Were you taught Dispensationalism in Bible College or Seminary?

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On the 666, I was PMed by someone who attended Hyles Anderson about by interaction with Smellin Coffee.
They indicated that they were not taught Dispensationalism.

That seems so odd to me...how can a college training pastors not teach some basis for Biblical interpretation and eschatology? I would assume HA would be dispensational as opposed to Covenant.

What were you taught?
 
I was surprised as anything to learn Jacky-boy wasn't a Dispie. I always thought that went hand-in-hand with extreme fundyism.
 
I have not yet attended. But since I'm planning on going to Northwest University, which is an AG school, and since AG has historically been dispensationalist, I expect it will come up. Personally, I'm suspicious of it on the grounds that it's too new, having not really existed as a system until Darby put it together.
 
Ransom said:
I was surprised as anything to learn Jacky-boy wasn't a Dispie. I always thought that went hand-in-hand with extreme fundyism.
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I don't know Dr Hyles belief, but I was told that it was not taught at the college.
I wonder what they taught as far as eschatology and hermeneutics?

Are you covenant?
 
I don't know Dr Hyles belief, but I was told that it was not taught at the college.
I wonder what they taught as far as eschatology and hermeneutics?

Out of curiosity, was the Rapture ever taught at HAC or preached about in FBCH, during Jacky's tenure?

Are you covenant?

More so than I am Dispensationalist, but I have reservations about some aspects of classical covenant theology as well.
 
I attended HAC from 91-95, and although I did not have an entire class on dispensationalism I did get a smattering of it in Bill Grady's classes, and a larger helping of it the eschatology class I had with Jack Schaap. To be honest, it wasn't laid out well, and I had to teach it to myself with books from Dallas Theological Seminary after I began pastoring, but it was taught, in a fashion.

OTOH, Bro. Hyles strongly rejected hyper-dispensationalism, and so the majority of his comments that referenced dispensationalism did so in a negative light b/c of that aspect i.e. in countless sermons, 'I do not deny there is some dispensational teaching in the Bible but if you think a person got saved one way in the Old Testament and another way in the New Testament you don't have the sense to blow the fuzz off a peanut', etc. etc.
 
Tom Brennan said:
I attended HAC from 91-95, and although I did not have an entire class on dispensationalism I did get a smattering of it in Bill Grady's classes, and a larger helping of it the eschatology class I had with Jack Schaap. To be honest, it wasn't laid out well, and I had to teach it to myself with books from Dallas Theological Seminary after I began pastoring, but it was taught, in a fashion.

OTOH, Bro. Hyles strongly rejected hyper-dispensationalism, and so the majority of his comments that referenced dispensationalism did so in a negative light b/c of that aspect i.e. in countless sermons, 'I do not deny there is some dispensational teaching in the Bible but if you think a person got saved one way in the Old Testament and another way in the New Testament you don't have the sense to blow the fuzz off a peanut', etc. etc.
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Were you taught the pre trib rapture?
 
I was taught it only at seminary--Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary.
Bible College, Maranatha Baptist Bible College, in the 80s did not teach it, even though they were.
 
Were you taught the pre trib rapture?

yes ...required reading that I can recall included John R. Rice on Daniel/Revelation and Pentecost's 'Things to Come.' Of course, I was way to busy working 50 hours a week, going to school, and running a bus route to actually read those like I should have back then, but I have since and discovered just how good Pentecost is, IMHO. I've also grown to appreciate Ryrie and Walvoord, etc. as well.

 
Tarbaby:

Were you taught the pre trib rapture?

Tom:

yes ...required reading that I can recall included John R. Rice on Daniel/Revelation and Pentecost's 'Things to Come.'

Interesting. So Hyles was non-Dispensationalist but still taught the Rapture?

Did the inconsistency ever occur to anyone? (In Dispensational theology, the Rapture's raison d'
 
Ransom said:
Interesting. So Hyles was non-Dispensationalist but still taught the Rapture?

Did the inconsistency ever occur to anyone? (In Dispensational theology, the Rapture's raison d'
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He wasn't non-dispensational, rather he wasn't hyper-dispensational.

In that case, he was, er, somewhat "flexible" with his terms.  For example, his use of the terms "Dispensationalism," "hyper-Dispensationalism," and "ultra-Dispensationalism" in Enemies of Soul-Winning would seem to draw a distinction that is just barely there, if at all.
 
Ransom said:
He wasn't non-dispensational, rather he wasn't hyper-dispensational.

In that case, he was, er, somewhat "flexible" with his terms.  For example, his use of the terms "Dispensationalism," "hyper-Dispensationalism," and "ultra-Dispensationalism" in Enemies of Soul-Winning would seem to draw a distinction that is just barely there, if at all.
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I had forgotten about that book. The chapter you linked is a perfect example of what I am saying. He didn't like/agree with anything that he thought could be used as an excuse/justifier for not winning souls, or building a great work for the Lord. For instance, when I was in school in the early 90's, I had Grady in a class in which he taught the 7 churches of Rev 2/3 are church ages, and that since we are in the Laodicean age all we can do is hold fast/hang on. Bro. Hyles got wind of it and reamed him out about it repeatedly in sermons in church/chapel. OTOH, Bro. Hyles had studied his eschatology enough when he was a younger man that he formed an entire fellowship around the idea in the 40's/50's called the Texas Pre-Millenniall Baptist Fellowship. They would rent out the big meeting hall at Baylor and preach an entire week's worth of eschatological sermons there. He grew away from that as he got an older, and I have my opinions about why, but he still held to dispensationalism in its basic forms even if his college did a lousy job teaching it to us.
 
Tom Brennan said:
Ransom said:
He wasn't non-dispensational, rather he wasn't hyper-dispensational.

In that case, he was, er, somewhat "flexible" with his terms.  For example, his use of the terms "Dispensationalism," "hyper-Dispensationalism," and "ultra-Dispensationalism" in Enemies of Soul-Winning would seem to draw a distinction that is just barely there, if at all.
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I had forgotten about that book. The chapter you linked is a perfect example of what I am saying. He didn't like/agree with anything that he thought could be used as an excuse/justifier for not winning souls, or building a great work for the Lord. For instance, when I was in school in the early 90's, I had Grady in a class in which he taught the 7 churches of Rev 2/3 are church ages, and that since we are in the Laodicean age all we can do is hold fast/hang on. Bro. Hyles got wind of it and reamed him out about it repeatedly in sermons in church/chapel. OTOH, Bro. Hyles had studied his eschatology enough when he was a younger man that he formed an entire fellowship around the idea in the 40's/50's called the Texas Pre-Millenniall Baptist Fellowship. They would rent out the big meeting hall at Baylor and preach an entire week's worth of eschatological sermons there. He grew away from that as he got an older, and I have my opinions about why, but he still held to dispensationalism in its basic forms even if his college did a lousy job teaching it to us.
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I would assume that most Hyles Anderson grads would consider themselves dispensationalists.
But, a lack of understanding or misunderstanding of dispensationalism could cause great confusion about basic Bible doctrine.
I believe that is where Smellin Coffee's confusion comes in....
 
Ransom said:
That's the major one. Sure, there are discontinuities between the nation of Israel and the Church, but there are also continuities.  When Dispensationalism can read the prophets and completely fail to see the Church (despite the use of the Old Testament by the New Testament authors), something is fatally wrong with their hermeneutic.
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Yea, that sure is a mystery, isn't it?

:-*
 
Tom Brennan said:
Ransom said:
That's the major one. Sure, there are discontinuities between the nation of Israel and the Church, but there are also continuities.  When Dispensationalism can read the prophets and completely fail to see the Church (despite the use of the Old Testament by the New Testament authors), something is fatally wrong with their hermeneutic.
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Yea, that sure is a mystery, isn't it?

:-*
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Pun intended, I assume.... :)
 
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