What did Obama supporters actually win?

[christundivided]

I can honestly say that I am very disappointed with the election results. Yet, I do believe it maybe the best thing that could of happened. I fully expect this administration to run the country into the ground the next 4 years. By the time they are through, there are going to be a lot of people never wanting to vote democrat again.

In the end, it should have been clear from the beginning that this country will never again vote a "rich man" into to office. Regardless if he is the best man for the job or not. It amazes me that everyone wants to be rich but no one wants a rich man to do anything except share their wealth.

My question for you Obama supports is....

What have you really won?

1. Is high employment the new "normal"?
2. Is class warfare the new "normal"?
3. Is 20 trillion dollars of debt the new "normal"?
4. Is 3 or 4 dollar gas the new "normal"?
5. Who will you blame when the next four years is behind us?

What did you really win?

 

[rsc2a]

I can honestly say that I am very disappointed with the election results. Yet, I do believe it maybe the best thing that could of happened. I fully expect this administration to run the country into the ground the next 4 years. By the time they are through, there are going to be a lot of people never wanting to vote democrat again.

Why would you figure that? If people are getting more and more "free" stuff, why would they vote against that?

(Realistically, not philosophically)

 

[christundivided]

I can honestly say that I am very disappointed with the election results. Yet, I do believe it maybe the best thing that could of happened. I fully expect this administration to run the country into the ground the next 4 years. By the time they are through, there are going to be a lot of people never wanting to vote democrat again.

Why would you figure that? If people are getting more and more "free" stuff, why would they vote against that?

(Realistically, not philosophically)

True... BUT....free stuff will only get you so far.

Sooner or later, people will realize that choices have consequences.

 

[christundivided]

What did you really win?

Four more years.

Four more years of what?

 

[HeDied4U]

What did you really win?

Four more years.

Four more years of what?

Unity, economic growth, and the creation of jobs.

Really? We've had that for the past four years?

I guess I've been living in a different America. The America I've been living in for the past four years has a President that engages in class warfare. Economic growth has been paltry; less than 2%. As for job creation, well, an unemployment rate higher than when the President took office speaks for itself.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]Four more years of what?

Unity

[/quote]

LOL

[quote author=Timothy]economic growth, and the creation of jobs.[/quote]

Please tell me you're joking.



We get -

- four more years of war mongering
- four more years of our civil rights being trampled on
- four more years of government interference in religion
- four more years of corporate welfare
- four more years of deficits
- four more years of sanctioned torture, murder of American citizens, and drone strikes
- four more years of manipulation via taxes
- four more years of government intrusion into my doctor appt
- four more years of federal government intrusion into my kids' school
- four more years of a failed war on drugs
- four more years of partisan politics
- four more years of big government

...in summary, we get four more years of what we would have gotten even if Romney had been elected.

 

[T-Bone]

Well of course they get a......

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

 

[Castor Muscular]

Well of course they get a......

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

You beat me to it.

Keep Obama in Prezadint, you know?  He gave us a phone!

 

[christundivided]

I don't believe this mess can be cleaned up in just 4 years and to blame Obama isn't totally fair.

To assume this mess can be cleaned up by a lying Mormon is ludacris.

My state just approved the same-sex marriage law. What a shame.

American needs MAJOR help beyond a party or man.

The best we can do is pray, teach men and women to live for God, and hope judgement doesn't come down like Sodom and Gomorrah before Jesus returns.

What a joke. You claim this is the best we can do?

Obama supported gay marriage!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you giving him a pass on it?

Admit it. The only reason you supported Obama over Romney is because Romney is filthy rich and you don't believe a filthy rich white man has your best interest at heart. Admit it.

There you go....... "Christian" that refuses to vote his values and it instead votes for what he thinks he can get out of something. Its no wonder you flounder around from church to church looking for your next "fix".

 

[christundivided]

...in summary, we get four more years of what we would have gotten even if Romney had been elected.

Spoken like a true libertarian who thinks ONLY a libertarian can change things.

By the way.... How did that Gary Johnson thing go for you?

 

[rsc2a]

...in summary, we get four more years of what we would have gotten even if Romney had been elected.

Spoken like a true libertarian who thinks ONLY a libertarian can change things.

Nope. I think plenty of people could change things. I think Jill Stein could change things. (I just don't like most of the changes she would implement.)

[quote author=christundivided]By the way.... How did that Gary Johnson thing go for you?[/quote]

It went fine, thanks. My conscience is clear and I didn't sell my soul to the highest bidder.

 

[christundivided]

It went fine, thanks. My conscience is clear and I didn't sell my soul to the highest bidder.

I didn't sell mine. I do believe that worst mistake that Romney made was to ignore libertarians in the Republican party. I don't know if it would have changed the election but it might have changed Iowa and possibly Colorado.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]...[/quote]

I'm interested...what do you think are the actual differences in Romney and Obama?

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]...

I'm interested...what do you think are the actual differences in Romney and Obama?
[/quote]

If you honestly don't believe there is a difference...... what I say won't make a difference.

Did you even vote?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]...

I'm interested...what do you think are the actual differences in Romney and Obama?

If you honestly don't believe there is a difference...... what I say won't make a difference. [/quote]

So what are the differences?

[quote author=christundivided]Did you even vote?[/quote]

Of course. 

 

[christundivided]

So what are the differences?

Obama is a radical liberal that believes in social justice. When I say "social justice"... this would include the advancement of the poor and minorities regardless of merit and at the expense of those who who have proven themselves.
Obama is a radical liberal that refuses to compromise any part of his belief systems to embrace 48 percent of the electorate that voted against him
Obama is a radical liberal that added almost 6 trillion dollars of debt without any thought of its consequences
Obama is a radical liberal that will appoint radical liberal judges to the Supreme court.

Can you say that Romney is any of these?

 

[samspade]

Well of course they get a......

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

Although not a fan of the President, I do believe in honest criticism. The free phone program started in 1984 during the Reagan administration. At that time it was for subsidized landlines. In 2008 it was expanded (under Bush) to include cellphones. While the current administration has done nothing to curtail the program, they didn't invent or institute it.

The administration has given us plenty to criticize and disagree with. But by focusing on untrue or irrelevant issues (are you listening birthers?) we (conservatives) have marginalized our voice with the undecided middle. That's one of the big reasons the current administration was re-elected.

 

[christundivided]

Well of course they get a......

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

Although not a fan of the President, I do believe in honest criticism. The free phone program started in 1984 during the Reagan administration. At that time it was for subsidized landlines. In 2008 it was expanded (under Bush) to include cellphones. While the current administration has done nothing to curtail the program, they didn't invent or institute it.

The administration has given us plenty to criticize and disagree with. But by focusing on untrue or irrelevant issues (are you listening birthers?) we (conservatives) have marginalized our voice with the undecided middle. That's one of the big reasons the current administration was re-elected.

I don't believe the focus is on who started or who even expanded it. The focus should be on who is getting the credit for it and who is the one that is being expected to continue to give away a free ride.

On the contrary. Romney played the nice guy. He could have been combative and wasn't. In fact, Obama was the one who was combative... the man who focused on the "untrue or irrelevant issues".

AND HE GOT ELECTED. Your logic fails.

Remember "Romnesia"? How about "liar" and the "one point" plan? How the president's talk of "revenge"?

 

[Anchor]

The difference between 1980 and 2012

In both 1980 and 2012 the nation's economy, viewpoint, status in the world, and collective spirit was in the crapper with an impotent president presiding over the morass.

In 1980 the challenger communicated that the issue was grave and that government was not the answer, and the people responded and elected him in a landslide, recognizing the truth of that point of view.

In 2012 the challenger communicated that the issue was grave and that government was not the answer, and was thumped nationally. 

The difference, among many other things, is that in the intervening years there has grown up a generation that has been thoroughly convinced at all levels of education that government IS the answer, and who is so media dependent for their every thought that they could not possibly consider anything but the government/media line so that they rejected the clear truth of history and followed after the thoroughly indoctrinated lie.

Our country as we knew it (or think we did) is now officially gone.  Sodomite marriages are the sanctioned normalcy and will grow to be more normal.  The drug culture will be sanctioned.  Socialized medicine is a done deal.  The fracture between the producers and the covetous will only grow.  Over the next 50 years the United States, particularly in the cities, will degenerate more towards some sort of tribalism, socialism hybrid that will ruin any coherent governance "of the people, by the people, and for the people."   

This is not Johnny Raincloud-ism.  It is what is.  Let's just learn to deal with it.

 

[samspade]

I don't believe the focus is on who started or who even expanded it. The focus should be on who is getting the credit for it and who is the one that is being expected to continue to give away a free ride.

On the contrary. Romney played the nice guy. He could have been combative and wasn't. In fact, Obama was the one who was combative... the man who focused on the "untrue or irrelevant issues".

AND HE GOT ELECTED. Your logic fails.

Remember "Romnesia"? How about "liar" and the "one point" plan? How the president's talk of "revenge"?

Could you cite the "untrue or irrelevant issues" about Romney that Obama focused on that got him elected? The fact is that he was no more or less dishonest than Romney. What got him re-elected was the 1/3 in the middle that is neither democrat or republican. Those people are the ones who don't want to be associated with extremist arguments. And, given the fact that the general make-up of our government didn't change at all, those are the ones who seem to be pretty happy with the way things are. Otherwise we would have seen a different result yesterday.

Face it, the 1/3 in the middle don't want to see time wasted on arguing over birth certificates or college transcripts. They want to see politicians working to make their lives better. Obama did a better job of selling that message than Romney. It wasn't enough to not be Obama, because the middle doesn't see him as the disaster that the far right has painted him to be.