Thoughts to ponder

[Mitex]

The Scriptures are the anthology of Canonical books recognized by a consensus of born again Spirit filled believers in any language or generation as the very word of God in written form - given by inspiration of God, true in all its parts, perfect, pure, inerrant, infallible, etc. and the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. The Scriptures are preserved in the form that God wants every generation and language group to have.

There is one Bible, the Scriptures, it has come to us in multiple languages, versions and editions. The Standard version/edition in any language or generation always takes precedence over sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/editions. This is not to say that sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/edition have no validity, but it does say that the Standard version/edition recognized by a consensus of Spirit filled believers takes precedence where any difference in text presents a discrepancy. 

Things different can indeed be the same, this should never be construed to mean that all things different are the same.

 

[Ransom]

So the NASB then. Awesome!

 

[bgwilkinson]

So are you saying that a sectarian version such as an Anglican version would be subjugated to a version such as the Lockman Foundation's NASB?

 

[Twisted]

The Scriptures are the anthology of Canonical books recognized by a consensus of born again Spirit filled believers in any language or generation as the very word of God in written form - given by inspiration of God, true in all its parts, perfect, pure, inerrant, infallible, etc. and the final authority in all matters of faith and practice. The Scriptures are preserved in the form that God wants every generation and language group to have.

There is one Bible, the Scriptures, it has come to us in multiple languages, versions and editions. The Standard version/edition in any language or generation always takes precedence over sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/editions. This is not to say that sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/edition have no validity, but it does say that the Standard version/edition recognized by a consensus of Spirit filled believers takes precedence where any difference in text presents a discrepancy. 

Things different can indeed be the same, this should never be construed to mean that all things are different are the same.

Cute, but na?ve.  Hardly anyone considers any "Bible" to be the same as the Holy Scriptures.  That distinction belongs to only "the originals".

There.  I pondered it.

 

[FSSL]

Welcome back, Mitex...

Doesn't your OP argue against your efforts in the Polish Bible project? There is already a commonly accepted Polish Bible.

 

[Mitex]

Hardly anyone considers any "Bible" to be the same as the Holy Scriptures.  That distinction belongs to only "the originals".

Talk about naivet?. The term "the Bible" is defined as: 
1a. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testament.
1b. A copy of the Scriptures.
1c.  A particular edition, or a copy of the Scriptures.

You are mistaken, the distinction "the Bible" most certainly does not belong only to "the originals". The Scriptures have never been limited to the autograph, original language manuscripts or compilations of original language manuscripts.

But thanks for pondering the O.P.

 

[Mitex]

So the NASB then. Awesome!

The NASB is a somewhat literal translation (formal equivalent) of the Critical Text. It is indeed preferred by many Fundamental conservatives, however, it never became the universal standard among born again Spirit filled Christians in the English speaking Church of God. If current trends in units sales are any indication of the future state of the NASB it appears that the NASB will go the way of it's predecessor the ASV relegated to seminaries and the shelves of Bible collectors.

 

[Mitex]

So are you saying that a sectarian version such as an Anglican version would be subjugated to a version such as the Lockman Foundation's NASB?

Anglican version? Do you mean the English Authorized Version? The English Authorized Version, despite being translated by Anglicans, became the universally accepted Standard in the English speaking Church of God. It became the Bible across all denominational lines in the English speaking Church of God, becoming the Standard English Bible even in denominations diametrical apposed to Anglican church polity and traditions.

The NASB, a well translated version of the Critical Text, never became the universal Standard among born again Spirit filled members of the Church of God, this despite the fact of having "Standard" stamped on it's front cover.

 

[Mitex]

Welcome back, Mitex...

Doesn't your OP argue against your efforts in the Polish Bible project? There is already a commonly accepted Polish Bible.

In answer to your question, no. Yes, there is a commonly accepted Polish Bible in Poland recognized  by the Polish Church of God as their Standard in Polish. However, it has become hopelessly archaic and in need of an linguistic update in which we are endeavoring to do.

Your question implies that the Scriptures can never be updated or translated once a Standard has been established. I don't hold such a position.

 

[FSSL]

In answer to your question, no. Yes, there is a commonly accepted Polish Bible in Poland recognized  by the Polish Church of God as their Standard in Polish. However, it has become hopelessly archaic and in need of an linguistic update in which we are endeavoring to do.

Your question implies that the Scriptures can never be updated or translated once a Standard has been established. I don't hold such a position.

Nope. My question revolves around this: "The Standard version/edition in any language or generation always takes precedence over sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/editions."

Why would an Old Gdansk "take precedence over" your work?

I am pleased to see that efforts are being made to update Scripture into the "plowman's verbiage." Your work has the SAME authority as the Old Gdansk. So, why would the Old Gdansk take precedence over your work?

The statement in the OP minimizes the updating work and makes it appear as if preferred versions are LESS God's Word.

 

[Mitex]

In answer to your question, no. Yes, there is a commonly accepted Polish Bible in Poland recognized  by the Polish Church of God as their Standard in Polish. However, it has become hopelessly archaic and in need of an linguistic update in which we are endeavoring to do.

Your question implies that the Scriptures can never be updated or translated once a Standard has been established. I don't hold such a position.

Nope. My question revolves around this: "The Standard version/edition in any language or generation always takes precedence over sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/editions."

Why would an Old Gdansk "take precedence over" your work?...So, why would the Old Gdansk take precedence over your work?

Because the old Gdansk has established authority - it has been received, believed, read, used, memorized, preached, taught, lived, etc. Our version has not been established as the authority.

The statement in the OP minimizes the updating work and makes it appear as if preferred versions are LESS God's Word.

The autograph (no longer extant) is not "less God's Word", but it is not our Standard. The Scriptures are profitable for doctrine that excludes non-extant versions as our authority without impugning their character.  Perhaps a more careful reading of the last lines in the O.P. is in order:

"This is not to say that sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions/edition have no validity, but it does say that the Standard version/edition recognized as such by a consensus of Spirit filled believers takes precedence where any difference in text presents a discrepancy."

 

[FSSL]

I have difficulty with your theology regarding "authority." Authority is established by God. Recognized by the people, but nevertheless established by God. That means, the Old Gdansk is just as authoritative as your work.

There is no "precedence of authority" among translations.

The Greek and Hebrew mss have the same authority as the Old Gdansk. When you start using the word "authority" in this fashion, you undermine it as God's Word. It smacks of a Roman Catholic imprimatur standard.

 

[Mitex]

God does not, cannot righteously, demand any believer in any generation or language to read, search, or believe a non-extant autograph, copy or version. Non-extant autographs, copies or versions have no authority. By the mouth of two or three witnesses is every word established and the saints of God establish the law of God by their faith. The recognition of the Canon by a consensus of born again Spirit filled believers establishes God's authority for the Church of God. That consensus agreement takes precedent over sectarian opinion, peculiar opinions, private opinions or individually preferred opinions. Of course our work is the word of God insofar it agrees with the established Standard; where any difference in text presents a genuine discrepancy the Standard version takes precedence. Surely, you understand this. Where all versions agree authority is established; doubt and uncertainty is removed.

 

[Ransom]

It is indeed preferred by many Fundamental conservatives, however, it never became the universal standard among born again Spirit filled Christians in the English speaking Church of God.

If some Fundamentalist conservatives prefer the NASB, then the Blessed Virgin KJV isn't the "universal standard."

And *poof* Mitex refutes his own "consensus" theory.

 

[prophet]

It is indeed preferred by many Fundamental conservatives, however, it never became the universal standard among born again Spirit filled Christians in the English speaking Church of God.

If some Fundamentalist conservatives prefer the NASB, then the Blessed Virgin KJV isn't the "universal standard."

And *poof* Mitex refutes his own "consensus" theory.

The KJV already held universal acceptance prior to the NASB's inception.

The NASB has never been universally accepted.


Since you apparently struggle with logic at times.

earnestly contend

 

[Ransom]

The KJV already held universal acceptance prior to the NASB's inception.

And now it doesn't so apparently its licence has been revoked.

 

[Mitex]

Once the Scripture have been established by God through the faith of God's elect to be the Scriptures no amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that which has been previously established. The word of God was confirmed by signs. No amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that confirmation.

Mr 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Apparently Barry would have the Reader to believe that sectarian versions take precedence or have equal authority with Standard versions recognized as such by a consensus of born again Spirit filled believers. Apparently, he would also have the Reader to believe that peculiar, private and individually preferred versions take precedent or have equal authority as Standard versions recognized as such by a consensus of born again Spirit filled believers. I don't hold such a position. I believe Standard versions/editions always take precedent over sectarian, peculiar, private or individually preferred versions or editions.

 

[Twisted]

Once the Scripture have been established by God through the faith of God's elect to be the Scriptures no amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that which has been previously established. The word of God was confirmed by signs. No amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that confirmation.

Mr 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

You do realize that none of the NT was written at the time of Mark 16?

 

[Mitex]

Once the Scripture have been established by God through the faith of God's elect to be the Scriptures no amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that which has been previously established. The word of God was confirmed by signs. No amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that confirmation.

Mr 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

You do realize that none of the NT was written at the time of Mark 16?

I don't know about "none", but I'll agree for argument's sake. What's your point? The word of God both in the Old Testament and the New Testament was confirmed  by signs (Ex 4, Mk 16:20, Acts, etc.).

 

[Twisted]

Once the Scripture have been established by God through the faith of God's elect to be the Scriptures no amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that which has been previously established. The word of God was confirmed by signs. No amount of apostasy or unbelief can undo that confirmation.

Mr 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

You do realize that none of the NT was written at the time of Mark 16?

I don't know about "none", but I'll agree for argument's sake. What's your point? The word of God both in the Old Testament and the New Testament was confirmed  by signs (Ex 4, Mk 16:20, Acts, etc.).

Wow.  Well, when you learn about when the NT was written, then come back and post again.  And the Jews sought after signs.  Gentiles do not.