I was capable of digging ditches, or apt in science. I took the ASVAB and was on track to the Air Force if I didn't elect to go the college route. I settled on staying close to the beautiful hazel-eyed girl that I eventually married, so college seemed the obvious choice.

I had to work with my hands reasonably often as a teen, but ALAYBOY has shown no affinity for rake or shovel handles. White collar for sure. Having said that, he thought early on that he wanted to follow in pop's shoes and be a chemist, then in early high school it switched to a more generic "scientist" concept, and only in the last 8-12 months (much through influences a few of the teachers at his school) he switched to health sciences....radiologist. The most difficult part of this whole scenario is two factors in ALAYBOY's persona. First is the fact he is very close to the vest with his inner thoughts, and the second is his naivete in pursuing a "calling". He is very mature on the surface, but in regards to the concept of knowing what he wants to do in life it is very clear that he lacks the pathos, or the understanding of how to go about growing into anything close to a "calling" at this point. I think his motive for a career path is immature wrought from the notions of "success" and money (though to his credit, he is ANYTHING but materialistic in his pursuits and measurable attitude).



I have several connections that will provide for some shadowing opportunities, but as of now he is content for professional development in parallel while attending college coursework

Ohio State main campus, Univ of Cinci, Wright State, Toledo, in that order. PODUNK ain't even a distant 5th.


Yes, more muddying the waters in ALAYBOY's critical thinking skills manifest via this line of questioning. For reasons not completely clear to me (though OSU does generally hold high regard in regards to easing the entry into medschool) he wants to go to OSU, but only the main campus. I explained that OSU satellites will take him NOW guaranteed and then after 30 hours there he would be able to transfer onto the main campus, but if he can't start as a frosh at OSU-Columbus he is going to go to Cinci (he's on deferred status at OSU where they require near a 31 ACT score...he has a 29, and already been accepted at Cinci).


Military is a no-go for his soft butt.


Yes, though that is not in the tea leaves for progression through this chute at this point.


Yes, the fact that college is not a guarantee into the workforce is a factor here, but he doesn't have ANY desire to go the route of a skilled craft or trade, nor military training, so it's either "would you like fries with that?" or the academic route for him, as of now. He has been primed from middle school to understand that there are requirements for mom and pop to pick up the check on college, and to this point he seems to be holding up his end of that deal. The general offerings from colleges so far is about 33% of the bill (scholarships in line with about 6K per year from the colleges themselves, whereas we hope/aspire to pick up a significant chunk through the mechanism of private scholarships offered by endowments and foundations, etc, hence the question about how others have fared in regards to the essay-test Scholarship apps). And whatever transpires throughout the undergrad path, assuming the debt is manageable, he will have to assume the dough for paying for med school. After all, if you are going to make that kind of money you can afford to pay your own debt.
One thing but certainly not all, ALAYBOY has been sold a bill of goods by the education industry that has convinced him in his personality that BIGBOY U will fulfill his present dreams. Everyone wants to have a clear focus by the time they're done with High School. Not a bad goal but not realistic in all cases. Again, I refer to the marketing of the education industry.

I was happy to see that radiology is on the table. Radiology is one of those fields that are very accessible early on and one can build on their goals as they progress in it. But it will require work in the field during the early stages of his education. I think it is a mistake to think one can go the academic route then jump into a specific field. I would say that mindset was my most detrimental mistake, personally.
 
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