Acts 8:37

[Ransom]

So, it's been 10 days. Apart from Avery's feeble attempt at answering the wrong question, there's no one who wants to take a swing at the OP?

Okay, then. I'll just chalk up Acts 8:37 as another KJV-only strawman.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Yeah . . . all those theocratic Baptists and violent Mennonites just doing what they do.

PY fails history. Must be a day with "Y" in it again.

When have Baptist and Mennonites ever controlled a social structure to the point of having the power to put people to death?

I haven't failed history at all.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Both Catholics and Protestants tended to kill immersers.

Exactly, which is why I claim to be neither.

Here is the test that they fail:

16 1  These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2  They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.  John 16:1-3

Haklo

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Lol @ "in power".

Haklo

What's so funny?

 

[prophet]

Both Catholics and Protestants tended to kill immersers.

Exactly, which is why I claim to be neither.

Here is the test that they fail:

16 1  These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2  They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.  John 16:1-3

Haklo

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Lol @ "in power".

Haklo

What's so funny?

"In power"

Haklo

 

[Binaca Chugger]

So, it's been 10 days. Apart from Avery's feeble attempt at answering the wrong question, there's no one who wants to take a swing at the OP?

Okay, then. I'll just chalk up Acts 8:37 as another KJV-only strawman.

I am not sure I understand your argument.

Are you arguing in favor of paedobaptism?

Are you arguing against the need to confess Christ?

Are you arguing that the change among versions which drops the confession of Christ is a legitimate reason to prefer the KJV?

 

[subllibrm]

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Yeah . . . all those theocratic Baptists and violent Mennonites just doing what they do.

PY fails history. Must be a day with "Y" in it again.

When have Baptist and Mennonites ever controlled a social structure to the point of having the power to put people to death?

I haven't failed history at all.

Roger Williams

 

[praise_yeshua]

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Yeah . . . all those theocratic Baptists and violent Mennonites just doing what they do.

PY fails history. Must be a day with "Y" in it again.

When have Baptist and Mennonites ever controlled a social structure to the point of having the power to put people to death?

I haven't failed history at all.

Roger Williams

Nonsense. Williams played in both worlds. It is most accurate to call Williams a reformed Baptist. Which.... by the way.... many Baptist reject.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Both Catholics and Protestants tended to kill immersers.

Exactly, which is why I claim to be neither.

Here is the test that they fail:

16 1  These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2  They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.  John 16:1-3

Haklo

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Lol @ "in power".

Haklo

What's so funny?

"In power"

Haklo

Why is it "funny"?

 

[subllibrm]

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Yeah . . . all those theocratic Baptists and violent Mennonites just doing what they do.

PY fails history. Must be a day with "Y" in it again.

When have Baptist and Mennonites ever controlled a social structure to the point of having the power to put people to death?

I haven't failed history at all.

Roger Williams

Nonsense. Williams played in both worlds. It is most accurate to call Williams a reformed Baptist. Which.... by the way.... many Baptist reject.

He had the power of the state and did not use it against those with whom he disagreed theologically. That was your challenge. He is my answer.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If the immersers were in power...... there would be a lot of Protestant and Catholics getting murdered.

Yeah . . . all those theocratic Baptists and violent Mennonites just doing what they do.

PY fails history. Must be a day with "Y" in it again.

When have Baptist and Mennonites ever controlled a social structure to the point of having the power to put people to death?

I haven't failed history at all.

Roger Williams

Nonsense. Williams played in both worlds. It is most accurate to call Williams a reformed Baptist. Which.... by the way.... many Baptist reject.

He had the power of the state and did not use it against those with whom he disagreed theologically. That was your challenge. He is my answer.

He isn't alone. Not all Protestants and not all Catholics acted recklessly. Either way, I seriously question whether Williams really had the power to have others put to death. Men that have such power..... very seldom restrain themselves. Its the nature of man. Whatever particular religion they choose generally plays a very little part in the matter.

 

[rsc2a]

That's why we have cops killing everyone and blood runs through the streets of all our cities and towns.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's why we have cops killing everyone and blood runs through the streets of all our cities and towns.

Not in the US...... but it certainly happening in many areas of the world. All over religion. Are you really that disconnected from reality?

 

[rsc2a]

It's everywhere. Man cannot help himself. It's in his nature.

 

[Ransom]

I am not sure I understand your argument.

I am definitely sure you don't understand my argument. Because there was no argument.

I asked whether any paedobaptist tradition pointed to the absence of Acts 8:37 as justification for paedobaptism.

 

[subllibrm]

It's everywhere. Man cannot help himself. It's in his nature.

But not here because ... um well if we would succumb to our nature then it would but ... um we are less natural than um ... those guys in those places where ... er it always happens .. except for when it doesn't ...  :-\

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's everywhere. Man cannot help himself. It's in his nature.

But not here because ... um well if we would succumb to our nature then it would but ... um we are less natural than um ... those guys in those places where ... er it always happens .. except for when it doesn't ...  :-\

Yep. Still sore!!!

 

[Steven Avery]

I asked whether any paedobaptist tradition pointed to the absence of Acts 8:37 as justification for paedobaptism.

It was a dumb question, because the verse was in all Greek and Latin and English Bibles, and all Reformation Bible editions, from the time of the Reformation scholarship until the hortian textual apostasy. 

There was no way to appeal to the absence of a verse when it was in their Bibles!  Logic 101.

Thus I showed the real issue, that those opposed to paedobaptism appealed to the inclusion of the verse.  This was too deep for Scott to handle .

Steven Avery

 

[praise_yeshua]

I asked whether any paedobaptist tradition pointed to the absence of Acts 8:37 as justification for paedobaptism.

It was a dumb question, because the verse was in all Greek and Latin and English Bibles, and all Reformation Bible editions, from the time of the Reformation scholarship until the hortian textual apostasy. 

There was no way to appeal to the absence of a verse when it was in their Bibles!  Logic 101.

Thus I showed the real issue, that those opposed to paedobaptism appealed to the inclusion of the verse.  This was too deep for Scott to handle .

Steven Avery

Only a NUT would point to a 16th century event and claim "Logic 101".

 

[Steven Avery]

You are not even following the issues, my friend.  Acts 8:37 was properly in all the Greek and Latin times from the 16th century Reformation era until the 19th century hortian apostasy.  This was the period of vigorous modern debates on issues like paedobaptism between various groups like rcc, the Reformers and the Anabaptists.

It is true that modern seminarians know very little about the historical battle of the Bible in the late 1500s on till the time of the hortian apsotasy.  At that point, the rcc embraced the ultra- corrupt text as their Plan B.

 

[Ransom]

It was a dumb question,

Never asked what you thought of it, Avery. Only whether there was an answer. Clearly, your extended fililbuster proves there is not.

There was no way to appeal to the absence of a verse when it was in their Bibles!  Logic 101.

Then why does the KJV cult claim its absence opens the door to paedobaptism?

Thank you for admitting that critiques of the modern Bibles are based on sophistry, Avery. I'll be sure to borrow this post of yours next time someone tries to claim that Acts 8:37 has been deliberately "omitted" to justify infant baptism.