14 Year Old Slammed and Choked by Police for Dehumanizing Stare?? HUH.......

[graceandtruth]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-14-year-old-carrying-puppy-tackled-and-choked-police-giving-them-funny-look

 

[Castor Muscular]

I bet it was an assault puppy.  Gotta ban those assault puppies.

Also, I heard the police called George Zimmerman, and Zimmerman said they don't need to follow this kid.  So they disobeyed orders. 

 

[qwerty]

Is there a thread here somewhere dealing with the black on black crime in places like Chicago?  4 people killed Tuesday night, 13 over the weekend. I would think those would gain much more attention.... Or would they?

 

[graceandtruth]

Is there a thread here somewhere dealing with the black on black crime in places like Chicago?  4 people killed Tuesday night, 13 over the weekend. I would think those would gain much more attention.... Or would they?

In an effort to deflect you should start one. 

 

[christundivided]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-14-year-old-carrying-puppy-tackled-and-choked-police-giving-them-funny-look

There is nothing in the video to prove who is right or wrong. If he did shake his fist or even clinch it toward the officers, then they had the right to take him down. I wouldn't trust what MY OWN 14 year old told me the truth or none of his friends. I'm sure he wouldn't be telling the entire story.

Are you saying there is proof the young man, that shares your race, is correct and the officers are wrong? Can you point to the evidence?

If you don't like how the officers are handling him, that is another story. I will tell you it happens all the time. They are taught to react in such a manner. They do not allow any opportunity for ANYONE to get the upper hand in a altercation between them. I've saw a black cop body slam a white man ( my brother) and sit on him with his face in the sand because of the same thing. I didn't consider it to be racist at all. I thought he got exactly what he should of got.

 

[graceandtruth]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-14-year-old-carrying-puppy-tackled-and-choked-police-giving-them-funny-look

There is nothing in the video to prove who is right or wrong. If he did shake his fist or even clinch it toward the officers, then they had the right to take him down. I wouldn't trust what MY OWN 14 year old told me the truth or none of his friends. I'm sure he wouldn't be telling the entire story.

Are you saying there is proof the young man, that shares your race, is correct and the officers are wrong? Can you point to the evidence?

If you don't like how the officers are handling him, that is another story. I will tell you it happens all the time. They are taught to react in such a manner. They do not allow any opportunity for ANYONE to get the upper hand in a altercation between them. I've saw a black cop body slam a white man ( my brother) and sit on him with his face in the sand because of the same thing. I didn't consider it to be racist at all. I thought he got exactly what he should of got.

I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.

If he was transparent the police wouldn't have noticed him.

And I sincerely doubt this is a matter of "white or transparent" with you.  But I don't have your powerful sense of ESP, so I can't claim to know that for certain the way you seen to know exactly the motives of others. 

 

[christundivided]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-14-year-old-carrying-puppy-tackled-and-choked-police-giving-them-funny-look

There is nothing in the video to prove who is right or wrong. If he did shake his fist or even clinch it toward the officers, then they had the right to take him down. I wouldn't trust what MY OWN 14 year old told me the truth or none of his friends. I'm sure he wouldn't be telling the entire story.

Are you saying there is proof the young man, that shares your race, is correct and the officers are wrong? Can you point to the evidence?

If you don't like how the officers are handling him, that is another story. I will tell you it happens all the time. They are taught to react in such a manner. They do not allow any opportunity for ANYONE to get the upper hand in a altercation between them. I've saw a black cop body slam a white man ( my brother) and sit on him with his face in the sand because of the same thing. I didn't consider it to be racist at all. I thought he got exactly what he should of got.

I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.

You simply assume what the 14 year old said is true. The article lead isn't exactly what the officer said. They said the 14 year old clinched his fist at them and then proceeded to leave the scene. Did you notice that part of the article?

If you did, then why would you take the 14 year old's word over the cops? Would that indicate prejudice to you?

 

[graceandtruth]

I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.

If he was transparent the police wouldn't have noticed him.

And I sincerely doubt this is a matter of "white or transparent" with you.  But I don't have your powerful sense of ESP, so I can't claim to know that for certain the way you seen to know exactly the motives of others.

Absolutely right Castor.  You do not know anything about me and do not have ESP.

 

[graceandtruth]

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/black-14-year-old-carrying-puppy-tackled-and-choked-police-giving-them-funny-look

There is nothing in the video to prove who is right or wrong. If he did shake his fist or even clinch it toward the officers, then they had the right to take him down. I wouldn't trust what MY OWN 14 year old told me the truth or none of his friends. I'm sure he wouldn't be telling the entire story.

Are you saying there is proof the young man, that shares your race, is correct and the officers are wrong? Can you point to the evidence?

If you don't like how the officers are handling him, that is another story. I will tell you it happens all the time. They are taught to react in such a manner. They do not allow any opportunity for ANYONE to get the upper hand in a altercation between them. I've saw a black cop body slam a white man ( my brother) and sit on him with his face in the sand because of the same thing. I didn't consider it to be racist at all. I thought he got exactly what he should of got.

I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.

You simply assume what the 14 year old said is true. The article lead isn't exactly what the officer said. They said the 14 year old clinched his fist at them and then proceeded to leave the scene. Did you notice that part of the article?

If you did, then why would you take the 14 year old's word over the cops? Would that indicate prejudice to you?

Clinching one's fist is not usually a crime and a child is a child.  I am usually on the side of policemen but this treatment seems a little extreme unless this 14 year old was a MMA fighter as well.  I would also have to assume that his mother and sister are lying as well.  Whatever happened to the presumed innocent clause?

In another thread everyone assumed that what GZ said was true.  What is the difference in this instance?

 

[qwerty]

Is there a thread here somewhere dealing with the black on black crime in places like Chicago?  4 people killed Tuesday night, 13 over the weekend. I would think those would gain much more attention.... Or would they?

In an effort to deflect you should start one. 

Translation: "I don't care as long as it does not involve the cops or a Hispanic neighborhood watch guy".

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]I have a problem with a police officer handling a 14 year old child like this for the way he looked at him regardless of whether he was black, white, or transparent.  He is a child and should be treated like a child whether he is black, white, or transparent.[/quote]

I have a rule around my house for my kids and the siblings that live with us periodically for college. If you want to act like an adult, I'm going to treat you like an adult. If you want to act like a child, I'm going to treat you like a child. Clenching your fists at police officers (i.e. threatening them) is the behavior of an adult (albeit one of potentially questionable character), not the behavior of a child.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]Clinching one's fist is not usually a crime and a child is a child.  I am usually on the side of policemen but this treatment seems a little extreme unless this 14 year old was a MMA fighter as well.  I would also have to assume that his mother and sister are lying as well.  Whatever happened to the presumed innocent clause?[/quote]

Hmm...

...we would be intellectually dishonest to assume that [his family] would not lie to protect him. - graceandtruth (names changed to make a point)

[quote author=graceandtruth]In another thread everyone assumed that what GZ said was true.  What is the difference in this instance?[/quote]

I'm actually in agreement here. I'm also pointing out the double standard you are applying.

 

[graceandtruth]

[quote author=graceandtruth]Clinching one's fist is not usually a crime and a child is a child.  I am usually on the side of policemen but this treatment seems a little extreme unless this 14 year old was a MMA fighter as well.  I would also have to assume that his mother and sister are lying as well.  Whatever happened to the presumed innocent clause?

Hmm...

...we would be intellectually dishonest to assume that [his family] would not lie to protect him. - graceandtruth (names changed to make a point)

[quote author=graceandtruth]In another thread everyone assumed that what GZ said was true.  What is the difference in this instance?[/quote]

I'm actually in agreement here. I'm also pointing out the double standard you are applying.
[/quote]

I am just giving his family the same treatment everyone else was willing to give another group in a similar situation.  No intellectual dishonesty here unless you are speaking of those who believe GZ and his neighbors but won't believe this child and his family.

 

[graceandtruth]

Is there a thread here somewhere dealing with the black on black crime in places like Chicago?  4 people killed Tuesday night, 13 over the weekend. I would think those would gain much more attention.... Or would they?

In an effort to deflect you should start one. 

Translation: "I don't care as long as it does not involve the cops or a Hispanic neighborhood watch guy".

No Translation:  Qwerty should be will to deal with the problem on all levels especially among his peers.

 

[graceandtruth]

A QUICK EXERCISE IN HONESTY:

How many would be okay with their 14 year old son being treated this way for looking at someone and clinching their fist while walking AWAY from the person thereby posing no threat to the person?  (Now let's try real hard to be honest....)

 

[Castor Muscular]

A QUICK EXERCISE IN HONESTY:

How many would be okay with their 14 year old son being treated this way for looking at someone and clinching their fist while walking AWAY from the person thereby posing no threat to the person?  (Now let's try real hard to be honest....)

If my son refused to tell officers where I was, or refused to take them to me, and then belligerently walked away clenching his fists, then, yes, I would be okay with the officers restraining him. 

 

[qwerty]

A QUICK EXERCISE IN HONESTY:

How many would be okay with their 14 year old son being treated this way for looking at someone and clinching their fist while walking AWAY from the person thereby posing no threat to the person?  (Now let's try real hard to be honest....)

If my son refused to tell officers where I was, or refused to take them to me, and then belligerently walked away clenching his fists, then, yes, I would be okay with the officers restraining him.

Ditto

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=graceandtruth]I am just giving his family the same treatment everyone else was willing to give another group in a similar situation.[/quote]

You mean assume all parties are innocent and let the justice system sort it out? Because I haven't seen you do anything of the sort in either case.

[quote author=graceandtruth]No intellectual dishonesty here unless you are speaking of those who believe GZ and his neighbors but won't believe this child and his family.[/quote]

Clearly not...it's not intellectually dishonest to have different standards of justice for different people...or something.  :

And, FTR, I don't believe or disbelieve this child, his family, the police officers, TM's family, GZ, or the prosecutor. What I do acknowledge is that I don't have all the facts, and that it is the job of the justice system to determine guilt or innocence, not mine...unless I happen to be on a jury.

 

[rsc2a]

A QUICK EXERCISE IN HONESTY:

How many would be okay with their 14 year old son being treated this way for looking at someone and clinching their fist while walking AWAY from the person thereby posing no threat to the person?  (Now let's try real hard to be honest....)

If my son refused to tell officers where I was, or refused to take them to me, and then belligerently walked away clenching his fists, then, yes, I would be okay with the officers restraining him.

Ditto

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