Welsey Huff and Joe Rogan

[Bob Jones VI]

If you've been under a rock, you have not heard of the Joe Rogan Podcast episode where Canadian Evangelist Welsey Huff Presented the Gospel in a seriously mind blowing public way. Joe Rogan is the most listened to Podcast in America,, and Joe is not a believer. He has historically bashed Christians and Christianity. However this time, he listened and asked questions.

What is your take on this?

If you have not seen it, look here:
https://x.com/GatorKush963/status/1877532774606754111?t=mig72ycjDmyHj8Vp7T620Q&s=19

 

[abcaines]

I have heard snippets of Joe Rogan and even this former sailor is somewhat taken aback by his foul language.

 

[Bruh]

Ive listened to Joe Rogan every week for the past 8 years. At one time he used to bash Christianity but does not anymore. As far as I can tell, he believes there is something out there that created us but isn’t sure what it is. He believes that Christian principles are a good thing to live by. I could be wrong but he definitely doesn’t have the animosity towards Christianity as he did at one time. Without knowing him personally, he definitely seems to be evolving in his outlook about Christianity.

Wes Huff is my new favorite guy! I absolutely love this guy! He did a great job at articulating the gospel and I was thrilled that he was on such a huge platform as the Joe Rogan Experience. Joe was definitely faced with the gospel, maybe for the first time.

I’ve looked Wes Huff up on other podcasts and look forward to learning from this man.

Also, Wes has a great demeanor about himself and doesn’t come across judgmental in any way.

 

[Starlifter]

I have heard snippets of Joe Rogan and even this former sailor is somewhat taken aback by his foul language.

Unfortunately, that kind of language has become too commonplace in our society today. It's constant 'trash talk'. Hopefully Joe will get saved and the Holy Spirit will do His convicting work in Joe's heart.

 

[Ekklesian]

What is your take on this?

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Wes:​

There is an ancient writer who mocks Christianity, and he particularly mocks Christianity in saying that, of course, Jesus did miracles, because Jesus had a childhood in Egypt, and he goes, all those Egyptians are magicians. Anyways, so he just learned the magic when he was a child. So he actually confirms, incidentally, two things that the narrative in the Gospel is where it says that the Holy Family fled to Egypt during the reign of Herod. He corroborates that he actually thinks that happened and that Jesus did miracles. He just attributes the miracles to Jesus being a traveling magician anyway, is it? You know, anybody who lived in Egypt knows some magic.​

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Joe:​

That is what's really fascinating, that the mindset of the people that lived back then was that whatever was going on in Egypt was so crazy they had to be magicians.​

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Wes:​

Yeah, yeah. But everybody believed in supernatural events. Like, there's no such thing as, like, a secular work in the ancient world. Even Plutarch, who's one of the most famous biographers in the ancient world, he wrote 90 biographies, of which 60 still survive today. He was a priest of Apollo, so, like, he's already assuming that the gods exist, that crazy things are going to happen in the world, and so they didn't have a problem with people doing miracles or crazy things happening or​

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Joe:​

Well, that's also why it's so interesting trying to put your mind into the context of people that live back then when you try to interpret what these stories were all about, because they did believe in things that weren't real. So when they talk about this thing that we're supposed to believe is real, when you have all this evidence that they believe things that aren't true, yeah, it's interesting, right? Because, like you're now saying, Yeah, but this one really was true, right? Well, there's so many different things that they thought of and believed that weren't true.​

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Tonight after work I need to look up the reply to this. I assert that the things they saw before the binding of Satan were real, like the magicians who turned their staffs into serpents, and the prophets of Baal, who clearly expected fire from heaven.

A little plug for Amillennialism there.

 

[Ekklesian]

I found the full podcast.

He basically assents to Rogan's premise, later on drawing a contrast between the polytheism of the pagans and the monotheism of Christianity, saying that the Christian message was basically that your gods aren't real, and if they are real, then they're demons, but they aren't real.

That's a revealing statement. The premise is that supernatural demonic manifestations were just as rare in the days before Christ as they are now.

It is also an unconcious assent to a basic premise of Darwinism, that human intelligence is growing and developing, and that widespread belief in the supernatural was really a product of a lower I.Q., if you will.

Knowledge has grown. That is true. Knowledge has grown exponentially since a Christian world view became the defacto doctrine of the world, or Western Civilization, which really ruled the A.D. world.

But human intelligence remains what it has always been, because the mind is an immaterial thing, essentially. If we transported a pagan slave from ancient Egypt to a modern classroom, he would have no problem understanding the concepts of quantum physics, if trained in them, than anyone else who studies them now. The Egyptians had magnets. They didn't think there were little gods inside of them.

However, there's something that you could never convince him of, and that would be that he didn't really see the things that he saw, the wonders performed by the priests of whatever deity, or demon rather, who was claiming to be a god of that nation. You could never convince him that the supernatural wasn't real.

I was told in school, when getting into the unit on Greek and Roman mythology, that the myths were actually an attempt to explain certain things that were beyond their scientific development of the time, like weather. "Lightning is the spears of a god that lives in the clouds."

What bunk. And who would believe such a thing anyway? And even if you could find a child or a pygmy somewhere that would just accept it, how could you convince an entire nation? And developed nations at that, that had institutions of law, education, and science?

No nation just made up their mythology. Their mythology came to them. It was the Devil's way deceiving the nations, just as the 'man of sin' will be able to deceive the nations with 'lying wonders' when 'he that letteth' is taken out of the way.

Israel's monotheism wasn't saying the gods of the nations weren't real supernatural entities. Baal was real. That's not to say his idol was supernatural. It wasn't. It was a manmade image of Baal. But Baal was real. Israel's monotheism simply said that the gods of the other nations were not God. Yahweh was revealed to the nations as El Elyon, the Most High God, which became painfully evident to Eygpt and Canaan.

I think that's important to understand. Rogan's premise, that the ancients were all believing in things that didn't really happen, is a fallacious premise. Now it is true that all these things happened to convince the nations to believe a lie, and God permitted it. He permitted the Amonites to be convinced that burning their infants alive to Molech would bring them blessings. In one place, we're told that God sent a lying spirit to convince Ahab to go into battle where he could be killed.

Even though the people believed lies, the deceptive wonders performed to convince them were real enough. I think it's important to understand also, that this kind of thing was much more widespread and spectacular prior to the Gospel age. I'm not saying it was commonplace, but it was evidently not as rare as these kinds of things are at the present time. But the day is coming, when it will be more commonplace again.

Wes had a reasonable answer though, when he talked about the 'liklihood' of something happening when examining the nature of the evidence.