When Was Abraham Saved?

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Was it in Genesis 15 or before?
This is curious to me b/c God called Abraham many years before the instance in Genesis 15:6
And God's Word calls Lot 'just' yet Lot was already in Sodom, so Lot must have believed before Genesis 15.
So, if Abe was saved in Genesis 15, then Lot must have been saved before Abraham.
 
"...before the foundations of the world"
"Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness..."
"...the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time"
 
Gen 12:4
4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him:and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
 
Abraham was saved at the same time the other old Testament saints were saved, at the time of the crucifixion.  Keep in mind, Old Testament saints didn't go to "heaven" when they died.  They went to "paradise" in the center of the Earth.  It wasn't until Jesus Christ arose that they too were able to rise (some even stuck around for dinner with their families on their way up.)  Everyone who ever lived or ever will live is saved by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

At death, all pre-crucifixion (or possibly pre-resurrection) individuals went to the center of the earth at the time of their death (hades?)  Some were in a place of comfort (paradise), some were in a place of torment (Hell).  They were separated by a "great gulf."  Of course, this was not a physical place, mind you, but a spiritual place with a physical location.  Matthew 12:40 says "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  Jesus went there when he died and "redeemed" them with his blood.

The question becomes....what made the difference between someone who was comforted and someone who was tormented.  I don't look at it from a standpoint of Salvation, at least not as we know it today.  No one confessed belief in the coming Messiah and his blood atonement.  Sure, it was alluded to in prophecy, but not even the disciples understood that Christ had to die for them. 

Perhaps it was faithfulness to God.  Perhaps it was a covenant he made with them as there God.  Truthfully, I don't have an answer (nor do I need one.)  I want to know, but God has not revealed it to us.  The important thing to know for sure is that the blood of Christ saves all, past, present, and future.
 
Silly Humans trying to make an infinite God fit in a timeline designed for man.

For God it all happens at the same "time".  He does not live within it.

Abraham was saved at the same time the world was created at the same time Jesus was crucified at the same time Abraham obeyed God and it was counted for him for faith at the same time he is already justified and sitting with God in his proper citizenship in heaven.

Its all occurring at once for God.  Scripture is clear.  We are the ones who constantly want to humanize God and place Him within the time sequence that He designed for us.

Silly Silly humans.
 
When he submitted to the authority of the KJV.  ;)
 
TidesofTruth said:
Silly Humans trying to make an infinite God fit in a timeline designed for man.

For God it all happens at the same "time".  He does not live within it.

Abraham was saved at the same time the world was created at the same time Jesus was crucified at the same time Abraham obeyed God and it was counted for him for faith at the same time he is already justified and sitting with God in his proper citizenship in heaven.

Its all occurring at once for God.  Scripture is clear.  We are the ones who constantly want to humanize God and place Him within the time sequence that He designed for us.

Silly Silly humans.
"When" designates Time, which we silly humans go by.
To God it is present, ever.

To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.
 
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.[/quote]

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
[/quote]
... doesn't need to be saved
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
... doesn't need to be saved
[/quote]
Ok, would you settle for righteousness was imputed?
 
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
[/quote]
"Believed God, and it WAS COUNTED unto him for righteousness..."
Is what I was referring to.
 
prophet said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
"Believed God, and it WAS COUNTED unto him for righteousness..."
Is what I was referring to.
[/quote]

From the narrative we can point to the obedience to leave his home and relocate to an unknown place. At least that would be the earliest incident of faith (believing God) that I am aware of.
 
subllibrm said:
prophet said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=prophet]To us, there was a point on a linear chart that he was saved.

...was saved.
...is being saved.
...will be saved.
"Believed God, and it WAS COUNTED unto him for righteousness..."
Is what I was referring to.

From the narrative we can point to the obedience to leave his home and relocate to an unknown place. At least that would be the earliest incident of faith (believing God) that I am aware of.
[/quote]
Exactly.
 
From the narrative we can point to the obedience to leave his home and relocate to an unknown place. At least that would be the earliest incident of faith (believing God) that I am aware of.
[/quote]
I agree, I was just wondering what the significance of his faith in ch. 15 as opposed to earlier in his life. 
 
16KJV11 said:
From the narrative we can point to the obedience to leave his home and relocate to an unknown place. At least that would be the earliest incident of faith (believing God) that I am aware of.
I agree, I was just wondering what the significance of his faith in ch. 15 as opposed to earlier in his life.
[/quote]
The blessing promised was first iterated in ch. 12, where I quoted from.

 
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